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02-20-2012, 08:40 PM Old
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Indian people simply love music..soo do I..
ask any Indian about Lata Mangeskhar..an old lady now..
but still sings like a nightingale...her sister sings as well..
Asha Bosle,futhermore Mukesh,Kishore Kumar,Mohammed Rafi..
one great ghazal singer is Talat Mahmood..
just put some incense in your room..:H
and get sentimental with this golden voice..
click audio in the link..then download a song..
it's in Hindi.I understand a shit of it...:&
mostly ghazals are very sentimal songs..
Indians start crying when they listen..
because they understand the texts..
what a luck we don't...


P.S..these songs are very old..
let me know whether you like them??
will try to put a link on ghazal..

It may suprise many of you, especially those who know the ghazal in its relatively new English form, that it is very much well and alive in the mainstream of Indian and Pakistani culture. Properly speaking, ghazal denotes a poetic genre, though in India and Pakistan today, the term commonly also implies the musical form in which it is rendered. As a lyric genre, the ghazal has its roots in classical Arabic poetry. Ghazal is an Arabic word which literally means talking to women. It grew from the Persian qasida, which verse form had come to Iran from Arabia around the 10th century A.D..The qasida was a eulogy written in praise of the emperor or his noblemen. The part of the qasida called tashbib got detached and developed in due course of time into the ghazal. Whereas the qasida sometimes ran into as many as 100 couplets or more in monorhyme, the ghazal seldom exceeded twelve, and settled down to an average of seven.

The ghazal always opens with a rhyming couplet called matla. The rhyme of the opening couplet is repeated at the end of second line in each succeeding verse, so that the rhyming pattern may be represented as aa,ba,ca,da etc., and so on. In addition to the restriction of rhyme, the ghazal also observes the convention of radif. Radif demands that a portion of the first line , comprising not more than two or three words, immediately preceding the rhyme-word at the end, should rhyme with its counterpart in the second line of the opening couplet, and afterwards alternately throughout the poem. The opening couplet of the ghazal is always a representative couplet: it sets the mood and tone of the poem and prepares us for its proper appreciation. The last couplet of the ghazal called makta often includes the pen-name of the poet, and is more personal than general in its tone and intent. Here the poet may express his own state of mind, or describe his religious faith, or pray for his beloved, or indulge in poetic self-praise.

The couplets are united only by meter and rhyme, rather than by content; thus each couplet is intended to constitute a discrete entity - like a pearl in a necklace or a flower in a garland, to use familiar metaphors. The different couplets of the ghazal are not bound by unity and consistency of thought. Each couplet is a self-sufficient unit, detachable and quotable, generally containing the complete expression of an idea.

Because of its comparative brevity and concentration, its thematic variety and rich suggestiveness, the ghazal soon eclipsed the qasida and became the most popular form of poetry in Iran. It was cultivated with great zeal by the Persians, and became the single most important genre of Persian literature. Reaching a classical zenith in the works of Sadi and Hafiz, the Persian ghazal acquired formal and athestic characteristics which persist to this day, in the ghazal as cultivated in other languages as well.

These features include a set of closely related themes: unrequited love, mystical devotion, philosophical rumination, ridicule of religious orthodoxy, symbolic celebration of madness and intoxication, and a sort of self-abnegating, sometimes masochistic immersion in the pangs of longing and frustration. The reliance on these set themes, together with the usage of a set of standardised symbols and metaphors, compensates for the fragmentary nature of the ghazal as a poem, and facilitates epigrammatic condensation for which, among other things, individual couplets are prized.

Some poets including Hasrat, Iqbal and Josh have written ghazals in the style of a nazm, based on a single theme, properly developed and concluded. But such ghazals are an exception rather than a rule, and the traditional ghazal still holds sway. However, it is not uncommon to find, even amongst the works of classical poets, ghazals exhibiting continuity of theme or, more often, a set of verses connected in theme and thought. Such a thematic group is called a qita, and is presumably resorted to when a poet is confronted with an elaborate thought difficult to be condensed in a single verse. Although the ghazal deals with the whole spectrum of human experience, its central concern is love. The ghazal came to India with the advent and extension of the Muslim influence from the 12th century onwards. The Moghuls brought with them Iranian culture and civilization, including Iranian poetry and literature. By the 18th century, when Persian gave way to Urdu as the language of poetry and culture in India, the ghazal found its opportunity to grow and develop.

The Urdu ghazal still adhered largely to the form, imagery, and content of its ancestor. Evidence suggests that the ghazal as musical genre has thrived for several centuries in North India. Ghazal could be chanted in a semi-melodic tarannum style by poets at poetry readings, or it could be used as a text for Muslim devotional qawwali performed by professional groups in shrines. Most commonly and importantly, however, ghazal was performed by courtesans and other trained vocalists as a genteel light-classical music style, which stressed interpretive melodic improvisation--bol banao--on the nonrhyming, first line of each couplet. Classical rags (modes) and accompanying instruments (tabla drum-pair, sarangi fiddle) were used, and a sophisticated aesthetic developed which evaluated ghazal songs on the basis of the poetry itself, the precomposed tune used for refrains (especially of the rhyming lines), and, above all, the singer's skillful, improvised bol banao.

Ghazal as a musical genre became particularly popular in the nineteenth century, when a proto-capitalist, incipient bourgeoisie began to replace the declining feudal Mughal nobility as patrons of the fine arts. In the first half of the twentieth century, the light-classical ghazal continued to enjoy popular appeal among music aficionados and middle-class enthusiasts, although it was to some extent stigmatized by its association with the declining courtesan culture. On the whole, however, the light-classical ghazal successfully effected the transition from court and courtesan salon to the public concert hall, and from feudal to bourgeoisie patronage.

The ghazal's popularity was aided by the advent of the recording industry in India in 1901. From the very start, ghazals constituted a significant part, and perhaps a plurality of commercial recordings, largely because ghazal was the most popular music genre in Urdu, the lingua franca of North India. The recording industry naturally promoted ghazal as one of the few genres with a pan-regional, potentially mass common-denominator market, unlike, for example, classical music or regional folkstyles. With the advent of sound cinema, ghazals came to account for a large portion of the music of Hindi cinema, especially in the early decades. In the process of being transformed into a commercially popular music with mass appeal, however, the film ghazal underwent predictable changes which brought it stylistically in line with mainstream film music as a whole. Thus the improvisatory bol banao was eliminated, so that the genre became, essentially, a precomposed song, accompanied, like most film music, by varied ensembles of Western and Indian instruments.

