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#1 LSDSeeker

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Posted June 22 2005 - 11:18 PM

First off, I will say that I despise the Christian Right, which I used to be sympathetic to. I find them intolerant, narrow-minded, judgmental and pushy. I also despise the Fascists, who have no respect for individual liberty, often promote racism through ignorance (it's no secret that neo-Nazis tend to be on the low end of the intelligence scale), and display the more primitive aspects of humanity with their blind nationalism.

I despise the pro-war conservatives who have enlarged our government while claiming to be for less government, and who are bringing the U.S. in deeper and deeper debt. Not to mention, I despise them for basing the war on Iraq on lies (Iraq was not linked to al-Qaeda nor did they, according to the U.N., possess WMD in recent years).

But I despise the hypocrisy of the left, which masks its aggression with human rights rhetoric. They often go on unfair witch hunts against "racists," "sexists," "fascists," and so forth, thus encouraging actual cases when people react to their excesses. They like to attack the character of their opponents (using moral rhetoric) rather than debate the issues (using the labels just mentioned).

I despise the idea that the government should take care of people. Of course there are exceptional cases and they deserve a safety net; as do the elderly people, who are helpless and infirm.

I despise the scientific obscurantism of the left, which denies racial differences ("race does not exist") and engages in specious reasoning that is music to ears, rather than the truth. I despise that scientists are afraid of not receiving federal funds if their views on race and other issues are not politically correct.

Again, the hypocrisy: it's OK to argue "who was the best communist," but not "who was the best fascist." I have learned to accept this as a social bias extending beyond this forum, similar to the biases important thinkers had to accept in earlier times that were beyond their control.

I especially despise how Republicans and Democrats are so much alike, yet people pretend Republicans are evil and Democrats so humanistic. The system does not allow for a wide range of debate, and the Democrats by and large supported the war.

It's almost as if the Republican-bashing is mindless fashion.

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Posted June 22 2005 - 11:43 PM

read what i wrote in that "my mom wrote a letter" or some shit like that thread. pretty much sums up how most of the left is
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Posted June 23 2005 - 07:16 AM

LSD

Well sorry man but your post seems pretty confused. It seems high on anger and low on thought.

I mean "They often go on unfair witch hunts…" and "They like to attack the character…" who are ‘they’ all on the left some on the left some part of the left? And do you think only the ‘left’ are involved in this?

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I despise the idea that the government should take care of people. Of course there are exceptional cases and they deserve a safety net; as do the elderly people, who are helpless and infirm.

You might despise it but why, what are your reasons for this dislike?

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I despise the scientific obscurantism of the left, which denies racial differences

What do you mean by racial differences?

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specious reasoning that is music to ears, rather than the truth

Can you give an example?

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I despise that scientists are afraid of not receiving federal funds if their views on race and other issues are not politically correct.

Can you give an example?

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Again, the hypocrisy: it's OK to argue "who was the best communist," but not "who was the best fascist."

If you want to tell us who is your favourite fascist is go ahead no one is stopping you, just as no one is stopping you from telling us who is your favourite communist. What is your point?

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similar to the biases important thinkers had to accept in earlier times

What present day thinkers are you talking about?

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I especially despise how Republicans and Democrats are so much alike, yet people pretend Republicans are evil and Democrats so humanistic

Please clarify.

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Posted June 23 2005 - 07:33 AM

all politicians suck, deal with it, and people get angry or at least tweaked and come in ready to fight because of the political idiocy on the outside, meanwhile you're seeing conservative bashing..... the conservatives are in power, it's what happens, they have been for awhile, most of the time I've been politically concious anyway.....


yeah they're the same, they pretend to hate eachother but to get some pork barrel funding to keep their ass in office they'll turn faster than can possibly be imagined, but most of the people who don't know that are either republicans who are going to vote under any condition or democrats who can't get off their ass long enough to vote...

