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#1 jdawg50

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Posted March 18 2005 - 11:33 AM

What are you thoughts? I think the big Pharma companies have done a lot for our lives, and in order for them to continue producing new products they need to make a profit.Not everything in life is free.
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Posted March 18 2005 - 04:58 PM

I agree. No companies of the past century have been more important to improving our standard of living than the drug companies.

Thank you for working for a big evil drug company. I might be working for one myself in the near future.
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Posted March 18 2005 - 05:18 PM

What are you thoughts? I think the big Pharma companies have done a lot for our lives, and in order for them to continue producing new products they need to make a profit.Not everything in life is free.

i disagree, i dont think we would need half the pharms we need now if it werent for the crap we eat, and anyways, what makes humans so important we need to prolong our miserable lives??? whatever happened to natural selection and letting nature take its course? and arent there enough humans already(and what are we doing that makes us so important or great anyway?)? shouldnt we spend a little more money on taking care of the ones we have already before we focus on keeping the rich selfish assholes alive? you know more people have died from starvation since the tsunami happened than the tsunami deaths alone, whens the last time someone was atta grocery store collecting money for them or sending my mom letters in the mail from the church asking for "the missions donations"

bill maher said "there is an axis of evil in this country between the food, pharmaceutical, and insurance industry"
and i believe it. our food is so packed full of toxins already it is no wonder we have a staggering health care yadda yadda, antiobiotics, pesticides, herbicides, preservatives, artificial flavors and colors, and god knows what else, when is the last time YOU payed attention to what you actually put into your body?
generally speaking the food we eat(and most of the 'medecine too!) is pure garbage, especiallllly if you are an average american on the SAD(standard american diet)

though it would be cool to steal some painkillers working for them...

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Posted March 18 2005 - 05:23 PM

i disagree, i dont think we would need half the pharms we need now if it werent for the crap we eat, and anyways, what makes humans so important we need to prolong our miserable lives???


Umm...because we can. Try telling a cancer victim undergoing treatment that his life is unimportant and miserable, and he should just die instead of receiving treatment.

whatever happened to natural selection and letting nature take its course?


Why would we want to do that?

arent there enough humans already?


So you're against medicine in the interest of population control? Why not just execute everyone on their 50th birthday? That'd reduce the population too.

shouldnt we spend a little more money on taking care of the ones we have already before we focus on keeping the rich assholes alive?


That's what pharmaceuticals do, genius.

you know more people have died from starvation since the tsunami happened than the tsunami deaths alone, whens the last time someone was atta grocery store collecting money for them or sending my mom letters in the mail from the church asking for "the missions donations"


Not that this is in any way relevant to this thread, but people have done that every day since the tsunami.
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Posted March 18 2005 - 05:25 PM

ROUGH. don't justify your doubts.

if it's fucking glaxo....do some fucking research!

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Posted March 18 2005 - 05:33 PM

So you're against medicine in the interest of population control? Why not just execute everyone on their 50th birthday? That'd reduce the population too.



read his post agin. you didn't understand it.

some human beings...don't only conside their own petty lives, and squishy deaths. some human beings think about the species as a whole..the planet as our provider, we...as it's humble thanks givers... thats an american tradition actuallly...ever thought about it?

look at the world from that view and then you'll see oh america..i'm so rich. and fat. and...o shit. heart attack. what did i do there?. ever consider the planets needs?, natrual equilibrium, relating to a human as a human...outside of bullshit power propoganda.?

nah... not 90% of humnas anyway. we SUCK!. theres nothing good about us right now.. we desrve out horrible deaths, and we desreved to die in that tsunami where we'd wrecked a conservation site with hoteals and casinos. we deserve to be ignorant fucks eating shit, taking shit, and being shit, knowing shit. because we are shit. it's boolocks, selfish, infantile bollocks. bleed...but don't admit it. oh fuck you ignorants! rrraaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Posted March 18 2005 - 05:33 PM

What are you thoughts? I think the big Pharma companies have done a lot for our lives, and in order for them to continue producing new products they need to make a profit.Not everything in life is free.