The film ghazal, as popularized by Talat Mahmood, Lata Mangeshkar, and others, retained some of the exotic and romantic associations of the courtesan world and of Urdu verse in general, while aiming at a contemporary and less sophisticated audience. The Urdu lyrics cohered well with the diction of so-called Hindi films, most which were in fact in Urdu, in accordance with that language's "sweet" and romantic ethos, as opposed to standard Hindi, which is perceived as a more utilitarian tongue. Meanwhile, throughout the 1960s, the light-classical ghazal, particularly as sung by Begum Akhtar, continued to enjoy a stable, if limited degree of popularity among connoisseurs of classical music and Urdu poetry.

By the early 1970s the film ghazal, although still relatively common, was undergoing a marked decline. Aside from the retirement of Talat Mahmood in 1970, a primary factor was the reorientation of film music in general, toward fast, rhythmic songs influenced by Western rock and disco, in place of the traditional melodic, sentimental styles like ghazal.

Another cause was the increasing trend toward action-oriented masala (lit. spice) films, rather than sentimental melodramas and costume-drama mythologicals. Although the ghazal's versatile formal structure could conceivably have been adapted even to disco styles, the genre has remained too closely associated with its traditional subject matter of broken hearts, weepy lovers, and the stylized refinement of Urdu culture in general. The other development that contributed to the gradual eclipse of the ghazal, in both its film and light-classical styles has been the marked decline of the Urdu language in India, with Independence in 1947 and the subsequent partition of India and Pakistan.

The decline of the ghazal, in both its commercial film and light-classical varieties, was an inevitable concomitant. Nevertheless, by the mid-1970s, certain broad social, aesthetic, and technological developments had emerged which paved the way for the revival of a modernized form of the ghazal. As we have noted, the action-oriented masala films, while satisfying cinema audiences, took film music in a direction contrary to the tastes of the many middle-class listeners, who continued to prefer tuneful, sentimental crooning to the disco-influenced modern film music. One may hypothesize that as the consumerist urban bourgeoisie grew in strength, numbers, and self-identity, a demand arose for a music which reflected its own self-image and aesthetic values. Such a music would have to be more genteel than the raucous and lowest-common-denominator film music, and yet it needed to be simpler and more accessible than classical music, constituting, in Birmingham School terms, a "rearticulation" of the elite semi classical ghazal. As more middle class consumers were able to afford phonographs, the potential began to emerge for a new pan-regional popular music which could be, for the first time, independent of films. A modernized, simplified pop ghazal was the ideal genre for such an audience, and it correspondingly began to flourish as such around 1977.

In order to achieve a genuinely mass audience, however, it required a mass medium which was cheaper and more accessible than records, and yet still distinct from cinema. The spread of cassette players among the upper and middle classes in the late 1970s provided the essential catalyst for the flowering of the modern ghazal as the first pan-regional commercial genre to challenge the dominance of film music and its coterie of stars and producers.

The modern ghazal, as befits the composition and tastes of its audience, retains a distinctly aristocratic, courtly image (or, one might say, pretension). Singers appear on stage and on cassette covers dressed in fine Muslim-style kurtas and sherwanis. Cassettes often feature canned (artificially inserted) exclamations of "wah wah!" (bravo!) intended to suggest the ambiance of the genteel courtesan salon ormusha'ra (poetry reading). In the use of tabla (as opposed to bongos, or folk barrel drum), occasional tame improvisations, ghazal form, and the Urdu language itself, the modern ghazal retains some of the mannerisms, if not the substantive content, of the traditional light-classical ghazal enjoyed by the Urdu-speaking nobility of previous generations. Thus the entire identity and core audience of the modern ghazal are quite distinct from those of the mainstream film song. Journalistic critics, for their part, are quick to deplore the occasional presence of film elements in the contemporary ghazal, such as the usage of borrowed film melodies. At the same time, the modern ghazal is clearly more accessible, in style, diction, and patterns of dissemination, than was its highbrow predecessor, the audience of which consisted primarily (though not exclusively) of aristocrats steeped in refined Urdu culture. Thus, for example, whereas the aesthetic substance of the light-classical ghazal was the process of textual-melodic improvisation (bol banao), cassettes of modern ghazals are aimed at musically less-educated consumers who expect lyrical, fixed tunes.

The absence of improvisation renders the modern ghazal fundamentally different in aesthetic content and import from its light-classical antecedent, and more akin to a git (geet)--literally "song," but, implicitly, a precomposed commercial song. Journalist critics tend to disparage this development, as in the following excerpt from a concert review: Gone are the days of the expansive, free ghazal. Its difference from the circumscribed and hide-bound geet is fast obliterated. Vocalist Sonali Jalota is one of the few singers to openly acknowledge this development, such that in concert she invariably announces such songs gitnuma-ghazal (git-style ghazal). Modern vocalists, like their predecessors, tend to sing the works of contemporary poets as well as old favorites by past masters. Rather than indicating a decline, the preference for contemporary verses, even if often inferior to the classics, can be regarded as an indication of the continued vitality and evolution of the ghazal as poetry. As has often been observed, mediocre poems may make effective song texts, just as much great poetry lends itself poorly to musical rendering.

Nevertheless, aficionados of Urdu verse tend to regard the majority of verse sung by modern singers as markedly inferior when judged by past standards. While traditional themes, metaphors, and imagery are retained, many modern ghazals seem more sentimental than classical Urdu verse, which treats lover and beloved more as archetypes. Much of what is popularized by the contemporary stars consists of shallow, inconsequential, and hackneyed verse, reiterating tired clichs whose triviality, for annoyed connoisseurs, is only heightened by the artificiality of the canned "wah-wahs" following them on cassettes. Of course, there have always been dozens of ordinary poets for each talented one--especially in a genre so widely cultivated as the Urdu ghazal. Perhaps what invites the purists' scorn is the modern ghazal's unprecedented mass dissemination, which popularizes otherwise forgettable verse among vast audiences. Connoisseurs of high Urdu also lament the extent to which Urdu diction has been simplified, or replace with Hindi, in order to reach a broader, Hindi-speaking audience. As popular knowledge of Urdu declines, singers of pop ghazals increasingly avoid verse with unfamiliar Persia-Arabic diction, including many of the most famous ghazals of great classical poets like Ghalib. Critics also point out that some modern singers--including some of the top stars--pronounce Urdu phonemes incorrectly, substituting Hindi phonemes for Urdu counterparts and misplacing unwritten elisions (ezafet). A few vocalists have been known to confess in private that they themselves are unsure of the meaning of some of the couplets they sing. Some of the most popular modern ghazals employ distinctively Hindi diction which would never be encountered in traditional Urdu verse. The the popularity of this and other Hindi-oriented ghazals clearly coheres with the general dilution of Urdu in the modern ghazal.

