Heroes

[*Ewan*]

Who are peoples heroes form history? I guess i'd say mine was probably che guevara all though i admire a lot of reolvutionaries and various hisrotical figures.

[MikeE]

People's heros?
Well, Solon "started" Athenian democracy.

Or you might consider the Black Death which left the (European) population low enough that the common worker was hard to replace and therefore more valuable.

And of course there is/was Joe Hill.

[icedteapriestess]

Louis Riel. He was an amazing man who was hung for commiting treason against the Canadian government, all the professing not to be a Canadian citizen.

[Quest_techie]

alan turing

[Acorn]

Ceasar Chavez. no one ever knows who he is and he never gets any credit. he helped to give farm workers rights in the 50's and 60's though non-violence.

[MikeE]

Ceasar Chavez. no one ever knows who he is and he never gets any credit. Here in California, there is a state holiday for him. Ceasar Chavez Elementry School is 1/2 mile from where I am now.

Did Chavez have much impact on farm labour outside of California?

[*Ewan*]

he sounds like a good socialist hero, no wonder no ones knows him.

[Acorn]

Here in California, there is a state holiday for him. Ceasar Chavez Elementry School is 1/2 mile from where I am now.

Did Chavez have much impact on farm labour outside of California?
does anyone make a big deal about the holiday? i heard about it but i figured it was just kinda ignored like secretarys day or somthing. i not sure about his impact though out the united states. i know the boycotts reached outside CA, i think the laws and all that did too.

[JanaXGIRL]

my hero is Mr. Václav Havel, the man, who was a leader of people who broke a communist régime in our country in 1989.. then he became a president..

[MikeE]

does anyone make a big deal about the holiday? i heard about it but i figured it was just kinda ignored like secretarys day or somthing. i not sure about his impact though out the united states. i know the boycotts reached outside CA, i think the laws and all that did too.

Well, its a paid holiday for state workers. People regard it about as important as MLK day, people get the day off, but stores don't have special sales.

[samson]

Bob Marley, directly using your music to influence politics to benefit the common man, what better plan could there be?

Hatshepsut, my fave female pharoh, and one of the first female world leaders

Bennet Cerf, one of the 1950-60s coolest world-wise men

Fleet Walker, the first african american in the major leagues

[*Ewan*]

my hero is Mr. Václav Havel, the man, who was a leader of people who broke a communist régime in our country in 1989.. then he became a president..
yeh, he is a hero. I wouldn't reguard the soviet reigieme as communist, but that man did liberate your country, and bloodlessly as well.

[Megara]

um, martin luther king, jfk, abraham lincoln, washington, alexander the great, julius caesar, augustus, neil armstrong...the wright brothers...i could go on forever i think ;)

[*Ewan*]

eh why julius ceaser? He was a brutal murderer.

[Megara]

eh why julius ceaser? He was a brutal murderer.
he was brilliant. Was he a murderer? yep, probably a racist, misogynist, and every other nasty ist too. That doesn't mean he is without admirable traits though.

we can knock down every hero if we want to. I dont see the point in it.

[Mr. Slyman]

My main hero is the dude that invented the "honey bear" honey container. Thank you sir for helping us poor smokers.

[DharmaBum]

The 300 Spartan's who held a Persian army of 100,000 for 3 day's ,Long enough for the Greek's to mobilise an army , defeat the Persian's ,and save Western Civilisation in it's infancy...Gotta love the greeks!

[Megara]

you'd have to include the athenians who fought at marathon then too..

but yeah...leonidas rocks. "stranger, go tell the spartans that we lie here obedient to their laws."

[Fjolnirsson]

-Leonidas the spartan, mentioned above
-Ivan the Boneless and Halfdan Ubba, who avenged the death of their father at the hands of the English, by conquering East Anglia in 865 C.E. and sacrificing the English king to Wotan.
-The Founding Fathers of the U.S.A.
-John Moses Browning
-Jelly Bryce (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/957612/posts)
-Bill Tilghman, last of the great frontier marshalls. If only more cops were like him.....
-Congressman Ron Paul, perhaps the only honest man in Congress.

[Laura-the-flowergirl]

Sara Teasdale, Lenin, Tori Amos, Marc Wilmots, The Libertines (though I'm not so naieve that I would deny Pete Doherty has become a total waster now), and I probably forget some.

[Megara]

arguably all history.

[The Sad Knight]

Who are peoples heroes form history? I guess i'd say mine was probably che guevara all though i admire a lot of reolvutionaries and various hisrotical figures.
I am delighted from the Bulgarion revolutionist VASIL LEVSKI. He lived in XIX century and he died for the liberation of the Bulgarian people from the yoke of the Turkish empire.
I believe he is among the most heroic and worthy men in the human history.

[underground04]

leonidas of sparta
solon of athens
brian boru
george washington
thomas jefferson
sam&john adams
ben franklin
teddy roosevelt
michael collins
mlk jr
malcom x

[jermoneo1]

Oops, maybe I should have checked out these topics before I started a new thread.