And I thank you, without a few of them, I would not be alive. And without a few others, I would not be comfortable. Kudos especially to coumadin, pletal, and albuterol!
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Posted March 19 2005 - 02:40 AM

hello again. i thought i need to metion i'd just done a 7 hour shift yesterday, i was feeling riled, and americans got the riling.

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Posted March 19 2005 - 04:19 AM

Wow, you make it sound like the pharm companies are just this big misunderstood puppy dog. Hey, they're just trying to get by like everybody else and look how much good they've done. And in retort to the millions who go without adequate healthcare you say "Not everything in life is free". Tough luck folks, the company is just trying to get by like the rest of us. And in case we're not sure about our doctor, we have plenty of information bombarding us all over as to what drugs we should tell them we need. I saw it on tv doc, that's what I need. That's why it's important to spend a few million dollars to let everyone know which drugs to take during prime time. It is of vital importance that the public is clearly informed as to what they should use. Life's not going too good, just take a pill. Hey you might have Adult ADD. It has nothing to do with your horribly constricted and stressful life. Nope just take this pill and the boys in the boardroom will be doing a dance for you because you can pay attention now and shape up. Did you know you might be depressed? Yep. You probably are, here's something to fix that. That kid acting out in class, got a pill for that because he's got ADD (eegads, no, shock, not that), quick rush him to the Ritalin factory pronto.... it goes on and on.

Sarcasm aside, pharmaceuticals indeed have contributed a great deal to humanity. There are good drugs out there on the market that have saved lives and prevented/cured illnesses. It's the current state of affairs that's a travesty to millions of people. The tactics used and the marketing are downright sick. They prey upon people in their weakest moments for profit. Not only that, but constantly repeating lists of symptoms day in and day out is only going to result in an increase in that particular diagnosis. Whether it's a real increase or not because people fall to suggestion. It's how advertising works. No, I do not believe that the big pharm companies are out to save the world. If they were they'd be spending money on actually educating the public instead of spoonfeeding it.


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Posted March 19 2005 - 04:46 AM

I wouldn't even know where to begin....

they "lobby" the govt to push poisons into babies... (generate and early market)... begin by getting the babies sick they got you coming for life then.... They LIE about the safety of vax, even going so far to getting riders in "homeland security" bills to limit any and all liability.

They keep pumping big money to congressmen to keep them pushing more and vax mandates... keep us sick and keep us coming back...

they create "auto-immune" disorders in order for us to keep coming back to get more drugs. they bombard us with adds all day... get em' young and keep them coming back...

do you know who sponsered the bill about getting all kids checked for mental illness... you got it... eli lilly and merck. Guarenteed income!!!

I have nor anyone in my family has taken a pharm drug in years. we have not done vax's either. I use diet and natural suppliements to strengthen our immune systems. I don't suppress symptoms with drugs. Symptoms are our bodies ways of illiminating toxins in the body...

you gotta a fever - let it run... don't pop an asprin. Suspression of symptoms is not a CURE. (cure is a dirty word) that is not the goal...

get them sick young and you got a market for life... create more drugs to disguise more symptoms... put everyone on paxil or mind altering chemicals.


legal drug pushers. They educate the doctors to push their stuff. They run the medical schools. A doc isn't tought nutricion - just push drugs!

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Posted March 19 2005 - 03:41 PM

Umm...because we can. Try telling a cancer victim undergoing treatment that his life is unimportant and miserable, and he should just die instead of receiving treatment.


Why would we want to do that?


So you're against medicine in the interest of population control? Why not just execute everyone on their 50th birthday? That'd reduce the population too.


That's what pharmaceuticals do, genius.


Not that this is in any way relevant to this thread, but people have done that every day since the tsunami.

i dont know if i'd have the nerve to tell that to a cancer patient, but the fact of the matter is
his life IS unimportant and odds are on his side that it IS miserable too. think about the earth in the huge scheme, like the one guy said, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of living things right now and throughout the billions years, and you think this prick deserves to stick around and do what, be a snug blind little american and eat away at smore of the worlds resources and rot his mind watching TV while others starve and live shelterless?????what good has this asshole done for this place? we have so much self importance, like humans are some amazing lifeform here to save the planet, and each life is sacred, fuck that, shit dies all the time.if life is so sacred, while are we letting thousands and thousands die everyday from if simple things like hunger? while we may be amazing we are far from saving the planet and hardly doing anything good in or to it in the big scheme of things.

i didnt necesarily say for medecine as a method of population in control, but in some cases if i ruled the world yes it probably would be, im a sick fuck what can i say.

and you think PHARMACEUTICALS take care of the thousands of hungry and needy that die everyday~!?!?? wake up and smell the roses man.