In North India and Pakistan, the Urdu ghazal continues to enjoy prodigious popularity, indeed, incomparably greater than that of any poetic form in the West. Although Urdu is, on the whole, a product of Indo-Muslim culture, in the last decade, the ghazal has been commercially produced in different regional languages, especially Punjabi, Marathi, Gujarati, Bengali, Pashtu, and Hindi itself. While these ghazals often use the standard imagery, rhyme scheme, and, to some extent, meters of their Urdu models, what distinguishes them more clearly as ghazals is their style, which imitates that of the contemporary mainstream ghazal. The appearance of regional-language ghazals is directly related to the rise of cassettes, with their crucial role in the ghazal boom in general, and in the emergence of commercial regional music.

In Hindu religion...or for that matter all over India..
regardless of religion..your left hand should be used
for wiping your ass in the toilet..usually there is a water
tap or a small bucket with water..it's very strange in the
beginning to get used to it...never shake hands with your
left hand..accept something with your left hand etc...
make it a rule never to eat with your left hand neither...
I have made mistakes while visiting Indian families...but they
will tell you sometimes how things should be done..
don't take this as an insult..it's part of learning Indian etiquette..
usually it's best to take of shoes while going into a house..
but sometimes people don't mind you go in with shoes..
it's good to bring a small present..they will appreciate the gesture..
Indians are very curious about Western culture..whether it's habits,
music,or life style...they like to know how we manage our lives.
if you touch someone with your right hand on their feet..
and then bring your hand to your forehead...it's a great honour for
that person..usually it's ONLY done by younger ..
towards older people whom you show great respect...
for instance children to their parents..or grandparents..
or too gurus or highly respectable people..
I've done it often towards my mother in law..
my wife is of Muslim beliefs..
and in Islam in India they call this habit*tasleem*
don't know how its called
amongst Hindus..
always put your hands together in a prayer like position
and say Namaste..or namaskar..
not for Muslims though..
there it's better to take your right hand towards your forehead
and say Assalum Alaikum..
in Muslim houses..take off your shoes..
often seen is Aat il Kursi..it's a verse(Surah)of the Koran..
which should bring good luck too the house..
temple visits...always take off your shoes..
and respect the silence or noise in the temple for that matter...
once i visited the famous Menakshi temple in Madurai(South India)
it's a huge complex with several gate entrances..
a warden keeps your shoes there..it's free...
and while leaving the temple..
you collect your shoes back...
well..i got lost in that temple...
couldn't remember correct spot of entrance..
It took me 2 hours to get my shoes back..
just looking for them..
finally found them:& once i was in Calcutta and visted Kalighat..
a famous Durga temple...usually the image of Kali ..
can never be seen by Westerners in that temple..
my brother in law...took me one day...
very strange experience..if you come into that temple world...
you feel like entering a taboo..but i saw Kali's image..
in older days animal sacrifices were performed here..
don't know whether that practice still exist..
temples are such a sight for us..I can tell you..
one is overwhelmed by their marvelous architecture..
but also the strange customs&rituals..
i visited a Jain temple in Ranakpur(Rajasthan)everything in marble..
absolute clean surroundings...Jains believe they cannot kill animals..
it goes that far that they wear a mask before their mouth..
in order not to swallow insects..
Taj Mahal..is stunning..
Khajuraho is fully erotic..
Chittorgarh..nice temples(Rajasthan)
Udaipur temples...just marvelous..(Rajasthan)
in Desnoke by Bikaner(Rajasthan)there is a rat temple..
not for the faint hearted...thousands of rats are given food..
on a plate...I've not been here..I hate rats..
Amber Palace in Amber(Jaipur)
tourist trap...one can mount an elephant to make the climb up
the hill to visit this temple..I walked it..behind the elephant it's
a whole musical scene while a turban clad local villager..
playing a rawanahatta=a string instrument accompanys the tourist..
to the top...then spread his hands for baksheesh(alms)
Jaisalmer and Jodhpur...excellent forts..(Rajasthan)
Rock temple(Tiruchiraparally)South India...marvelous..
giving to beggars is no solution to the problem..
parents send their kids into the streets..
the money they collect goes too the parents..
and the kids stay in the same miserable state..
it's soo much better to buy some bananas..some food..
and give it to these kids..that way they eat at least..
kids are exploited...all over...it's a crying shame..
i've heard stories about parents who cut off a limb of their kids..
and then send them into the streets to beg..
in order to get big money from tourists..
it's absoluteley disgusting...but it exists..i hate it
i'll go deeper into this subject in this same topic later..

temple links
http://kalighat.jagaddhatri.com (Kalighat-Calcutta)
http://www.templenet.com (general info on Indian temples)
02-21-2012, 09:21 AM Old
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Hello, old_tiger!

Unfortunately, there is no Train to Yakutsk available. You can reach by Aeroplane, and for short time, Ferry in the Summer time.
02-21-2012, 02:14 PM Old
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Wel,Koryssa...I intend to travel again a bit in the near future...I said it was a dream for me to take the Trans-Siberian up to Vladivostok...i could get down in Irkutsk and then see what Lake Baikal has got to offer?or take a trip upto Skovodorino via Ulan Ude and Cita?it's rough travelling...but for sure a challenge for an adventurer like me??summers are short in Yakutia..and I know I'll freeze to death in your winter...and with my beard..I'll by warm around my chin..uhuh..but they might take me for a copy of Rasputin(ahah)always wanted a pair of reindeer skin boots..saw them when i was around Ivalo(Lappland)I think...it will stay a dream...it's worthwhile keeping on dreaming in lifeand all that Russian bureaucracy for visa's etc..it's silly?I think..
well..I got my passport ready..but anyway..

and next trip for me is a motorbike ride to a place called Hoogstraten...
it's probably around 80 to 100kilometers...and i'm invited by the Hurdygurymen dj's to dance barefoot on flowerpower music from the 60-70's...that's a challenge too,you knowthey made their flyer at last..

02-21-2012, 03:07 PM Old
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and now...to continue my India tread...a step from cold Siberia to hot India..O.K..


This topic will deal with Indian festivals,festivities etc..
Khumba Mela...is really something amazing..it's only
every 12 years,i believe??...and millions of people gather..
in one of the holy places of Hinduism..Nasik,Allahabad etc..
lots of sanyasi(holy men)yogi,and pilgrims...
never have been there..don't know if i ever will:H
next one is in 2015..will i be still alive and kicking??

another very popular festival is Diwali...
bit like the Indian version of New Year..more later..
I was able to witness twice Diwali days in India..
simply marvelous.thousands of candles..lights..smells..
colours..firecrackers..everybody in festive mood..
went eating in Indian homes...i felt soo at home..
and enjoyed the food...even with all the pillie pillies..
if you go to India..include this festival in your calendar.


