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#1 Aerianne

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Posted November 30 2016 - 03:55 PM

When will Julian Assange go free?

 

On 30 November 2016, the United Nations rejected the United Kingdom’s attempt to appeal the UN’s February ruling in favour of Julian Assange.

The decision therefore stands and the UK and Sweden are once again required to immediately put an end to Mr. Assange’s arbitrary detention and afford him monetary compensation. https://justice4assange.com/?rejects



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Posted November 30 2016 - 04:31 PM

That's just the UN playing their role as the complaint department for the US empire which pays half their bills. The British know who is paying the bills and will ignore any complaints the US tells them to. The case actually highlights why many conservatives in the US want to do away with the UN altogether and start cracking the whip on all the complaints. Its the best justice that money can buy and Assange's real sin is he didn't support money in a time when the average American is perfectly content to have their government trample all over their own constitution so long as they get some of the things they want. Americans just hate a loser even if they were defending everything their constitution stands for.


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Posted December 01 2016 - 10:46 AM

 

When will Julian Assange go free?

 

On 30 November 2016, the United Nations rejected the United Kingdom’s attempt to appeal the UN’s February ruling in favour of Julian Assange.

The decision therefore stands and the UK and Sweden are once again required to immediately put an end to Mr. Assange’s arbitrary detention and afford him monetary compensation. https://justice4assange.com/?rejects

 

Would that mean dropping the rape charge? I thought his "arbitrary detention" was self-imposed sanctuary from criminal prosecution.


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Posted December 01 2016 - 11:04 AM

Would that mean dropping the rape charge? I thought his "arbitrary detention" was self-imposed sanctuary from criminal prosecution.

 

 

According to what can be found on google, he chose to go to the Ecuador Embassy to avoid being prosecuted for rape in Sweden, and (according to google/Wikipedia) from Sweden, it will just be a hop, skip and jump for them to extradite him to the US...where he faces prosecution for treason.

 

So...I also don't understand "freeing" J Assange.  He chose this path.  

 

ALSO - Assange originally had 2 charges - for rape and sexual assault.  The assault allegation was dropped ONLY because the time limit had run out.  The rape charge still stands.  However, if he continues to hide away that charge will have to be dropped in 2020.  

 

I've always heard where there is smoke there is fire.  


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Posted December 01 2016 - 11:09 AM

According to what can be found on google, he chose to go to the Ecuador Embassy to avoid being prosecuted for rape in Sweden, and (according to google/Wikipedia) from Sweden, it will just be a hop, skip and jump for them to extradite him to the US...where he faces prosecution for treason.

 

So...I also don't understand "freeing" J Assange.  He chose this path.  

 

ALSO - Assange originally had 2 charges - for rape and sexual assault.  The assault allegation was dropped ONLY because the time limit had run out.  The rape charge still stands.  However, if he continues to hide away that charge will have to be dropped in 2020.  

 

I've always heard where there is smoke there is fire.  

Well, then...let's see...He will hide out and wait to be extradited here when Trump is in office, and that almost guarantees him a pardon, and then we get stuck with this bastard, too. ...and Trump's SWAMP keeps getting bigger and bigger. WONDERFUL!.


Edited by Moonglow181, December 01 2016 - 11:10 AM.

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Posted December 01 2016 - 11:14 AM

Well, then...let's see...He will hide out and wait to be extradited here when Trump is in office, and that almost guarantees him a pardon, and then we get stuck with this bastard, too. ...and Trump's SWAMP keeps getting bigger and bigger. WONDERFUL!.

 

 

yep...that's exactly how I see it happening.

 

Trump LOVES the swamp...as his cabinet picks reflect IMO... Assange would be a worthy addition.  He'll probably be named head of NSA under Trump.  


Edited by Lynnbrowngreen, December 01 2016 - 02:38 PM.

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Posted December 01 2016 - 11:14 AM

My thoughts exactly...another pick for trump's SWAMP.


Edited by Moonglow181, December 01 2016 - 11:15 AM.