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Posted March 19 2005 - 04:38 PM

i dont know if i'd have the nerve to tell that to a cancer patient, but the fact of the matter is his life IS unimportant and odds are on his side that it IS miserable too.


One sentence into your post, and you've already shown yourself to be a moron.

think about the earth in the huge scheme, like the one guy said, BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of living things right now and throughout the billions years, and you think this prick deserves to stick around and do what, be a snug blind little american and eat away at smore of the worlds resources and rot his mind watching TV while others starve and live shelterless?????


What do you care if others starve and live shelterless? You just said "shit dies" in the most callous terms imaginable.

what good has this asshole done for this place? we have so much self importance, like humans are some amazing lifeform here to save the planet, and each life is sacred, fuck that, shit dies all the time.if life is so sacred, while are we letting thousands and thousands die everyday from if simple things like hunger? while we may be amazing we are far from saving the planet and hardly doing anything good in or to it in the big scheme of things.

i didnt necesarily say for medecine as a method of population in control, but in some cases if i ruled the world yes it probably would be, im a sick fuck what can i say.


There's one thing we can agree on: the fact that you are a sick fuck.

and you think PHARMACEUTICALS take care of the thousands of hungry and needy that die everyday~!?!?? wake up and smell the roses man.


The rise of the pharmaceutical industry has perfectly coincided with a rise in human lifespans. The places of the world where pharmaceuticals are most prevalent tend to have higher lifespans.

But I guess that doesn't matter, because "shit dies." Living for 18 years versus living for 100 years...no difference, right?
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Posted March 19 2005 - 04:58 PM

"Then they should do it (die) and decrease the surface population".


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Posted March 20 2005 - 01:09 AM

hell legalize all drugs and give them to everyone for breakfast. ha ha, I think that's the drugs speaking but oh wait, sorry those weren't made in a factory. Good lord I got em for free. Something that grew right up out of the ground.


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Posted March 20 2005 - 03:44 AM

the fact of the matter is
his life IS unimportant and odds are on his side that it IS miserable too. we have so much self importance, like humans are some amazing lifeform .


we could be though.... if everyone admitted their little life was totally devoid of meaning. that aspiration of trying to live forever on amphetamines, just to keep working on a multi million dollar enterprise...becuase you can't let it go.
I mean, what is missing there????
though, being brought up by america...you'd have a tough journey into self discovery when you do look.
how many free writers are there in that country????. theres none of it! it's a brainwash place, if your comfortable to stay there, thats your choice. but it's as far from the truth as you can get.
I thinkthe thing about america being a big enough place for you to get every wish fufilled is a double sided coin. You could. it's a big place. but it's got the swing of both sides...and the majority is in the 'worst' for want of a better word. I bet..there are quiet revoloutionaries though. I just wish they were allowed to speak goddamit.

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Posted March 20 2005 - 11:13 AM

hell legalize all drugs and give them to everyone for breakfast. ha ha, I think that's the drugs speaking but oh wait, sorry those weren't made in a factory. Good lord I got em for free. Something that grew right up out of the ground.


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Posted March 20 2005 - 11:46 AM

No, No, what you're talking about is an HERB.


Yeah, it is. I was a little out of it by the time I wrote that about feeding everyone drugs for breakfast. lol. yeah, I don't think the Cannabis plant has many friends in the pharm industry. I posted this cartoon in the mj forums but I'll post it again here because it fits.

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Posted March 20 2005 - 11:57 AM

LOL. I've seen a few shrinks and they always say that I use pot to self medicate for depression. I've had two tell me that I need to quit but that I'll have to be on anti-depressants for the rest of my life. NO THANKS! How funny is that? That they think a manufactured chemical would be a better choice. And the last one had the nerve to say and I QUOTE: "You should go down to the local herb store to help you quit, herbs are natural and have been used for centuries."~!!!!! And Marijuana is......?!?!?! Posted Image
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Posted March 22 2005 - 02:30 PM

dont you know the fda says only a "drug" can prevent or cure illness i wonder who put that into thier heads and the law!