Another important festival is Holi
Holi is usually a feast marking the end of the winter..
colours are thrown at each other...lots of merriment..
the powdered colours can be very vivid..
don't wear your best clothes on this day..
once i was in Assam during Holi..normally it's a Hindu
celebration...although young people regardless of their
religion participate..i went in the streets..
and some guys put me full of colour purple..deep red..
i was looking like a devil:X ...went back home..
my mother in law got furious at her sons..
and said...how could you let this happen??
but i asssured her...no problem..
the colours don't make stains..the went out..
after 2 washes lots of bhang(hasj)is taken
on that day...it's a bit the carnaval of India..
I got you all a link to enjoy..
you can even cook Holi food..



What a wealth of sharing, It would mean so much to me
to able to view each topic being discussed.
Words cannot satisfy the need for direct experience,
I could linger at one temple and take in the history of each aspect
for a whole day....
**posted by sylvanlightning**

It's never big fun to get sick in India..
I really took care while i was there to see too it what you eat..
and where you eat it...got some diaree once...and also dysentery
from drinking a canesugarjuice..some green stuff..probably flies..
and a few days in bed in Jaipur..I have seen hippies in a miserable
state..they are hooked on drugs..opium..heroine..the hard stuff..
i am sorry to tell you here...but they give a bad image to hippies..
Indians accept hippies...but rather frown up too their behaviour..
there have been cases of deaths in Bombay hotels..chicks playing
prostitute to supply their drug needs..mostly around Goa..
there used to be a nudist beach in Goa..Indians didn't like it..
they are rather shy of nature concerning nudity..if you get sick in
India...don't wait too long to go too a doctor...good doctors will
give you the corrrect medicine for your condition..a stay in an Indian
clinic is a test for the nerves..I believe in ayurvedic medicine..
it's practised all over India...very good medicine..
in Kerala(South India)one can follow oil therapys..
for all kind of ailments..not cheap
Chennai(Madras)has got some Ayurvedic centers,i believe..
take some preventiv shots before departure..
cholera..hepatitis..take also some medicine from home..
like malaria pills..have to be taken weeks before departure..
to build up resistance..stomach problems...well..everybody
will get the shits one day in India..it's part of your trip..
be careful with drinking water in big cities like Calcutta..
buy a bottle of Bisleri=water..it's clean..sold all over..
in Calcutta ask for Bhanpool oil..it's an ayurvedic oil..
very good to cool the head..muscle pain etc..
just take care of your health,please...


Different Types of Treatments in Ayurveda

In this treatment, lukewarm herbal oils are applied all over the body by two to four trained therapists is a special rhythmic way continuously for about 60 to 90 minutes per day for a period of 7 to 21 days. This treatment is very useful for Rheumatic diseases like Arthritis, Parlysis, Hemiplegia, Paralysis-Agitanus, Sexual Weakness, Nervous Wakness and Nervous disorders etc.

It is a process by which the whole body or any specific part thereof is made to perspire by the application of certain medical puddings externally in the form of Boluses tied up in muslin bag. This is applied by two to four therapist for abut 60-90 minutes per day for a period of 14 days. This Treatment is for all types of Rheumatism, Pain in the Joints, Emaciation of limbs, High blood pressure, Cholesterol and certain kinds of skin diseases.

In this process, some Herbal oils, medicated milk, medicated butter milk etc. are poured on the forehead in a special method for about 45 minutes in a day for a period of 7-21 days. This treatment is mainly for Insomnia, Vatha Predominated diseases, Mental tension and certain skin diseases.

Certain herbal oils, herbal extracts etc. are applied through the rectum daily for a period 5 to 25 days.This Treatment is for Arthritis, Paralysis, Hemiplegia, Numbness, Bastric complaints associated with Rheumatism and constant constipation.

Certain lukewarm herbal oils are poured into a cap fitted on the head for 15 to 60 minutes per day according to the patients conditions for a period of 7 days. This tratment is highly effective for facial paralysis, Dryness of nostrils, mouth and throat, Severe headaches, and other Vatha originated diseases.

This is a typical massage with herbal powder for about 30 to 45 minutes daily for a period of 14 to 28 days. This treatment is for the diseases like Hemitplegia, Paralysis, Obesity and certain Rheumatic ailments.


Special type of oil massage in which strokes are given according to the diseases for 45 minutes per day for 14 days. This treatment is very useful for Obesity, Especially for Diabetic Gangrene etc.

Herbal juices, medicated oils etc. are applied through nose for 7 to 14 day. This treatment is highly effective for certain kinds of Headaches, Paralysis, Mental disorders, some types of skin disease etc.

Mediated Ghee is given internally in a proportionally increased quantity for a period of 8 to 12 days. This treatment is for Osteoathritis, Psoriasis, Leukaemia etc.

Herbal leaves and herbes or herbal powders are applied to the whole body in boluses with hot medicated oils for 45 minutes per day for a period of 7 to 14 days. This treatment is for osteoarthritis, arthritis with swelling, spondilosis, sports injuries etc.

Warm herbal liquid is poured all over the body in a rhtthmic way through a special vessel for 45 minutes to 1 hour daily. This treatment is very effective for hemiplegia, Paralysis Rheumatic complaints etc.

Herbal oils and decoctions are applied through the vaginal route. This treatment is good for gynaecological disorders. It is also a purification process for genital organs.

In this process specially prepared warm medicated oil is kept over the lower back with herbal paste boundary, This treatment lasts for 45 minutes to 1 hour and it is good for any type of nback pain and spinal disorders.

Like Kativasthi warm medicated oil is kept over the chest for 45 minutes this is an effective treatment for asthma, other respiratory problems hearth diseases and muscular chest pain


This is formentation with medicated cow milk. This treatment is good for facial paralysis. Bell's palsy, speech disorders and other nervous disorders of the face.

Special powder mixed with medicated oil applying on the top of the head for 20 to 45 minutes. This treatment is helpful for ent problems, isomnia, migraine etc.

This is a process by which medicated herbal paste is applied on the affected part, This is useful for various types of inflammatory conditions.

Anyone interested in Indian music,Indian dance,Indian instruments??
Please feel free to add anything on India in this thread



While in India...just go and experience once a movie..

Indian movies are made in Bollywood..or Chennai..
usually a mixture of dance,drama,humor..
i do like more the movies with a message..
from Mrinal Sen,S.Ray,or Mira Nair..
more on movies later on..


I enjoyed the movies, 'Monsoon Wedding' and 'Siddhartha.'
**posted by sylvanlightning**


I have seen Monsoon wedding as well..Siddhartha..don't recall..
Salaam Bombay..about streetkids+prostitution in Mumbai..
Mississippi Masala...about an Indian-Black relation in U.S.A.
I will give some more info on Indian cinema soon..
You should try to see S.Ray's movies..if a person dies in these
movies..he will not show the person dying...but will put a candle..
some Indian music...and then..the candle slowly going out..
this symbolises the person moving away from earth..i think it was
soo beautifully done..Mrinal Sen+Ray are Bengali movie makers..
look in www.calcuttaweb.com and see under cinema.
Indian actors and actresses are almost like Western popstars...
to give an example...when Uttam Kumar died..the whole city was
on the move in Calcutta..