[hailtothekingbaby]

The indigenous nations of the Americas. The 'Indians' have been suffering oppression, theft of millions of acres of land, active attempts at replacement of their culture by ours, an actual ban on performing any of their traditions, deportations, millions of deaths from imported diseases, and the annihilation (approved by the US and Canadian governments) of complete tribes, including women and children, at the hands of the Europeans for hundreds of years. This continued well into the twentieth century. Even now the average life duration of the indigenous people is 20 years lower than that of anglosaxons. They have a 500 (five hundred) percent greater chance to die of diabetes, and for most other illnesses this chance lies at fifty to two hundred percent. But, and that's heroism, they have never truly given up their beliefs, their pride, their hope, no matter how hard and how cruelly the white invaders tried to break it.

Go fuck your founding fathers.

[Fjolnirsson]

Go fuck your founding fathers. Ah, yes. That's lovely......:rolleyes:

There have been acts of barbarism, deceit and treachery from nearly every culture throughout history. To single one particular group of men out as being responsible for 200 years of lies and deceit strikes me as a bit far reaching.
The indigenous people of the Americas, in general, have been given a raw deal, that's certain. However, they were quite capable of their own atrocities against the white man, as well as their own people.
It's true that the government of this country has strayed far from the ideals set forth by the fathers, and in fact, the Republic is uttering its last gasps, I'm fairly certain. However, this world would be a far different(and I believe, worse) place, without the ideas and innovations brought forth by the American people.

Hmm, not at all what I started out to say, as usual. Shouldn't have strayed so far from the topic at hand.
Well, back on topic.
Heroes. The native people who stood and were massacred at Wounded Knee.

[Communism]

Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna

[raven23]

I think a point to be taken from hailtothekings post is that, IMHO anyway, heroes are less likely to be found in so-called leaders like jefferson, Havel, or even MLK, etc, then they are humble unnamed people who have taken the brunt of the brutality dished out by the ruling class and still managed to raise familys, grow the worlds food, build the peoples houses, did their ditches, etc. People who live humble lives of integrity, teach their children right livelihood and all the while support the rest of us on their backs, those are heroes.
Not to dispute all the usual lefty heroes, but for me, I am not aspiring to the level of public persona that Che, MLK, Franklin, etc have reached. They are a wealth of lessons for people in that line of work, but for me a hero is someone who faces similar challenges to my own and provides a stellar example for me that I can personally benefit from

[*Ewan*]

Yeh, that's very true. The real founders of any civilization are the slaves, the workers. And any organization is built upon its rank and file members. However an individual can be a major factor in an event, he/she cannot though be the subjective factor.

[underground04]

The indigenous nations of the Americas. The 'Indians' have been suffering oppression, theft of millions of acres of land, active attempts at replacement of their culture by ours, an actual ban on performing any of their traditions, deportations, millions of deaths from imported diseases, and the annihilation (approved by the US and Canadian governments) of complete tribes, including women and children, at the hands of the Europeans for hundreds of years. This continued well into the twentieth century. Even now the average life duration of the indigenous people is 20 years lower than that of anglosaxons. They have a 500 (five hundred) percent greater chance to die of diabetes, and for most other illnesses this chance lies at fifty to two hundred percent. But, and that's heroism, they have never truly given up their beliefs, their pride, their hope, no matter how hard and how cruelly the white invaders tried to break it.

Go fuck your founding fathers.a few things...

first i am not anglo saxon, my ancestory is mostly celtic with some german/french/dutch. and i am in no way decended from angles jutes saxons or any other germanic invaders of britan.

second, the founding fathers were incredible men with great intelligence, strength and idealism. while the country they founded has committed countless crimes (just like all governments do) the ideals upon which they founded that country were good.

[heron]

Sorry, when the "white man" was oppressing the "indians", my ancestors
were watching their culture die at the hands of the english, and sadly watched
their ancient ways become outlawed and demonized.

Our dress, our language and our ways were all made criminal by the
English, and the fall of the clan system forced thousands and thousands
into diaspora to America and Australia.

So don't point at me when you defend the poor peaceful tree-hugging indian,
because the argument is cliche and is straight out of the "things the bad white man
has done" book.

It was the same people who fucked the Scots, the Irish, the Aboriginal Australians, and the Native Americans, you can blame the Spanish, the English and the French, oddly, the people who were most affected by the Romans, another culture killing monster.

[alex714]

i'm too critical to have any historic figure as a "hero"

[Blueriver]

Bobby Zimmerman

[WanderingturnupII]

My favorite medieval hippie, St Feancis of Assisi.

No, I'm not Catholic.

[Lennons_Lover]

HHHmmmmm i would definetly have to say John Lennon! He was awesome!

and im sorry if john lennon wasn't under the catagory of history....but he is my hero!

[dedhead95]

Aaron Burr...he was the biggest badd-ass ever