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Posted December 01 2016 - 11:16 AM

hmmmm...i wonder how some people would feel if were one of theirs that got raped.


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Posted December 01 2016 - 11:26 AM

This article clarifies a bit:

 

Assange still faces potential charges of rape in Sweden — but no complaint has yet been filed. Most notably, he faces extradition to the United States — where it is widely believed he would be charged with espionage.

Now, Julian Assange has the unimpeded right to walk away from the Ecuadorian Embassy that has graciously provided asylum to the arbitrarily detained Wikileaks founder without fear of being arrested and taken into custody — at least theoretically.

Without grounds for further appeal, the British and Swedish governments are left without tangible justification for continuing to tacitly force Assange to remain secreted inside his haven in London.

But it remains to be seen what, precisely, will happen next.

Read more at http://thefreethough...FKH1w2F8IxP8.99



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Posted December 01 2016 - 11:32 AM

At this time, Julian Assange, Donald Trump, and Barack Obama are tied in Time Magazine's Person Of The Year Poll.

 

They are ahead of Hillary, but way behind Narendra Modi.

 

http://time.com/4570...l-results-2016/



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Posted December 01 2016 - 12:50 PM

 

 

I've always heard where there is smoke there is fire. 

 

Maybe that's true, but it's much less certain of a person who has "wronged" the US government in some way.  The establishment will do anything to smear someone like Julian Assange.  Normally I am suspicious about people who have had rape allegations leveled against them, but in the case of Julian...not really.  Maybe if he had some other charges besides that and treason, but it's highly likely the rape charges were a part of a smear campaign orchestrated by the US govt.  


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Posted December 01 2016 - 01:34 PM

I still feel like Julian Arrange is a hero for revealing all he has.
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Posted December 01 2016 - 02:14 PM

Maybe that's true, but it's much less certain of a person who has "wronged" the US government in some way.  The establishment will do anything to smear someone like Julian Assange.  Normally I am suspicious about people who have had rape allegations leveled against them, but in the case of Julian...not really.  Maybe if he had some other charges besides that and treason, but it's highly likely the rape charges were a part of a smear campaign orchestrated by the US govt.  

 

 

Just curious - so you think that the US orchestrated with Sweden to get women to make charges against Assange...

 

and the sexual assault charge (that started as a molestation charge) that wound up being basically null/void because of a time limit was just the start of this orchestration?  

 

The US would have to know years ahead of time that Assange would be behind the Wikileaks...so they started this undercover orchestration well ahead of time then...

 

edit:  AND this orchestration that began well before us commoners knew what was going on was done with Sweden.  

 

maybe the USA has a time machine somewhere.  :)


Edited by Lynnbrowngreen, December 01 2016 - 02:16 PM.


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Posted December 01 2016 - 04:07 PM

Just curious - so you think that the US orchestrated with Sweden to get women to make charges against Assange...

 

and the sexual assault charge (that started as a molestation charge) that wound up being basically null/void because of a time limit was just the start of this orchestration?  

 

The US would have to know years ahead of time that Assange would be behind the Wikileaks...so they started this undercover orchestration well ahead of time then...

 

edit:  AND this orchestration that began well before us commoners knew what was going on was done with Sweden.  

 

maybe the USA has a time machine somewhere.   :)

 

I'm not sure where you're getting your information.  Julian wasn't charged with anything until long after he started WikiLeaks.  He wasn't accused of anything until after he had already started WikiLeaks.  I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

 

Likely as not, yes, the United States has colluded with these women to trump up charges against Julian Assange.  I'm so tired of this "incredulous" routine.  We all know what our government is capable of (thanks in part to WikiLeaks.)  So two women who had been with Assange were tracked down and coerced into charging him with rape, either through mind control or death threats or some kind of material compensation.  Big deal.  That's our government.  I'm not sure why the US would have had to collude with Swedish authorities, though.  He was charged in Sweden.  The fact that there was a charge isn't made up.  The girls accused him of rape.  I don't think Julian fled to the embassy so much to escape the rape charges as it was that things were becoming so intense that he probably feared for his life.  Though do I think it's possible that the United States government can influence authorities in Sweden?  Well...yeah...duh.  What do you think the CIA is?  A bunch of boy scouts?  