The elegance and grace of Indian ladys is well defined by their sari's..
they come in a thousand different colours as wel..
in every state almost there's a different way of wearing them..
Kerala or Gujarat,Maharastra or Assam..
you will notice a difference.
sari's come in different price category's..
some of them cost a fortune..brocate and gold work..
if you ever have the luck to witness a Hindu wedding..
it's a lifetime experience..i witnessed once a wedding..
and i can tell you all..it's really something..more on weddings later...
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India is a very big country..if you ever decide to travell there..
plan your trip well ahead..pick a part of India...
and it's best to go between october-march..
i'll put a weatherlink here http://www.weeronline.nl/India.htm


Some pictures on various sari types,tribal dress etc.
also nice are pictures on Indian village life..marriages etc...
click on links below pics..hope you all enjoy the photographs




If you ever have the luck to visit Ranakpur Jain temple..
just do it..it's between Jodhpur-Udaipur(Rajasthan)
ask for railwaystation Palna Junction..then a bus journey
about 40km.distance from Palna..a real adventure that bus..
the Jain Chaumukha temple has impressed me very much..
no shoes allowed..no leather bags neither..
it's better to stay overnight here..in Shilpi hotel=300roepies?
or in the dharamsala just in front..sort of guesthouse for
pilgrims..donation based..max.stay=2 nights..some rooms
are available with cold shower+toilet...food is vegetarian..
you eat together with other pilgrims..real experience..
the temple itself dates from 15th century..and can be visited
between noon-17.00h..it has got more then 1400 marble pillars..
and they are all different...amazing..The jains are a sort of side
religion from Hinduism..two sects...1/digambara's...these people
walk around completey naked..real funny sight..2/svetambaras..
always dressed in white clothes...mask before face..they may not
swallow insects..Jains don't kill animals or people..they have 5 holy
mountains..1/Mount Abu(Rajasthan) 2/Parasnath(Bihar) 3/Gimar=
in Gujarat4/Indragiri=around Sravanabelogela(Karnataka)
5/Shatrunjaya=around Palitana(Gujarat)
their temples are very clean and well kept..
Jainism is a side religion from Hinduism..their last Guru was Mahavira..
They believe in re incarnation..and moksha=spiritual salvation..
they practice ahimsa=non violence..they will never kill anything or
anybody..i'll try to find some links on Jain religion..

P.S...When I visited the Ranakpur temple...I was in real astonishment of the sheer beauty of it...
judge for yourselves in these pictures..splendid



Jain Religion

The oldest continuous monastic tradition in India is Jainism, the path of the Jinas, or victors. This tradition is traced to Var-dhamana Mahavira (The Great Hero; ca. 599-527 B.C.), the twenty-fourth and last of the Tirthankaras (Sanskrit for fordmakers). According to legend, Mahavira was born to a ruling family in the town of Vaishali, located in the modern state of Bihar.

At the age of thirty, he renounced his wealthy life and devoted himself to fasting and self-mortification in order to purify his consciousness and discover the meaning of existence. He never again dwelt in a house, owned property, or wore clothing of any sort. Following the example of the teacher Parshvanatha (ninth century B.C.), he attained enlightenment and spent the rest of his life meditating and teaching a dedicated group of disciples who formed a monastic order following rules he laid down. His life's work complete, he entered a final fast and deliberately died of starvation.

Faiths in Jain Religion
The ancient belief system of the Jains rests on a concrete understanding of the working of karma, its effects on the living soul (jiva ), and the conditions for extinguishing action and the soul's release. According to the Jain view, the soul is a living substance that combines with various kinds of nonliving matter and through action accumulates particles of matter that adhere to it and determine its fate. Most of the matter perceptible to human senses, including all animals and plants, is attached in various degrees to living souls and is in this sense alive. Any action has consequences that necessarily follow the embodied soul, but the worst accumulations of matter come from violence against other living beings.

The ultimate Jain discipline, therefore, rests on complete inactivity and absolute nonviolence (ahimsa) against any living beings. Some Jain monks and nuns wear face masks to avoid accidentally inhaling small organisms, and all practicing believers try to remain vegetarians. Extreme renunciation, including the refusal of all food, lies at the heart of a discipline that purges the mind and body of all desires and actions and, in the process, burns off the consequences of actions performed in the past. In this sense, Jain renunciants may recognize or revere deities, but they do not view the Vedas as sacred texts and instead concentrate on the atheistic, individual quest for purification and removal of karma. The final goal is the extinguishing of self, a "blowing out" (nirvana) of the individual self.

By the first century A.D., the Jain community evolved into two main divisions based on monastic discipline: the Digambara or "sky-clad" monks who wear no clothes, own nothing, and collect donated food in their hands; and the Svetambara or "white-clad" monks and nuns who wear white robes and carry bowls for donated food. The Digambara do not accept the possibility of women achieving liberation, while the Svetambara do. Western and southern India have been Jain strongholds for many centuries; laypersons have typically formed minority communities concentrated primarily in urban areas and in mercantile occupations. In the mid-1990s, there were about 7 million Jains, the majority of whom live in the states of Maharashtra (mostly the city of Bombay, or Mumbai in Marathi), Rajasthan, and Gujarat (see Structure and Dynamics, ch. 2). Karnataka, traditionally a stronghold of Digambaras, has a sizable Jain community.

Ritual Activities
The Jain laity engage in a number of ritual activities that resemble those of the Hindus around them. Special shrines in residences or in public temples include images of the Tirthankaras, who are not worshiped but remembered and revered; other shrines house the gods who are more properly invoked to intercede with worldly problems. Daily rituals may include meditation and bathing; bathing the images; offering food, flowers, and lighted lamps for the images; and reciting mantras in Ardhamagadhi, an ancient language of northeast India related to Sanskrit. Many Jain laity engage in sacramental ceremonies during life-cycle rituals, such as the first taking of solid food, marriage, and death, resembling those enacted by Hindus. Jains may also worship local gods and participate in local Hindu or Muslim celebrations without compromising their fundamental devotion to the path of the Jinas. The most important festivals of Jainism celebrate the five major events in the life of Mahavira: conception, birth, renunciation, enlightenment, and final release at death.

Jain Pilgrimages
At a number of pilgrimage sites associated with great teachers of Jainism, the gifts of wealthy donors made possible the building of architectural wonders. Shatrunjaya Hills (Siddhagiri) in Gujarat is a major Svetambara site, an entire city of about 3,500 temples. Mount Abu in Rajasthan, with one Digambara and five Svetambara temples, is the site of some of India's greatest architecture, dating from the eleventh through thirteenth centuries A.D. In Karnataka, on the hill of Sravana Belgola, stands the monolithic seventeen-meter-high statue of the naked Bhagwan Bahubali (Gomateshvara), the first person in the world believed by the faithful to have attained enlightenment, so deep in meditation that vines are growing around his legs.