I'm a left\independant, I'm on a more issue based system... but I'll have a tendancy to vote liberal because they admit they want big government, the right wing says they want small government but they have enlarged government more in their past few cycles of power than the liberals have since fdr.....

if I'm going to vote conservative it's getting to be a libratarian vote...
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Posted June 23 2005 - 11:26 AM

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Well sorry man but your post seems pretty confused. It seems high on anger and low on thought.

I was just bored last night, after having studied plenty. I come here and vent or see what's up to entertain myself. ;)

I mean "They often go on unfair witch hunts…" and "They like to attack the character…" who are ‘they’ all on the left some on the left some part of the left? And do you think only the ‘left’ are involved in this?

Yeah, I think all groups can go on witch hunts. For example, FrontPageMag.com (www.frontpagemag.com) engages in smear tactics more than any other Web site I know of. But my aim in the post was principally at the way the left has narrowed debates on various issues with political correctness; some topics are just out of bounds.

What do you mean by racial differences?

The lie that "race does not exist," for example. It used to be that very progressive anthropologists called such notions quacky.

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I especially despise how Republicans and Democrats are so much alike, yet people pretend Republicans are evil and Democrats so humanistic.

You asked me to clarify, but this seems obvious. I'd hardly call voting Democrat working toward progress any more than voting Republican. Democrats are for big, bureaucratic government, just in a different way: Republicans spend on the war machine, while Democrats want to redistribute wealth, which unfairly punishes the most successful in a capitalist society; and they like to create all kinds of wasteful social programs.

I'm just trying to bring some perspective. Are you a Democrat, by the way?

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Posted June 23 2005 - 01:14 PM

Democrats (liberals) piss me off as well, as do republicans (don't dare call them conservatives). Everything you said can apply to the republicans. Need I remind anyone how many DEMOCRATS voted for the unPatriot Act, for the Iraq war, etc. etc.
How many times has a republican attacked the character of an opponent? Any time that is done, that is because there is no legitimate means to attack their opinion (ad hominem attacks.) And how many times have republicans also justified war under the guise of human rights?
You want scientific malfeasance? How many republicans are for teaching "intelligent design" or worse in schools under the guise of "science". How many republicans oppose stem-cell research because of THEIR false idols?
You are right in saying that republicans and democrats are so much alike. I say they are exactly alike-they all tell the same lies to the same people to get the same votes. What REALLY pisses me off about the democrats at the moment is this: they have a unique opportunity to be a strong and true opposition party, but they chose not to. They chose to bitch and moan about bush, while failing to offer any viable alternatives. They chose to obstruct, rather than construct, and that is why we are where we are at today. They are weak and spineless and let the republicans do what they will. All this proves to me is that they truly are not different. What have we learned from all this-the only hope we have is in abandoning this 2-party oligarchy and allowing some true voices of dissent and ideas into the discourse. Otherwise, nothing will ever change.


First off, I will say that I despise the Christian Right, which I used to be sympathetic to. I find them intolerant, narrow-minded, judgemental and pushy. I also despise the Fascists, who have no respect for individual liberty, often promote racism through ignorance (it's no secret that neo-Nazis tend to be on the low end of the intelligence scale), and display the more primitive aspects of humanity with their blind nationalism.

I despise the pro-war conservatives who have enlarged our government while claiming to be for less government, and who are bringing the U.S. in deeper and deeper debt. Not to mention, I despise them for basing the war on Iraq on lies (Iraq was not linked to al-Qaeda nor did they, according to the U.N., possess WMD in recent years).

But I despise the hypocrisy of the left, which masks its aggression with human rights rhetoric. They often go on unfair witch hunts against "racists," "sexists," "fascists," and so forth, thus encouraging actual cases when people react to their excesses. They like to attack the character of their opponents (using moral rhetoric) rather than debate the issues (using the labels just mentioned).

I despise the idea that the government should take care of people. Of course there are exceptional cases and they deserve a safety net; as do the elderly people, who are helpless and infirm.

