Fake News For The Great Leader: Readymade White House Propaganda Machine

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  1. Openmind693

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    We were just talking about this last night. I think there is going to be a "war" in the mass media to get at the truth of what TRUMP is really doing. These web sites that promote him can print anything they want as being the "truth". We are in for four years of something like a roller coaster ride concerning "what is really happening". in our country.

    http://www.salon.com/2017/01/03/fake-news-for-the-great-leader-donald-trumps-readymade-white-house-propaganda-machine/
     
  2. Moonglow181

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    OMG! Do you really need the media to let you know what Trump's agenda is?
    Haven't you observed the monster himself to know.
    He has his own agendas, kiddos and empire that he cares about period. he does not give a shit about anything else.
    He is a dictator.

    Do you really need to know what a child rapist's agenda is?

    Well, those can comfort themselves even when it is too late....At least, Hillary was stopped.
     
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    I'm going to take :The sound a Jimi Hendrix guitar pedal makes for $500, Alex.
     
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  4. Wu Li Heron

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    The last thing the mass media cares about is the truth. When the billionaire mayor of NYC arrested 26 reporters in one day not a single news outlet even attempted to sue the man simply because there was no money to be made. Hell, almost nobody even made it front page news because the public really couldn't give a damned about the truth either. All they care about is the money and the public is eating up his professional wrestling reality TV star smack talk. The media is going to have a field day trying to interpret what he's saying for the public and they really couldn't care less if their interpretation reflects anything remotely like reality. If anything, Trump may inspire the rest of the media to imitate Fox News and just spout whatever crap their audience wants to hear.
     
  5. Okiefreak

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    Whatever bad happens the right wing media, alt or mainstream, will blame on Hillary, Obama, the Muslims, and Black Lives Matter--for the next eight year or so! But when the stock market crashes,people are out of work, and the safety nets have gaping holes, maybe denial will get more difficult.
     
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  6. Wu Li Heron

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    One in five Americans insists the sun revolves around the earth and we just elected a man who insisted the current president is from Kenya. They really couldn't care less about the truth and the only question is what denial are they willing to support. If the money stops flowing they will no longer support whoever is in office.
     
  7. Okiefreak

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    And that one in five probably votes Republican, if (s)he votes at all--along with the climate change deniers. (The "vaccines cause autism" crew seems to vote Jill Stein).
     
  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I have an issue with the term "fake news". It's not fake news it's propaganda.





    Propaganda uses techniques such attacking an individual's morals, integrity, etc..
    Continued repletion.
    Appeals to authority.
    Appeals to fear.
    Appeals to discrimination and prejudice.
    Jumping on the bandwagon.
    The appeal of beautiful people.
    ​Using elements of the truth to construct a "big lie".
    Cherry picking.
    Black and white, either or framing of issues.
    Conditioning.
    Cognitive dissonance (the desire to support one's belief).
    The allure of the common man.
    Personality or "I'm famous" cults.
    Demonizing the enemy.
    Dictat, telling an audience what to do.
    Disinformation.
    Euphemisms.
    Euphoria, think of a political rally.
    Hyperbole.
    Flag waving.
    Gish Gallop, long complicate answers or questions to make the original question or answer go away or appear ridiculous.
    The P.T. Barnum effect.


    You get the idea...there's a slew of other techniques.

    There is no such thing as fake news...it's all propaganda.
     
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  9. Wu Li Heron

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    It reflects networking systems logic where, when you can't trust anything anyone says, the default is to organize hierarchically like a flock of chickens according to who seems to have the better memory. In forty years of research, the only reliable criteria anyone has ever discovered for predicting someone's career potential is the amount of working memory they have. A recent neurological study discovered that it was easy to make people question any number of simple facts, such as whether Walt Disney created Mickey Mouse, but when it comes to politics conservatives dig in when confronted with conflicting beliefs. The implication being not that liberals don't behave the same way, but that conservatives rely even more upon memory.

    While that might sound like an insurmountable obstacle, what it actually means is that their behavior is predictable and modern technology is about to catch up. Such a simple memory-centric systems logic is a self-organizing system that has resilience which can be calculated and overcome. In particular, it reflects the story of the Emperor's New Clothes where it was the smallest, most naive, and powerless among them that laughed at the naked man in the parade, finally breaking the spell. Left-wing politics have always used humor to their advantage and computers are about to leverage that advantage like never before. That's partly why I write what is called "The Book That Can Never Be Written" to explore the philosophy and mathematics which are about to explode onto the scene and usher in the next scientific revolution.

