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#1 Psychedelic Moss

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Posted May 30 2005 - 05:22 PM

I don't want to get into too much detail, but after much research and experimentation, I've decided to regularly medidate (1 hour+ each day) using Osho's tremendously helpful techniques and guidance. I was simply wondering, how will smoking marijuana affect my new level of awareness? Is is good? bad? is it ultimately up to me to decide that? I have my own theories of course, but I'd like to get a second opinion from a more experienced guru. Any help will be gratefully accepted. :D
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Posted June 01 2005 - 10:34 AM

Yes meditation with grass is awesome. depending on your tolerance to grass, you can smoke just the right amount to put you in this great sense of awareness, but not the groggy stoned out feeling. Be sure to burn the appropriate kinds of incense to make it even better.

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Posted June 01 2005 - 10:36 AM

there was a book written by some monks in tibet or india about meditation and marijuana... i forget the name of the book though... prolly coz of the ganj.
google it.

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Posted June 01 2005 - 11:14 AM

I've always heard that marijuana and meditation are not too good because marijuana clouds the mind. LSD and meditation is what I've heard is key.. but I don't meditate myself so I can't say I know first-hand.
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Posted July 08 2005 - 03:12 AM

I really don't believe in involving drugs with meditation or ritual work... drugs altar your conciousness, and I need to stay a bit more focused when meditating...
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Posted August 13 2005 - 04:44 PM

I find that just the right amount of bud is really good for relaxing the body, quieting the noise and stimulating the mind during meditation. For me, the best combination is a special blend of herbal tea and just one good hit of some decent bud and I can meditate deeply for about an hour.

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Posted August 14 2005 - 11:13 PM

I would say it depends on what type of meditation you are doing. I quit smoking for a while because I'm using meditation to observe my mind and penetrate into deeper levels that I'm not usually aware of, and if I was stoned during my meditations I would be observing my mind on pot instead of my sober mind. However if your meditating simply to relax or reach altered states of consciousness I would say smoke up if you want to, it will put you into a meditative state anyway and can be an excellent tool for getting into deeper meditations.
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Posted August 15 2005 - 02:23 AM

Meditation while high may well be fun, but it's pointless. If you want to get high, then get high. If you want spiritual development, then meditate. Conflate the two at your peril! Also, an hour a day is way too much for a novice. I hate to sound rude (and I don't mean to be), but if you're at a stage where you're wondering if you should smoke weed and meditate, then trying to do an hour a day is probably counterproductive. On what basis did you choose that time?

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Posted August 15 2005 - 03:30 AM

Yes meditation with grass is awesome. depending on your tolerance to grass, you can smoke just the right amount to put you in this great sense of awareness, but not the groggy stoned out feeling. Be sure to burn the appropriate kinds of incense to make it even better.

I would kind of expect this sort of answer from a 17 yr old (no offense).... When your priority in life is drugs over authentic spirituality, then mixing the two somehow is rationalized in being ok... But someone who meditates can and will find true enlightment w/o the help of any sort of drug.

I've always heard that marijuana and meditation are not too good because marijuana clouds the mind. LSD and meditation is what I've heard is key.. but I don't meditate myself so I can't say I know first-hand.

Right... LSD just makes everything better ;)


Meditation while high may well be fun, but it's pointless. If you want to get high, then get high. If you want spiritual development, then meditate.

Couldn't agree with you more...
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Posted August 15 2005 - 07:36 AM

Right... LSD just makes everything better ;)


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Posted August 15 2005 - 08:31 AM

I strongly disagree that smoking is pointless for meditation. I began meditating in highschool and before I ever smoked. I meditate both with and without smoking, and for me, yes, it provies a slightly different medium by wich to relax and focus my mind, but definately has its benefits.


I guess the bottom line here is that it is a personal preference and what is good for one person may be bad for another. I would say experiment and find out what works best for you.

I find that some of my friends use psychadelics and pot only in social settings to enhance their "good time". If I'm socializing in a large group I actually preffer to be sober and have loads of fun that way. I am more likely to use these drugs either alone or in a very small group/partner setting and often will emmerse myself deep within my head, and reflect with those around me and have deep conversations.

So different people react differently and have different preferences when it comes to the use of drugs.

