Dnc, The Russians, Intrigue, Suspense!

we should be...are we going to sanction ourselves. We should do something about it in the way of voting but 160 years later and the people still vote the same people in...Trump is the closest we had to an independent and we all know he could easily be the worst president ever. (When I typed in worst president my autocorrect recommends Obama...not even joking despite that being hilarious.) So if that happens I see another 160 years of the same.

 

What arbitrary standard did you come up with in your mind to determine whether or not a sovereign state qualifies as being worthy of not having their election interfered with?

 

LOL
what a bullshit question.
you know damn well what does or does not constitute a global major power.

 

A clear majority of the American people have demanded the government and mass media they call evil lie to them for their protection. I'd have to agree that claiming the Russians have Trump by the balls and hacked the election is definitely in the national interest. Its exactly the kind of Professional Wrestling bread and circuses the public has been increasingly demanding!

Obama and Hilary's biggest problem is the two are just way too boring. When people demand you lie to them you have to give them a line of crap a mile long!

 

You can say what you think is ethical. But I say it is never ethical to interfere with how other countries decide their government. The only exception being that we can tell them we won't deal or trade with them if they violate human rights.

 

What a bullshit statement. You know damn well my question was not "what constitutes a global major power?" You should reread my question twice if need be. That way you won't come across as someone with a kneejerk disposition.

For your edification:

What arbitrary standard did you come up with in your mind to determine whether or not a sovereign state qualifies as being worthy of not having their election interfered with?

 

Thank you.

 

but this is the statement you referenced when posing your question;

"The difference this cycle is that a major power interfered with another major power's election."

therefore following normal conventions of discussion, it appears that you are asking in reference to "major global power's" not just any sovereign state.
My misunderstanding on the intent of your question is understandable.

What metric would you use to make such a determination?

 

Wrong. MeAgain was implying that there is a difference between major powers interfering with each other's elections, and major powers interfering with--presumably--non major powers. Therefore, my question as to what arbitrary standard he used to determine which sovereign states qualify as being worthy of not having their elections interfered with was an obvious follow up question. And if you will take note, MeAgain had no trouble understanding the question as it related to his statement.

Perhaps if you would trouble yourself with reading the pertinent posts, I wouldn't have to explain to you why your statement was bullshit. And if you will take note, MeAgain had no trouble understanding the question as it related to his statement.

 

May have not. And that dosnt mean I agree with France meddling with affairs that wear not theirs...oh but wait. Helping the colonists were in the best interest of France. Just like helping trump was in the best interest of the Russians.

 

Maybe you don't need to understand why that surprises me, or why it surprises so many people. Maybe you just need to understand that we're surprised. I guess, growing up, you hear that the United States is the freest, fairest country on Earth. Then when you get older someone informs you that the elections are always rigged, always have been. And no matter how many times it happens it's still unsettling and you're still waiting for the situation to be rectified. It should be obvious why it's surprising to me that the DNC, which is supposed to be impartial, went all-out to make sure Hillary became the nominee I'm not a historian. I'm an average uninformed American voter. I'm surprised you're surprised that I'm surprised.

But yeah, any way you cut it, what happened was not acceptable, and I want public support in favor of overhauling our electoral process. I think Russia is small fries compared to the problems we already face.

That distrust was sewn by our political process, not Russia. It's the oligarchy that made this presidential race possible, and if Hillary had won we'd have all kinds of threads talking about how the election was rigged in her favor. The point is that the elections are rigged, and we're never going to have order in this country until we make them fair. You can't have order under illegitimate leadership, and everybody knows that neither Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton are the legitimate candidates of the people.

Most of us could see that the elections were rigged long before WikiLeaks proved it. When it was proven we were just like, "See? There's proof." And as far as fake news goes, this study pretty much sums up everything I have to say about it.

I feel like it should be a package deal. It should always be "What can we do about the United States' and Russia's tampering with elections?" And at the same time, we need to promote public opinion in favor of overhauling the elections here in the US so that they can't be purchased by special interests. Like I said before, the people don't actually have a horse in the race, and without one you can't expect the public support you think this Russia thing demands.

 

For me I see that our whole existence is being controlled by the mega wealthy. They have ways of infiltrating the "rule of law" and doing whatever will keep them in power. I have actually started thinking that our puppet masters are very akin to the mafia. With real power to suppress whatever gets in their way. I don't believe in the "Alex Jones" philosophy, but I lean towards the idea of a "Prison Planet".

 

You mean, like the Saudis? Yeah, why don't we go over there and save those people?

Not only do we not do anything about it, but certain Foundations even accept contributions from them, and then we give them great arms deals. So, instead of helping the people under an oppressive regime, we instead reward the regime.

 

I doubt people are even giving anything much thought, anymore....such as those who would discuss these things, intelligently, like here on this forum. I was forwarded an article a few days ago that people are getting their educations from facebook, twitter and reality TV these days...Not much to think about anymore for many people.

 

On the contrary, it is very simple. The decision to help free oppressed people from their oppressive regimes all depends on what's in it for US.