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Posted March 22 2005 - 02:41 PM

dont you know the fda says only a "drug" can prevent or cure illness i wonder who put that into thier heads and the law!


Where has the FDA said that only a drug can prevent or cure illnesses? I've never heard that before.
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Posted March 22 2005 - 02:45 PM

ok jdawg you work for a pharmacuticle comp. i got no problem with a man making a living what do you do for them? have you had a chance to read their financial statements? how mutch do they spend on addvertising? how mutch on r&d or is the r&d done at universities and other instituions and funded by the tax payers through goverment grants how mutch profit is enugh while they dangle the teatment in front of the poor dying cancer paitiont that cant afford it even after he helped finance it

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Posted March 22 2005 - 04:17 PM

I work for one too. :(

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Posted March 23 2005 - 08:15 AM

i just think i'd rather not do that. I can't even sell ciggarettes in my friends shop. i just say no, wait till someone else comes.
i was really put off my boyfriends dad when he said he works for an oil company. and uri geller locating oil for comapnies. its just the evil thing to do isn't it?!
I know a 70 year old protester called jenny, and she still ties herself to the power stations every now and again, still, travels all over the place raising awareness on their schemes and lies. we talk about drugs and abuse, and useless packaging, but the reason i respct her becuause she has her own power to say whatever she likes. she isn't a hypocrite like me. and i aspire to be more like her, I know I couldn't be her friend if I worked for shell, or glaxo, or monsato. I doubt you'd make good friends there anyway.

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Posted March 23 2005 - 06:31 PM

[iQUOTE=cutelildeadbear]I work for one too. :([/QUOTE]now i never said it was a bad thing i just wish they could do buissness withe the comppaission ive seen in your posts

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Posted March 23 2005 - 07:27 PM

Where has the FDA said that only a drug can prevent or cure illnesses? I've never heard that before.

sorry kandahar but at this point in time i cant direct you to any place to back up that statment but i will in the next few days check back about fri and ill try and have links i still dont know how to do that though so i have to type it out and i only type with one finger so please bear with me im not fighting just want the truth if im wrong i will concede

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Posted March 23 2005 - 07:32 PM

but you still did not answer any of the questions i asked do you plan to ?

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Posted March 23 2005 - 09:54 PM

but you still did not answer any of the questions i asked do you plan to ?


Sorry, I thought they were addressed to someone else.

I don't know a whole lot about the innerworkings of the pharmaceutical industry, because I've only recently considered taking a job with one.

As for your questions regarding how much is spent on R&D, advertising, etc: The latest data I can find from Merck Co. is from 2001, so I don't know if it's still accurate. I assume it's at least roughly accurate, and the other pharmaceutical companies probably spend in similar proportions to Merck. But according to the data I found (available at http://www.anrpt2001.../financials.htm), Merck spends 77% of its total budget on the production of its drugs, 16% on marketing, and 7% on R&D.

I couldn't find any figures of the implicit costs of providing drugs to third-world nations for free or at reduced costs, but Merck is often cited by consumer advocacy groups as an example of a company with good business ethics because of its charitable acts.
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Posted March 24 2005 - 03:48 PM

I work in porn.

No, seriously. I do.

And I voted for Bush.

Oh well, so much for that stereotype.
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Posted March 25 2005 - 07:53 AM

ooopps sorry kandahar the qestions were directed at jdawg but thanks for that bit of research im still trying to find the info on the statment i made i just cant remember were i read it. hey how do you put links in like that it would make my life a lot more fun rather than trying to type things out ??

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Posted March 25 2005 - 12:12 PM

What are you thoughts? I think the big Pharma companies have done a lot for our lives, and in order for them to continue producing new products they need to make a profit.Not everything in life is free.


I dispense your life enhancing and life saving products every day!

Thank You!

The pharmaceutical industry is under fire right now, mostly because of media and political reasons. It is always intersting when I have a patient who has refused medical treatment all their life, and, after they finally realize it is failing them, come to love their pharmaceuticals. . .
Setting low standards, and failing to acheive them.