If you really want to focus on where the smoke is, focus on pizzagate.


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Posted December 01 2016 - 04:38 PM

Pizzagate is some awful, awful stuff.



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Posted December 01 2016 - 06:51 PM

Google is a wonder search engine!  

 

You can go to sites RIGHT UP FRONT...good, or reputable sites.

 

Anyway, all of these sites will provide the information about Jullian Assange which come when googled with "Julian Assange and Rape Charges".  You can also look up lots and lots on information about his "stay" at the embassy.  Apparently there is contrasting information..

 

I just go to the search engines (MANY OF THE ONES) on the first page (which boil down to 3 or 4) 

 

My information is correlated  and has been amazingly consistent across the board! about the same with no tangible difference whatsoever- and the range is from since 2010 and up to 2016.  

 

But anyway ...I'm really not coming from an uninformed stance.  


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Posted December 01 2016 - 08:09 PM

Julian Assange allegedly raped someone on August 11, 2010. He released the infamous Collateral Murder video in April of 2010. So Wikileaks gained notoriety before he was charged with rape, not after..

 

I don't know if he really raped anyone, I don't see how any of us could know for sure.  I know the US government and other world governments had plenty of reason to frame him for rape at the time he was charged though.


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Posted December 01 2016 - 08:15 PM

I truly had found places indicating sightly prior dates of assualt; but when I looked again just now I see that yes...the video was prior to the allegations.  

 

I still don't trust him...but that is just me.  

 

It causes me to question what he has revealed and what and why...and I admit I wonder, for whom.  



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Posted December 01 2016 - 08:16 PM

Two things that have most framed my perspective on US foreign policy

Reading the Poisonwood Bible when I was 17, and subsequent research into the US involvement in the Congo

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The Collateral Murders video. Assange and Bradley/Chelsea Manning will always be heroes of mine for it, even if both are fallible heroes

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Posted December 02 2016 - 12:11 AM

So...I also don't understand "freeing" J Assange.  He chose this path.


He has been granted asylum under the 1951 UN refugee act. Which allows him free passage from the Ecuador embassy in London to Ecuador.
The UK police have surrounded the Ecuador Embassy in London, preventing him leavung for Ecuador therefor effectively imprisoning him.

This is the way the UK police always works, try to get a sexual assault accusation or conviction (or some other sexual misdemeanor, child porn on your PC, etc.) then chase forever.
The UK police tried to frame me for rape ..... the girl knew me, and phoned me up from her hospital bed after the attack to warn me, the police showed her a photo of me, and tried to get her to say I was the guy who attacked her. My brief (consultant for the EU court of human rights) said I should leave the UK before they managed to pin something on me.
(why did thy try to frame me, I had a complaint against 8 police officers, a conviction for anything would mean the complaint went away)
I have every sympathy for JA, these guys don't give up.

Edited by OldDude2, December 02 2016 - 12:20 AM.

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Posted December 02 2016 - 06:04 AM

He has been granted asylum under the 1951 UN refugee act. Which allows him free passage from the Ecuador embassy in London to Ecuador.
The UK police have surrounded the Ecuador Embassy in London, preventing him leavung for Ecuador therefor effectively imprisoning him.

This is the way the UK police always works, try to get a sexual assault accusation or conviction (or some other sexual misdemeanor, child porn on your PC, etc.) then chase forever.
The UK police tried to frame me for rape ..... the girl knew me, and phoned me up from her hospital bed after the attack to warn me, the police showed her a photo of me, and tried to get her to say I was the guy who attacked her. My brief (consultant for the EU court of human rights) said I should leave the UK before they managed to pin something on me.
(why did thy try to frame me, I had a complaint against 8 police officers, a conviction for anything would mean the complaint went away)
I have every sympathy for JA, these guys don't give up.

 

 

lol...you coming in to take up for Assange help make the case against him, for me personally.