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Posted August 15 2005 - 11:46 PM

I was once in this car with two of my friends who had just gotten blazed as shit. They spent 20 minutes trying to attempt to close a CD case, then another 20 minutes laughing about it. I am a mere novice, so I had no idea what levels of enlightenment and divine union they were reaching.

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Posted August 16 2005 - 12:46 AM

Fair enough - you're absolutely right about everyone finding what works for them. I think it's undeniable, though, that no-one's going to reach any spiritual heights (excuse the pun!) smoking weed. It may well result in all kinds of pleasant/relaxing sensations, but ultimately being high can only obscure your mind, not free it.

Clearly we have different views of meditation - I see the goal of meditation as the freeing of the mind from the fetters that we make for it, of which smoking weed is one.

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Posted August 16 2005 - 09:14 AM

Fair enough - you're absolutely right about everyone finding what works for them. I think it's undeniable, though, that no-one's going to reach any spiritual heights (excuse the pun!) smoking weed. It may well result in all kinds of pleasant/relaxing sensations, but ultimately being high can only obscure your mind, not free it.

Clearly we have different views of meditation - I see the goal of meditation as the freeing of the mind from the fetters that we make for it, of which smoking weed is one.


Hmm. I think our views on meditation are, indeed, pretty similar. I'm actually very surprised that so many feel similar to: "I think it's undeniable, though, that no-one's going to reach any spiritual heights (excuse the pun!) smoking weed". I personally know of many people who would disagree.

To each their own I guess.

There are many different types of minds out there, that respond in many different ways to pot. I have seen the "goofy" results, but for me and my close friends pot doesn't cause this. It causes a deeper focus, phylosophy, and closeness between us. And, as I have said, I have had some of my deepest and clearest meditational experiences aided by a modest amount of pot. And, as I also have said that I do experience a different meditational state while completely sober. For me, each provides their own contribution to a well rounded and mentally satisfying experience.

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Posted August 16 2005 - 09:37 AM

You may well be right; at the very least, you know your path better than I do. I know exactly the feeling you talk about - very well! :) I definately agree that ganja can have profound effects on the mind, but that's exactly the reason I don't think it goes with meditation; the aim is to free the mind, not cloud it further. I definately have 'insight' when I'm stoned, but what's the point in having insight that comes from outside of you?

Anyway, that's just my view; I don't claim any level of learning or whatever, so feel free to disagree violently! :)

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Posted August 17 2005 - 08:29 AM

I think the "key" to my personal point is the "moderate amount" of pot. I agree that being fully stoned inhibits clear and natural meditation. I take no more than one hit if intended for meditation.

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Posted August 17 2005 - 06:26 PM

I've decided to regularly medidate (1 hour+ each day) using Osho's tremendously helpful techniques and guidance.

Can you share these tips?

anyways, weed can help, weed can hinder. Depends on the individual, and the situation. Sometimes I feel much freer to meditate, it comes easier, when I'm high, but more often, it just makes me think like crazy. The good thing is, when you're thinking, you sorta become one with the thought (like you're supposed to), you don't fight it, don't reject it. But the trouble is later remembering how to do that when youre not high.
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Posted August 18 2005 - 02:24 AM

Yes, I fully respect your point. But to me, the effect the weed has is irrelevant - whatever it's doing to my mind, I don't want it to. Well, I *do* of course, because I love to smoke weed. :)

But I shouldn't, and that's my point. It's undeniably true that smoking weed is great, in a range of different ways. But that liking for weed is a function of attachment; weed, like any other like/dislike, is ultimately a fetter. My meditation is about cutting fetters, not rejoicing in them! :)

Just my 2p.

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Posted August 18 2005 - 05:11 AM

^that's true. But then, if it's there to be smoked, I say, go for it. Even an enlightened being should have some fun now and then, hahaha.
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Posted August 18 2005 - 01:00 PM

Cannabis is a great intensifyer of experience, so it can just put you quite spontaneously into a meditative state. But it does depend on your mind set when you smoke. If you've got thoughts rushing about here and there, it can intensify that. But if you're relaxed, and esp. if your thoughts are of a spiritual or meditative kind, it can lead to some quite magical spaces.