At this site every twelve years, a major concourse of Jain ascetics and laity participate in a purification ceremony in which the statue is anointed from head to toe. Carved in 981, the statue is considered the holiest Jain shrine. In addition to its lavish patronage of shrines, the Jain community, with its long scriptural tradition and wealth gained from trade, has always been known for its philanthropy and especially for its support of education and learning. Prestigious Jain schools are located in most major cities. The largest concentrations of Jains are in Maharashtra (more than 965,000) and Rajasthan (nearly 563,000), with sizable numbers also in Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh.
02-22-2012, 11:27 AM Old
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Religion is a very serious and complex matter in India..

about 82 percent are believers of Hinduism..
11,2 percent Islam..
2,6 percent Christianity
2 percent Sikhism
0,8 percent Buddhism
0,5 percent Jainism
furthermore Parsi's,Bahai's,Jews..

Hinduism..everybody knows about the caste system..
4 main castes..1/Brahmins=priests etc..
2/Kshatriyas=warriors etc..
3/Vaishya's=landowners,merchants etc..
4/Shudra's=peasants,labourers etc..
The untouchables(dalits)were the lowest casts..it was forbidden
for them to even touch a Brahmin..caste system got now mixed
but i don't think a Brahim would marry a dalit..although in modern
India lots of things are changed..for the better..
Hindu/Muslim marriages are common..
but still it's so embedded in traditions&beliefs..a non Brahmin will
not enter the kitchen of that Brahmin..Ghandi was a fervent contra
caste believer..Ambedkar is the fighter for dalit rights..
Hinduism has got ample of rituals(puja)for different Gods,Godesses etc..
Brahma,Vishnu en Shiva are the main Gods of Hindu religion..
There is a whole lot of mythology involved..
Bhagavad Gita is the Holy Book for Hindus..
Hindu's have got 7 holy citys..
1/Ayhoda(U.P)birthplace of Rama
2/Mathura(U.P)birthplace of Krishna
3/Hardwar(U.P)here the holy river Ganga leaves the mountains
4/Varanasi(U.P)holy place for Hindus
5/Kanchipuram(Tamil Nadu)holy city for south India
6/Ujain(Madhya Pradesh)earlier center of the cosmos
7/Dwarka(Gujarat)place where Krisna lived

More on Hinduism later on..

India is full of spirituality..yoga...ashrams..gurus..sadhu's..I will go a bit deeper into this subject by giving some links..
and some information on spiritual aspects
Auroville...Holy Mother..near Pondicherry is is an ashram..
founded by The Holy Mother in 1968=Mira Alfassa..
the idea behind this is unity amongst different race&religion
no political thinking..in Auroville a whole city has been erected...
earth of 124 countries has been dispersed there..
Pondicherry was in French hands up till 1954..
it looks like a city on the French riviera..
Sri Aurobindo stimulated yoga here together with the Holy Mother..
people interesed in yoga from all countries..
come here to study yoga+filosofical thinking..
Sri Aurobindo ashram is in Pondicherry itself..
never been there unfortunateley..:&
Auroville itself is about 15km.from Pondicherry(Tamil Nadu)
Auroville means...City of Dawn..
about a 1000 people from 155 countries live
here in harmony...seems like a hippie commune
meditation is high on the agenda here..

Later more on other gurus and filosofical matters..


Some well known people are of course the Dalai Lama..
i always like that fellow..the way he explains things..
I'll look up for some websites..


Of course everbody came across the ISCKON people..
the Hare Krishna's=this organisation was founded in 1966
by Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada..their followers worship
Krishna,don't believe in caste system...and are totally vegetarian..

Krishnamurti was a great Indian filosofer..
just have a look at www.kfionline.org

Of course a very well know guru is Mahareshi Mahesh Yogi..
His ashram is situated in Risikesh=a city on the Ganges river..
in 1964 the Beatles came here for a meditation course..
This fellow practises transcedent meditation..and is a follower
of world peace..the ashram in Risikesh is now closed..
the Mahareshi himself now lives in Vlodrop(Holland)
One of the greatest thinkers and philosofers of INDIA=Krishnamurti..
please read these links...and give your comments on it...


Another well known guru was Baghwan Shree Rajneesh..

lots of followers in the West...i believe he had some place
in Oregon??he became also known as Osho or Bhagwan...
main ashram is located in Poona(Pune)


another of these gurus with lots of Western followers
is Poonjaji..who lives in Lucknow..he holds his satsangs
there..it's quite an experience to witness these speeches
by the Swami..his teachings are based on the discovery
of our own...who am I?


a link on ashrams...

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Here some more pictures on India..
this German fellow did a real good job..
Rajasthan state always has been my favorite part of India..
stayed 5 months in Jaipur..going around by bicycle..
Amber Palace,Hawa Mahal,City Palace,bazaars of Jaipur..
don't miss it...in these days Jaipur was cleaner..
in 1999 I've been back there..city got real dirty..

New Delhi might most possible be your arrival point in India..
The old international airport was called Palam..
it has become departure+arrival point for domestic flights..
Now it's another one called Indira Ghandhi International Airport..
nice and clean..if you reach at night..and set food on Indian ground..
you feel the heat of this country already..Delhi can be very hot..
temperatures up to 40 degrees Celsius=april+may+june etc...
it's a big confusion arriving in the middle of the night...
take a prepaid taxi to the place you want to stay...
big hustle and bustle..it doesn't give a very safe feeling..
usually these cab drivers are two...and if they are clever...
they try to rip you off..don't pay a penny more..
you get a voucher...give it to them..
they will get their money..don't worry about that..
November to march is the best time to visit Delhi..
population???difficult to say??Delhi is a widespread city..
I guess 10 million people now..
there is Old Delhi(puranha Delhi)and New Delhi(naya Delhi)
Old Delhi has got very interesting historical sight like Jama
Masjid(mosque)Red Fort..Chandni Chowk=shops+bazaars..
Old Delhi railway Station etc...cheap hotels in Paharganj..

New Delhi with Connaught Place..is where lots of Western
travellers hang around..it's fun to walk around there...
ask for Palika Bazaar..underground bazaar..bit stuffy..
Janpath=tourist information office..good staff..ask for a city map..
this street is lined with stalls with Tibetan art..books,gadgets...
in Delhi lots of interesting musea+buildings..ask in tourist office..
sometimes beggars will trouble you asking for baksheesh..
specially in Old Delhi...in New Delhi beggars are discouraged by
the govt..and the police..it's the main tourist area..
I'll tell some more later about the choice of hotels in Delhi..