I despise the scientific obscurantism of the left, which denies racial differences ("race does not exist") and engages in specious reasoning that is music to ears, rather than the truth. I despise that scientists are afraid of not receiving federal funds if their views on race and other issues are not politically correct.

Again, the hypocrisy: it's OK to argue "who was the best communist," but not "who was the best fascist." I have learned to accept this as a social bias extending beyond this forum, similar to the biases important thinkers had to accept in earlier times that were beyond their control.

I especially despise how Republicans and Democrats are so much alike, yet people pretend Republicans are evil and Democrats so humanistic. The system does not allow for a wide range of debate, and the Democrats by and large supported the war.

It's almost as if the Republican-bashing is mindless fashion.


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Posted June 24 2005 - 12:55 AM

Jesus Christ. You summed up this forum completely. Love the post. Nice to see others still use their brain rather than believing all the mindless shit that is fed to them. There are some very intelligent liberals on here and I love having discussions with them. However the majority seem to be jackasses who only have two political views and can't form and argument to support either of them: Bush hates arab children and Republicans are evil. Bandwagon liberals if you will. Sincerely,

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Posted June 24 2005 - 12:59 AM

He's right though.
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Posted June 24 2005 - 01:02 AM

yep. that makes about 5 of us in these forums
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Posted June 24 2005 - 01:22 AM

LSDseeker, your thread-starter resonated with me. I, too, see a lot of bullshit hyperbole and surely a lot of hypocrisy from the left. A lot of hate that they don't like to admit to, as well -- 'cause you know, they're supposed to be the party of inclusion and love and all that crap.


The biggest thing I can't stand about the left is the insistence that the People are not qualified or trustworthy enough to own guns and be able to handle them for their own defense. The utter wrongheadedness that results in an anti-gun ideology is just baffling. It's factually and intellectually bankrupt, and they just keep repeating lie after lie about it -- the lies don't even sound remotely convincing, either.

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Posted June 24 2005 - 02:19 AM

btw for the record


redistribution of wealth wouldn't work......

bill gates fortune goes to everyone in the world, everyone gets 10 dollars (and right now the dollars weak, imagine how weak it'd have to be to prompt redistribution of wealth) and billy is left with ten dolars (from the 60 billion he had a little while ago)


the richest would be destroyed and the poorest would barely benefit, it would be a pointless gesture.......



I figured this would be one of the better threads to air this concern

I mean helping people on a 1:1 basis works, massive enforced redistribution wouldn't..... I've argued for it in the past for emotional reasons (I'm sorry but you guys are not the most loveable conservatives out there, escalation happens) but it's just not practical
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Posted June 24 2005 - 02:38 AM

whenever elections come up I do vote, but I always leave feeling like maybe I've made the wrong choice. To be honest, you just can't trust any politicians. They all want the same thing.... power.
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Posted June 24 2005 - 05:13 AM

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There seems to be a lot of bitching going on but not much being said of any coherent value.

Several of the topic raised here have had there own threads (gun control, distributive economics, ‘liberal’ Bushbashing, etc) or a thread could be started on the subject. The thing is just throwing them in like this seems petty. As I said the original post seemed confused and the replies haven’t added clarity.

Shall we see if we can gain that clarity?

We have had three categories set out

The left

Democrats

Liberals

Are these in your opinions the same or do you think of them as separate?

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By the way LSD I was born in the UK and an UK citizen and although some have calls us the 51’s state we do not have voting rights in the US and don’t have US political parties. Also you might find this strange but if the Democrats did stand in the UK they would be the most right wing political party in the UK system.
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Posted June 24 2005 - 04:27 PM

There seems to be a lot of bitching going on but not much being said of any coherent value.

Maybe, but there is bitching in just about every forum, and especially in the politics section. My impression is that you have taken offense at my post for some reason, and I am guessing it is because you identify with the left in some way.

Several of the topic raised here have had there own threads (gun control, distributive economics, ‘liberal’ Bushbashing, etc) or a thread could be started on the subject. The thing is just throwing them in like this seems petty. As I said the original post seemed confused and the replies haven’t added clarity.