    Forget about the upcoming administration, if we don't figure out how to fundamentally change things for the better soon the entire planet is doomed.
     
  10. MeAgain

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    Psychohistory.

     
  11. Wu Li Heron

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    Exactly, it's psychohistory. Asimov was just playing around with the idea of making predictions using quantum mechanics and probabilities and admitted that it really wasn't actually feasible even on a galactic scale, but what he didn't know was that systems logic was about to change everything. Within twenty years computers should catch up with systems logic and make these kinds of calculations routine. In the meantime, the mathematicians and researchers keep making advances that all indicate it is entirely too feasible and national politics are about to become as transparent as glass.

    It's one thing to live in denial of the facts, and another to have virtually everything you do being predictable and made public. It's one thing to run around lying to everyone and spouting bullshit, and quite another when everyone's cellphone and home computer can double as a lie detector and bullshit detector that exposes everything you say for what it is and advises them on how to deal with the situation and that can even cracks jokes about it that will split your sides open and make people look like complete idiots on a national scale. It turns out the human mind and brain are both infinitely complex and much simpler than anyone had ever imagined. Obama's rope-a-dope of Donald Trump was merely the tip of the iceberg and what's coming will make it clear that people will either have to start changing for the better or get left behind.
     
  12. MeAgain

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    I don't know what Obama's rope a dope of Donald Trump means.
     
  13. Trump's presidency is like jumping into a pool of icy water. Can't wait to jump in there and get it over with already.

    I don't see what the big deal about propaganda is. The corporate networks have always been propaganda machines. I'm glad they're finally getting some competition in the selling people false versions of reality arena. I personally don't want the rich and powerful to have total control over what news is disseminated to the American people, but that's just me.

    The best anybody can do is to be responsible with the information they receive, whether accurate or not, which means not harming anyone else because of something you've heard or read. That's all we could have ever asked from anybody though. There's no way to stop rumors, and there's no way to stop different factions from construing the news in whatever way they want to construe it.

    The only reason it's different now is because the status quo can't control what propaganda we're hearing about our leaders. They can't control public perception, so they can't control who holds office and what laws get passed. Not to say that dishonest news isn't a problem, but the only reason the powers that be care about it now isn't because they're so against dishonesty -- it's because there's a roadblock in their quest for absolute domination.

    This whole "fake news" thing being spread around is itself, very obviously, propaganda. The very reason they call it "fake news" and not just "propaganda" is because "fake news" is a contagious meme that gets the public involved on a personal level, whereas "propaganda" and how to deal with it has always been the affair of governments. The reason there's suddenly such a problem as "fake news" is because the elite want public support for their crusade to eliminate any narratives that don't fit their agenda.
     
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  14. Wu Li Heron

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    Rope-a-dope is a boxing phrase to describe when someone puts himself in an apparent losing position, such as against the ropes, in order to gain an advantage. Ali did this to George Foreman allowing him to pound on him for several rounds so he could save his energy and come back for the knockout when Foreman was tired. The same strategy is used in politics with Obama, for example, allowing Trump to keep demanding that he show his birth certificate for roughly two years before releasing it to the media.

    Political Clowns
    The best political clowns are those none can find;
    The next best are both loved and praised;
    And those remaining,
    Adopt, any caricatures!
    As if joining some parade!
    And meandering downtown!
    Angry clowns, jumping around!
    Losing interest, in political humor,
    The majority become reliably gullible;
    Most voting, for the first clown in town,
    Who merely happens to scream the loudest!

    Patriotic Rotten Tomatoes
    When your politics are no longer funny,
    Stupid crap isn't considered silly anymore;
    Petty crap can become less of a joke.
    Any self-righteous hypocrisy, blatant,
    When the Patriotic rotten tomatoes fly!
    Burying simple comedy,
    Under mountains of crap,
    Where the light never shines sports fans!

    Rather than indulging the mindless mob of republican conspiracy theorists by providing them his birth certificate immediately, he let them have all the rope he could and only after the general public started to question the whole affair did he release his birth certificate and win re-election. It might sound trivial to win an election by using humor, but that's really what often works with the mindless mob who will often believe anything if it is repeated enough by the loudest clown around such as Trump.
     
  15. MeAgain

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    I knew what the term meant, I didn't understand the context you were using it in.
     

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