Just listening to music on dope can become a form of what hidu yoga calls dhyana, absorbed concentration.
When it comes to trying out meditation techniques, it can be a help or a hinderance, depending on the technique involved, and the usual psychological background issues.
But - it isn't a shortcut to enlightenment. It may be a help on the way - a little light shining, but in and of itself it isn't the whole answer.
I see it as a gift from the Divine. But not a gift given to all - because for some people, it has no effect of making them more meditative or contemplative at all.

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Posted September 10 2005 - 08:27 PM

I can barely free my mind when Im not high. When im high its going soooo fast it cant be helpful. except when it just makes me tired.
I say you should just try it and compare it for yourself.
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Posted September 11 2005 - 03:40 AM

I am strongly of the school of thought that believes that narcotics are a hinderance to these experiences.

During mystical practice you have got to be able to distinguish between what is real and what is not (in all aspects of life). All though narcotics may increase you sensitivity to extraphysical realms, you will not be able to distinguish between what is a genuine faery and what is a genuine hallucination.

I am also of the school of thought that mysticism begins with the mundane so you wouldn't need any particular sensitivity to the extraphysical anyway, not for a while.

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Posted September 12 2005 - 07:52 PM

by the way, moss, the buddha taught to never get intoxicated at all... maybe another thing to think about. Not a teaching for me... :) I think you said to me something once like, "Ask some buddhists. They usually know what they're talking about." so, maybe consider your own advice? but you've never really made it clear to me how much of that stuff you like to follow.
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Posted September 13 2005 - 01:47 AM

while getting stoned the other day I noted the similarities with descriptions of meditation. Maybe the descriptions of meditation were an attempt of the ancient stoners to describe the experience of getting stoned? And the attempts of meditators are an attempt to recreate the experience of getting stoned when they can't find any smoke. So maybe down through all the years of history things have gotten turned around so that all these spiritual seekers are spending years of training and discipline to acheive a state that can be attained simply by smoking some herb. A state that was attained and described by the ancients by doing exactly that(smoking the herb) but somehow the description(of the meditative state) and how it was attained(smoking) have gotten divorced from each other and now the meditators no longer realize that it can be attained by smoking also.

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Posted September 13 2005 - 03:28 AM

while getting stoned the other day I noted the similarities with descriptions of meditation. Maybe the descriptions of meditation were an attempt of the ancient stoners to describe the experience of getting stoned? And the attempts of meditators are an attempt to recreate the experience of getting stoned when they can't find any smoke. So maybe down through all the years of history things have gotten turned around so that all these spiritual seekers are spending years of training and discipline to acheive a state that can be attained simply by smoking some herb. A state that was attained and described by the ancients by doing exactly that(smoking the herb) but somehow the description(of the meditative state) and how it was attained(smoking) have gotten divorced from each other and now the meditators no longer realize that it can be attained by smoking also.


Maybe along with enlightenment comes a sense of peace and euphoria which can also be experienced by smoking a herb.

Peace and euphoria are BY PRODUCTS of spiritual awakening if this is the case. They are the added bonus, not the aim.

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Posted September 13 2005 - 05:08 AM

Peace and euphoria are BY PRODUCTS of spiritual awakening if this is the case. They are the added bonus, not the aim.


So what is the aim?

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Posted September 13 2005 - 08:39 AM

Spiritual awakening of course.

Or happiness, it depends.

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Posted September 13 2005 - 09:22 AM

I am strongly of the school of thought that believes that narcotics are a hinderance to these experiences.


Pot is not a narcotic as far as I am aware.

How does meditation differ from an acid trip? Just curious what people's views are on this.

Do you think anything spiritual or intellectual can be gained from a trip that pure meditation cannot provide?

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Posted September 13 2005 - 11:08 AM

Spiritual awakening of course.

Or happiness, it depends.

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Some say that both cannabis and psychedelics can lead to a spiritual awakening.
That has been the experience of many people.

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Posted September 13 2005 - 11:09 AM

Pot is not a narcotic as far as I am aware.

How does meditation differ from an acid trip? Just curious what people's views are on this.

Do you think anything spiritual or intellectual can be gained from a trip that pure meditation cannot provide?


Pot isn't a narcotic, you're right.

I think the intensity of a trip would be hard to get via any other channel. But who can say?