Considering that a large number of posts in the politics section are attacks against the right-wing and especially Republicans without any arguments, I am guessing that the initial post in this thread struck a nerve with you.

Shall we see if we can gain that clarity?

We have had three categories set out

The left

Democrats

Liberals

Are these in your opinions the same or do you think of them as separate?

That's an interesting question, since many leftists disagree with each other and there are leftists of all personality types. These 3 terms above (left, democrat, and liberals) all have their own nuances but they are, in the U.S., very related. In general, in the U.S. Democrats tend to lean more to the left. I won't get into specific details, but I don't think it's far-fetched to say there are psychological affinities between the left in the U.S. and the left in many other countries. You can name them whatever you want but they are still the left (compared to other members of their societies).

By the way LSD I was born in the UK and an UK citizen and although some have calls us the 51’s state we do not have voting rights in the US and don’t have US political parties. Also you might find this strange but if the Democrats did stand in the UK they would be the most right wing political party in the UK system.

I heard that in the UK it's illegal to use terms considered to be racially or ethnically defamatory. If this is the case it would make my post relevant even for you, since I mentioned that liberals restrict the range of debate in their peculiar ways. Is it true that there is suppression of this type of speech in the UK? If so, how do you feel about it? In Europe there are all kinds of laws against "inciting racial or ethnic hatred" which have turned some countries into quasi-police states where certain ideas are taboo and many people live in fear.

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Posted June 24 2005 - 06:33 PM

I'll never vote for democrats or republicans. I can't stand either side...this pathetic two party political system has taken its toll on my anger level.

I used to show my support for democrats, until I realized most of those elected are complete idiots. How the hell did Howard Dean get the leadership position? He gives his party a horrible name, [one which they deserve right now].

I for one cannot stand this mindless republican-bashing on these forums. There's absolutely no substance when that quibble is posted. It's always "Bush is evil!" - Jesus, Kerry would be worse in office!
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Posted June 27 2005 - 05:31 AM

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I’m a leftie, I don’t hide the fact but I’m sorry your posts have caused me neither offence nor struck a nerve. As mentioned my complaint is that they seem confused and ignorant, which I’m not using in any derogatory sense but only to indicate that they don’t seemed to contain very much thought or knowledge.

I gave you the opportunity to explain yourself more clearly but you seem unwilling to do so even when you deem to reply.

For example you seem to have an interests in ‘race’ but I’m unsure what your opinion is on the subject because you have not exactly explained what your opinion is?

You say that the left “denies racial differences” but when asked what you mean by that you reply
“The lie that "race does not exist," which isn’t an explanation but only seems like a reiteration of the same assertion.

To me all humans are part of the human race, we are part of the same species. But there is within that group, differences, that some call racial. So I’m unsure what you mean when you say that there are those that ‘deny’ racial differences?

In an ancestral sense as a European I’m a bit of a mongrel, a mixture of different ‘racial’ groupings. The little I know of my ancestry it would seem to go back to Norman French on one side and Celtic Scots on the other but then things are not that simple. I don’t know if I’m more pictish or scotti Celt and then Scotland has had a few visitors so their could be Scandinavian or British blood in there as well. As to the Norman side, Norman comes from ‘north’ or ‘norse’ men, Scandinavians again but they were mixed with the French. But French comes from Franks which were a German people one of the many groups that flooded into the Roman Empire but even they just put another layer on top of the older romanised Celts. Anyway the Normans that moved to England then mixed with the Anglo-Saxons (more Germans).

Americans have similar problems with all the racial mixtures of different colonists, I mean there isn’t an ‘American’ race only a mish mash of different ‘racial’ groups that are citizens of the US, Canada, Mexico etc.

Of course people in the past have tried to pin down legal definitions of race, usually to underpin some form of apartheid. In the American south people that were clearly ‘white’ could be seen as ‘black’ just because a great grandmother of theirs happened to be black. I’m sure you would agree with me that that is stupid.