While arriving Delhi is worth to stay a few days...
accomodation=lots of real luxury hotels with names
like Oberoi,Imperial etc...I can't pay that stuff:H
cheapest places are in Paharganj in Northern Delhi..
try hotel Namaskar=Chandiwalan 917
doubles up to 400roepies..
e-mail namaskarhotel@yahoo.com
hot water,owner is very helpfull..

Also very cheap...and O.K.for 2 days..
Youth Hostel..in Chanakyapuri regio..
very nice area..most embassies are there..
you better have a valid International Y.H.card..
adress=Nyaya Marg 5
price=500 to 700roepies for a double..??
private double..with aircondition+bathroom..
open 24/24h

Staying more central around Connaught place will cost more..
try YMCA tourist hotel=Jai Singh Road..

e-mail ymcat@ndf.vsnl.net
fax 0091.3746032
air cond/double with bathroom=900 to 1500roepies..??
breakfast is included in the room price..
good restaurants with Indian+Western style food..
temporary membership card necessary..will cost you 30rs??
open 24/24h..swimming pool,internet,travell service...

If your pockets bulk from cash..and if you want to give
your girl friend a surprise ..try Imperial hotel..
very central on Janpath...nice price=200 to 500 US.dollars.??
a very pleasant old style hotel..nice gardens+pool..
I had a tea there once with my wife..still affordable:H
Hope this information will be useful for some of you..

P.S..the prices are probably shot up

Another great lady of India's soil..


Mother Meera

Oh, she is beautiful. What a lovely soul, I hadn't met her.

Here is one of my favorite living Avatars


**posted by sylvanlightning**



Some lunatic attacked Ammaji in Kerala(South India)
I cannot understand why people get so frustrated nowadays:&


I'm so sorry for the attacker,
all abusers have been abused,
may this lost soul find their purer Self.

**posted by sylvanlightning**




Amma is unharmed

August 21, 2005 - Latest News from Amritapuri

Amma is unharmed. She is giving Devi Bhava darshan now. Stranger with a hidden knife rushes to the stage during Amma's bhajans. Devotees overpowered him and have handed him over to the police. None of today's Devi Bhava programs were interrupted by this incident.

My Martial Arts Sifu Sunyata Saraswati
was once a body-guard for amma.
She gives great hugs

**posted by syjlvanlightning**
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a good link on chakra's..


I'll try to find some links on ayurvedic medicine..


Let's talk a bit about Agra..city of the Taj Mahal..
I've been there a few times..and every time i find
it a tourist trap..no doubt..Taj Mahal is one of the
most beautiful things one can see in the world..
it's a marvelous piece of Muslim art...the Mughals
have ruled India between 1526 till 1857..and sure..
they left their marks..all over India..
Agra is a big city with 1,2 million people..
get there from Delhi either by train=Taj Express..
leaves Nizzamuddin Rlw.station in Delhi early morning
and takes 3 hours to reach Agra cantonment Rlw.station...
Shatabdi express train from Delhi does the trip too Agra in
less then 2 hours...leaves Delhi at 6.00 a.m..
Travelling by train is an adventure...and sometimes a big hassle
as well..not always a seat available..reservation takes time etc..
I would advice to take an express bus from Delhi to Agra..
These buses are comfortable..takes 5 hours..
Either you leave from Kashmiri Gate Bus Terminal or from the
new bus terminal at Sarai Khale Khan=close to Nizzamuddin
Rlw.Station..find out about these things at Delhi Tourist Office..
Now..reaching Agra..the moment you'll walk out of a train or bus
station people hassle you to take you to the Taj Mahal,usually
with a stop on a shop where they get percentage if you buy..
I took a cycle rickshaw..another hassle..no fixed price..you never
know whether you have payed far too much or not..
anyhow..Taj Mahal..yeah..quite a sight..when i went there it was
still cheap..now they charge you 750 roepies=1 U.S.Doll=50 roepies..
For rucksack tourists this is a lot of cash i think..but still..you'll have
to see it..there used to be days when Taj Mahal could be visited
in moonlight..romantic.. don't know whether it's still possible..
Taj Mahal was built by Shah Jahan for his wife Mumtaz Mahal..
Mumtaz died at childbirth in 1631..construction started in 1631
and took till 1653..about 20000people worked on it..
Main architect was from Iran..Italian marble was used..
both the tombs of Mumtaz and Shah Jahan are in the Taj..
It's symply stunning standing in front of this masterpiece..
anyway..see for yourselves accomodation..try Tourist Office=
on The mall..closed on sundays..open=09.00h-17.00h..
Try Tourist rest house=Kachahari Road..fax=0091.562.366910.
e-mail trh@sancharnet.in prices=between450-600roepies/double
room with hot water,aircondition,fridge+T.V..only disadvantage=
check out at 10.a.m...i believe I stayed here..but the name has
changed since..i also slept rough 1 night just in the railway Station
in my sleeping bag..i can tell you..i was not the only one..bit noisy?
More comfort to sleep=try hotel Athiti=Fatebad Road=price range is
around 1300 to 1500 roepies/double..fax=0091.562.330878.
e-mail hotelatithi@hotmail.com

Still more luxurious..but not for my pocket=Agra Ashok,Clarks Shiraz..
Taj View,Amarvilas etc..well...ask at the tourist office..
Try petha=a local sweet preparation on pumpkin base..
eating=Zorba the Buddha=this place is popular with backpackers..
it's located in Sadar Bazaar=ask for shopping arcade..
it's an Osho place=Shree Bhagwan Rajneesh with vegetarian food..
pay around 80 to 100roepies..open from noon to 3 p.m.
and 6 to 9 p.m.=clean place..nonsmoking..busy in the evening..


Good link for Agra..


Today India celebrates the festival of Janmasthami..
this festival remembers the birthday of Krishna..
devotees fast on this day from morning till night..
born in Mathura(between Delhi-Agra)
The river Yamuna flows through this city..
Krishna was brought up by a villager who kept cow herds..
in Vrindavan=a city about 10kms..from Mathura..Krishna..
was tending the cows..and was very playful and naughty
with the *gopis*=young girls who kept guard with the cows..
Krishna one day stole the clothes from these gopis while they
were bathing themselves in the river..Krishna used to play flute..
Vrindavan is nowadays headquarters for ISKCON=international
organisation for Hare Krishna Organisation


Arundhati Roy..

All my respect goes to this beautiful lady of Kerala..
She won the Booker Prize..and an award in Sydney..
She's a fighter for human rights...great lady

P.S.If time permits..please visit the state of Kerala..
I've never seen nature like over there..stunning..