 

From your various posts throughout the forum, hearing that you have had a sexual assault possibly hanging over your head doesn't surprise me.  


Edited by Lynnbrowngreen, December 02 2016 - 06:04 AM.


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Posted December 02 2016 - 06:12 AM

lol...you coming in to take up for Assange help make the case against him, for me personally.
 
From your various posts throughout the forum, hearing that you have had a sexual assault possibly hanging over your head doesn't surprise me.



The police accused me, the girl didn't. Who cares what surprises you, you probably think all men are rapists.
I've also been accused of stalking, child abuse, domestic violence, murder, attempted murder and arson ...... none of which I did.
Not to mention I've also been accused of being a dangerous and violent psychopath (which might be true, but I still deny).
The police believed me to be so dangerous that they were instructed never to approach me with less than three officers present.
The last time I was arrested, it took 5 of them to do it, funny how timid the UK police can be.

PS. I've always had offers of more sex than I could possibly handle (probably due to my undeserved reputation for violence).

Edited by OldDude2, December 02 2016 - 06:31 AM.

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Posted December 02 2016 - 06:20 AM

Assange and Bradley/Chelsea Manning will always be heroes of mine for it, even if both are fallible heroes

 

Just because they are heroes because they did something heroic doesn't mean they're or have become infallible. Why should they be? Because heroes are supposed to be? No, they 'just' did someting heroic. They're still human :P


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Posted December 02 2016 - 06:56 AM

Just because they are heroes because they did something heroic doesn't mean they're or have become infallible. Why should they be? Because heroes are supposed to be? No, they 'just' did someting heroic. They're still human :P

 

 

My question, Asmo - if a "hero" is also a sexual predator...does it matter to you if they are a sexual predator or should they be given a "keep out of jail free" card?



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Posted December 02 2016 - 07:31 AM

If he's guilty he should be convicted. If jail is the best punishment depends on the details (as with everything). I'm not aware of all the details here. For all I know he could have had sex with 2 women who afterwards were bought to say it wasn't consensual. But like I said I don't know in this particular case. 

 

To be clear I was only saying that a hero is still human. I don't expect a hero to be flawless just because they did something heroic and therefor have become a hero.


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Posted December 02 2016 - 07:50 AM

People are multi-faceted.

 

You could be accused of sexual assault.

 

You could be acclaimed as a hero for something else.

 

You could paint a masterpiece.

 

You could grow a master garden.

 

You could write a beautiful symphony.

 

You could raise a brilliant child.

 

Etc.

 

One doesn't cancel the other out.



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Posted December 03 2016 - 05:01 AM

That's what I'm saying. People think hero and expect something retarded. But one is usually only a hero for a specific kind of act. Does that get diminished when we notice they're just human? :P (I understand a thing like rape would of course, but an accusation of rape is not always. As been said it should as always depend on the details of the particular person and situation. Not some general principle to which an individual case get equated, and may cause particular details to be ignored. Like for example how certain the rape accusation is).


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Posted December 03 2016 - 07:54 AM

Being in hacking people's emails business for personal agendas is a form of rape, you know.....
I would not put it passed the man to do a physical rape, either.
I see his character as shit anyway.

Edited by Moonglow181, December 03 2016 - 07:54 AM.


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Posted December 03 2016 - 09:08 AM

Being in hacking people's emails business for personal agendas is a form of rape, you know.....
I would not put it passed the man to do a physical rape, either.
I see his character as shit anyway.

 

Is there anyone whose character you don't see as shit?  :rofl:



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Posted December 03 2016 - 09:09 AM

That's what I'm saying. People think hero and expect something retarded. But one is usually only a hero for a specific kind of act. Does that get diminished when we notice they're just human? :P (I understand a thing like rape would of course, but an accusation of rape is not always. As been said it should as always depend on the details of the particular person and situation. Not some general principle to which an individual case get equated, and may cause particular details to be ignored. Like for example how certain the rape accusation is).

 

Right; and in America we believe a person is Innocent Until Proven Guilty.






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