Anyway as I said I am still unsure what you mean when you talk of racial differences, if you are talking about looks they can become diluted over time if different groups mix and many have done. There are those that say people of different racial groups somehow think differently but I don’t think it has ever been proven.

So please explain, if you can.
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Posted June 27 2005 - 05:32 AM


I heard that in the UK it's illegal to use terms considered to be racially or ethnically defamatory. If this is the case it would make my post relevant even for you, since I mentioned that liberals restrict the range of debate in their peculiar ways. Is it true that there is suppression of this type of speech in the UK?

You say that debate in the racial and ethnical area would be restricted but at the moment the only person restricting debate here is you by not explaining what you mean by ‘racial differences’?

What kind of speech do you think is being suppressed?

"In Europe there are all kinds of laws against "inciting racial or ethnic hatred" which have turned some countries into quasi-police states where certain ideas are taboo and many people live in fear."

What is your evidence for this assertion?

What are the ideas you believe are taboo?




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Posted June 27 2005 - 04:35 PM

Balbus,

I would be more than willing to continue and elaborate on the points you discussed or thought there was a lack of clarity, except that I found your responses, unlike the others, both condescending and rude.

Race and other topics are fraught with emotions which can very easily create nasty arguments and bitter feelings. Perhaps you may not understand this, but I have tiptoed issues not to be rude, appear ignorant (which you already have decided I am), or to deceive but so as to not provoke unnecessary antagonisms. Still, as this seems like a pretty open-minded forum, in general, I would be more than willing to clarify myself if someone were to ask me politely or with genuine interest.

I gave you an opportunity to elaborate on your feelings about current laws in place in the UK, in addition to ones under consideration. You might find this article of interest (perhaps not, if your posts are an indication):

"New effort to ban religious hate"

http://news.bbc.co.u.../uk/4075442.stm

I did not find in your responses the level of impartiality that I would expect of a "super moderator." Then again, I don't run this forum, and I don't really know who you are.

Sincerely,

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Posted June 27 2005 - 05:31 PM

Democrats are not perfect, but they are a step in a better direction.

For those who despise the two-party system, don't worry, Bush is working very hard to make it a one party system.

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Posted June 27 2005 - 07:08 PM

Democrats are not perfect, but they are a step in a better direction.

For those who despise the two-party system, don't worry, Bush is working very hard to make it a one party system.

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Posted June 28 2005 - 04:58 AM

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You sound like you are trying to find excuses with which to evade an explanation of your views, if you have any confidence in your argument why is it you seem so reluctant to express it?

However if you really did find my post ‘rude’ then I can only feel sympathy for you since you must be such a delicate flower that life in the real world must be nearly intolerable.

And as to only replying to post if everyone is politely to you or shows you what you deem to be genuine interest, you just come across as some kind of spoilt and snooty prima donna.

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As to me supporting laws forbidding incitement to racial violence I’m unsure what your point is because I’m still in the dark as to your argument against them. I am in support of them with reservations, I think that they are unfortunately necessary but only if they are not used to stifle debate. It is a sorry fact that some people try to incite hatred to gain power one method is to attack a smaller groups, race, religion or beliefs. This is seldom about debate and is in fact it is more often than not about the suppression of debate.

For example the McCarthy witch-hunts were not about opening debate over the merits or otherwise of communism and the Ku Klux Klan were not into discussing the merits of racial diversity or tolerance.

As to the law you mentioned I’m against it since it seems unnecessary as much of it is covered by existing laws. It is meant to extend the existing blasphemy law to cover other religions , many of us think that the blasphemy law is a relic of another time and should be scrapped anyway. But even with the current blasphemy laws in place this is a country where ‘Jerry Spinger the Opera’ can be shown on TV.

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The funny thing is that the only one who seems unwilling to debate their views about race publicly is you! And I must not be the only one wondering why?