I would love to go to India some day, as some of you know herb and I are training to be kundalini yoga instructors and so we have been introduced lots of things related to the Indian culture. The hosts of our retreats are Sikhs and the man is an Ayurvedic doctor, they both do and teach kundalini yoga. Also tomorrow, if we can find the house, and wake up on time, we are going to a Sikh elder's house to do sadhana yoga practice at 4 am. It should be very exciting. We've been going to sadhana's at a yoga studio with him and others for a few weeks now, but tomorrow we've been invited to come to his house for a special sadhana. He has the most calming presence and we love being around him. The hosts of our retreats also have a similar presence, though they are much younger and the woman more-so, maybe because she's pregnant, is so inviting and comforting to be around. We've also been introduced to tantric breathing which we happen to use during sex as well as yoga, and everyday life even.

**posted by honeyhannah**


I'm glad to hear about your interest in India,yoga etc..
it takes a lifetime to fully understand all aspects of India..
I will try to give you some good links on yoga...
and yes...by controlling your breath..you control your life..
my wife's yoga books are from Sri Ananda=Hatha yoga..
it gives the asanas for various problems..like fatigue,anxiety..
depression,melancholy..me myself I don't practice yoga..
I suppose i lack the patience for it:&
Lots of peace and love too you..


what a wonderful path the two of you are walking together.....yay

**comment from Marie on Honeyhannah's posting**

A few links for Kundalini Yoga..


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A great master of yoga was Shri Yogananda..
you can read his whole book online...

Sanskrit is a very old language..
if you want to learn more about some terms..
have a look at this link.. http://www.sanskrit.org/

I believe this is a good link to Hinduism..

If you want to bring souvenirs from India..
well..there is for everybody choice enough..
i would suggest following adresses in New Delhi..
Janpath Road is full of little stalls with nice things..
books...Tibetan art..typical Indian things..
if you really want good value and quality..
go to Central Cottage Emporium..on Janpath Road..
do your shopping there last day when you fly back home..
a big choice..prices bit more...but good stuff..
and you can pay in U.S.dollars..
Close to Connaught Place is Bhaba Karakh Sing Marg..
in this street Government Emporiums with souvenirs
typical to the different states of India..
chicks go crazy about Indian clothes...such nice colours..
anyway...don't spend a fortune..unless you have won..
the big lottery ticket..I never did..don't have a nail to
scratch my ass...maybe..one day..who knows
no..i really never cared much about money..

Yes, Sri Pramahansa Yogananda is a bright light.
He wrote many books. This link opens an internet version of
'Autobiography of a Yogi.' One of the books I have decided to keep.
Kriya Yoga is certainly a way, and is a heart path.
Thank you for sharing the link. Perhaps one will read chapter 3 online...

Everything is freely given, lets circulate the love.

**posted by sylvanligthning**

Andy,thanks for your interest in India..
really makes me feel good..
chapter 3..you said???wawww...Varanasi..
I'll give you the full load on Benares(Varanasi)soon
save some money...and...
take Marie on a trip through India


As soon as my whole foods stock splits, I'll have some options
There are so many places I would love to travel with her.

Perhaps pondicherry?


**posted by sylvanlightning**

Hey Andy,

Sure..you are right...just let me tell you 1 thing..
avoid the typical tourist places if possible..
that's India for the tourist..Agra..etc...
go with Marie into a spiritual journey...
Risiskesh..Hardwar..Sarnath..Bodh Gaya..Rajgir..
and while you're in South India..
trip through the backwaters of Kerala..
between Aleppy-Kottayam..absolute peace..
village life..like you will remember your life long..
10 boat trips a day...really worthwhile..
eat a curry...ask for a dish called *karimeen*
it's a fish curry...i'll try to get a link on backwaters..
and remember,Andy...life has only begun...
P.S.end november..begin december=best for Kerala..
45 days of India is MORE then enough if you travell
there first time..it's a test for the nerves..
you might hate it at times..but once back home..
you will remember it for a lifetime...


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Here a link for Kerala backwater trips..
these houseboats for tourism are not very cheap..
try to find a villager who takes you in a small boat??
prepare for food...sun protection etc..

P.S.click useful links...some real good stuff..
on yoga and ayurveda..


a link for Jewel heart=about Mahayana Buddhism..

Varanasi(ex Benares)is a city you should see...
it's very very Indian..as a matter of fact I've
never seen more holy cows anywhere else then
in Varanasi..this holy city for Hindu's is dusty,hot,
crowded,very spiritual...and specially very good to
have a glimpse on Hinduism,holy men,cremation on
the ghats(steps on the Ganges river)first you arrive
in Varanasi..most probably by train in Mogul Serai=
11km.south..try to arrive in Varanasi Junction Station..
Tourist office=The Mall 15b=Cantonment area..
accomodation..try Tourist Dak bungalow=The Mall..
no idea about prices...just make a walk to the river
side..on the ghats..you will see strange things...
ritual baths,chanting of Holy texts,yogi,holy men..
cremations are held at Manikharnika ghat or Harichandra
ghat..photography is forbidden..I've witnessed once a
ceremony..and i felt quite awkward..in fact the oldest
son has to light the pile of wood...it takes a lot of nerve
to witness..you will hear no mourning..it's more reading of
Holy texts by a pandit..around these ghats a strange group
of holy men live...with dreadlock hair..and poorly dressed..
ask for aghori's..very funny people...sort of sadhu's..
The bathing rituals are going on mostly at daybreak
..ask for Dashaswahmed ghat..a ritual bath consist of
chanting a mantra..going head under 3 times..and drink
some Ganga water..on the ghats you will see a whole
lifestyle...flowerselllers..kids playing..barbers..massage..
cremation..red cover over body is for women..
white one for males..only rich or middle class can afford
a ritual cremation..the very poor are cremated in another
way=electrical..near Harichandra ghat..
Benares is famous for silk,as well as Sanskrit study's..
a great University to study hindi or Hinduism..
but all together..didn't like Benares too much..
it's too hectic..too many swindlers,beggars,people who
want you in their shops,riksja pullers who overcharge..
I would recommend Sarnath=10kms.from Varanasi..
here Budhha held his first preaching..there is a great temple
ask for Maha Bodhi Society Temple..ask for Deer Park where
Buddha held his first speech..what a difference this place is..
with hot bustling Varanasi..take a bus from Varanasi..
I'll try to find some links..

Some links for Varanasi+the river Ganges..

P.S.Second link=great pics on Varanasi ghats


**posted by mariecstasy**

thanks for the links....lovely pics...esp of the temple

**posted by mariecstasy**

It's about time I post something again here
look at these 2 links..it's about travelling overland
to India...Afghanistan is not possible,I think??


i am dreaming of going to india with my boyfriend in some years.
i`d like to go by bus (i have one) like these guys do: http://auf-achse.blogspot.com/
they are on their way to india with their vw-bus. at the moment they are in iran.

**posted by Heaven**

Keep contact via this thread..
I'm going to post more info soon..
Peace to you..

I like these animals a lot..
I do sincerley hope they will stay protected..


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