You say that the ‘left’ denies racial differences but I replied that I understand that there are differences but think they are of little relevance. I don’t understand what you mean by ‘racial differences’ because you continue to be unwilling to present your viewpoint.

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"I did not find in your responses the level of impartiality that I would expect of a "super moderator."

My dear LSD I will try to explain since you seem rather politically naive that in politics it is often a good thing to be wary of those that claim to be fair and balanced. There have been those that have come here claiming to be politically independent and impartial but have been nothing of the sort and thankfully most people see through such bullshit. I’m open about being a leftie and I have my own opinions that I will express that are based on left wing views, therefore people know where I’m coming from I think that better than someone pretending they are impartial. .
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Posted June 28 2005 - 08:31 AM

Balbus,

I don't think you understood my post. I am interested in debating just about any topic in these forums, but I am not interested in debating you. From what I gather you are not mature enough for a debate.

I am at a loss as to why someone who demonstrates minimum literacy would refer to others' posts as "ignorant," particularly when he claims he even lacks clarification on a specific issue. My first impression was that you were not a native Briton because of your writing.

And yes, a "super moderator" should have a certain amount of impartiality. This is not the same as saying that everyone is objective, but I have noticed that those with more intelligence tend to be more objective in life.

Again, I am not interested in debating you, since I don't find you to be objective enough nor stimulating enough as a potential debater.

Sincerely,

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Posted June 28 2005 - 12:22 PM

I think this thread could have been titled "why politicians piss me off" because your descriptions sound like democrats and republicans just the same...

And some of it was just silly...I have never met a democrat or liberal that denies race exists. And as far as thinking the gov't should take care of people....I don't think any of our 2 parties really have anything like that in mind (regardless what rhetoric either side spouts), although the left I believe has the right idea that our gov't should at least make sure it's citizens aren't starving and has the health care they need - the basics...if a gov't isn't there for the people of it's country then who is it here for?


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Posted June 28 2005 - 12:48 PM

republican bashing -- it makes sense... i can see why people do such things... but that doesnt mean democrats do not deserve to be bashed as well... its a good idea to shit on the whole system, IMO.
Most democrats arent really liberal, most of them are more moderate/conservative if anything... especially when you look at democrats as far who is in senate... NONE of them are really liberal. The left vs right scale is flawed, there is more than just "liberal" vs "conservative" and no not all liberals are stupid, and no not all conservatives are... in fact a lot of the extreme liberals and extreme "conservatives" have a lot in common as far as beliefs go... its just how they interpret/misinterpret things... Democrats arent liberal... they are just like the republicans... in fact neither of them are conservative either... they're just both Evil, because they are the ones who control the US government, which is obviously evil.

Im never voting for the 2 major parties ever again, hope that others will follow along.

anyone who supports the 2 party police state supports american genocide and therefore DESERVES to be bashed constantly, and all rude and negative actions directed towards those is much deserved

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Posted June 28 2005 - 12:55 PM

I have never met a democrat or a liberal that deny's that race exists.

Here is the evidence:

http://www.vdare.com/francis/pbs.htm

It's pretty common in academia to deny the existence of race. That was just one issue against the left in my initial post. Come to think about it, the clustering of various issues under one thread was perfectly legitimate, unlike what the "super moderator" has stated (from what I could read of his incoherent writing), because my criticism was largely directed at "liberals" as a whole from a personal viewpoint. Those who felt the post was too broad could have either ignored it or focused on whatever issue they were interested in.

Think about it. In libraries and bookstores it is common to see books published attacking or critiquing a certain political group. These books will thus cover many issues. Generally, you want to stick to one or two issues in a post, but there is no reason why, in an internet political forum, there can't be room for attacking a group as a whole, and the main (or more ridiculous) beliefs of such a group.

I looked at some previous threads the "super moderator" was involved in and I saw that there have been previous complaints against him for making long-winded posts. I will have to agree.

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Posted June 28 2005 - 01:42 PM

.......anthropologists won't deny the existence of race, unless they are really screwed up........
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#27 LickHERish

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Posted June 28 2005 - 02:02 PM

Nice source for your views there LSD, nothing more credible for proving a "scientific" (let alone political) assertion such as your racial distinction beliefs like a white supremacist organisation. :rolleyes:

Center for American Unity
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Long-time anti-immigrant activist and author Peter Brimelow is the president of the Center for American Unity, a Virginia nonprofit foundation "dedicated to preserving our historical unity as Americans into the 21st Century." On the surface, the center is concerned with promoting English as a common language, but a bit of digging reveals concerns that non-white, Catholic, and Spanish-speaking immigrants are polluting America.

This is most obvious in the foundation's VDARE project, which is named after Virginia Dare, the first English child born in the New World in 1587. Brimelow says that he once planned to bestow Dare's name upon "the heroine of a projected fictional concluding chapter in Alien Nation [his anti-immigration book], about the flight of the last white family in Los Angeles."

Reviving a favorite theme of early nativists and the Ku Klux Klan, Brimelow attacks 19th-century Catholic immigrants for being supposedly subservient to popes and monarchs, and thus incompatible with democratic self-rule.

The VDARE Web site also contains an archive of columns by Sam Francis, the immigrant-bashing editor of the newspaper of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens*. In his columns, Francis rails against the "emerging Hispanic majority," plugs conspiracy theories, and promotes white racial consciousness.

In April, VDARE took one more step toward the racist right, publishing an essay on its Web site by white supremacist Jared Taylor that dismisses "the fantasy of racial equality," claims the Civil Rights Act of 1964 "stripped Americans of the right to make free decisions," and says that "[b]lacks, in particular, riot with little provocation," unlike the far more peaceable white race.


http://www.splcenter...cle.jsp?pid=106

Makes one wonder why you take issue with fellow bigots in the Christian Coalition of the Neocon Brotherhood of Ideological Zombies. You have far more in common with them than you appear willing to admit to yourself.

Oh my our nation is being polluted by mongrel races! Shall we fire up the ovens now or perhaps wait until the Grand Dragon arrives with the bedsheets?
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#28 LSDSeeker

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Posted June 28 2005 - 10:49 PM

Nice source for your views there LSD, nothing more credible for proving a "scientific" (let alone political) assertion such as your racial distinction beliefs like a white supremacist organisation. Posted Image

Wow! Posted Image

I expected some knee-jerk reactions, but I must admit this is a bit fun. Yes, I did cite Sam Francis, but only to show that there is in fact a debate going on in scientific circles on whether race is a valid biological concept. So, you assume, because I link to Sam Francis, that I am ideologically aligned with him?

I don't know about you, or many of Mr. Francis's detractors, but I have read probably 75 of his essays so I know a little about the guy. I have about as much in common with Mr. Francis as with any random person in society. In fact, if it were up to Mr. Francis, I'd be in jail for my use and promotion of drugs for recreational purposes.

Makes one wonder why you take issue with fellow bigots in the Christian Coalition of the Neocon Brotherhood of Ideological Zombies. You have far more in common with them than you appear willing to admit to yourself.

I have a lot in common with neoconservatives and the Christian Right because I link to Sam Francis? Because I posted a link to show a female member something?

Oh my our nation is being polluted by mongrel races! Shall we fire up the ovens now or perhaps wait until the Grand Dragon arrives with the bedsheets?

I assure you that my intention is not to promote a Holocaust by criticizing liberals. Posted Image

I think you need to take some LSD.

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Posted June 28 2005 - 11:03 PM

I assure you that my intention is not to promote a Holocaust by criticizing liberals. Posted Image

I think you need to take some LSD.

lol nice
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#30 LickHERish

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Posted June 28 2005 - 11:58 PM

Ill pass on the LSD thanks.

As for your notion about race distinctions. I suggest if you wish bolster an argument on a scientific basis, you link to articles from less ideologically charged sites. Perhaps something along the lines of peer reviewed scientific journals would lend your argument greater credence.
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