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#41 guerillabedlam

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Posted August 04 2016 - 05:23 AM

I am stating the obvious that the word time is ment for 2 different things. 1) it is the term used as a way to measure things (year, hour etc.), but 2) time is also something that is evidently occuring even if no one in the universe would observe it. How are we certain of that? Because things like erosion, planets turning around suns and change of seasons, etc. etc. would also happen without anyone/thing in the world to observe it/invent a concept for it. Now, even if we could credit gravity mainly for the fact that these happenings are occuring, the fact that a planet looks like this one time and like that some time later (due to their position to the sun, or due to erosion for example) even if there's no one to observe it :P makes it evident time (whatever it exactly is) exists outside human thought/concept as well.

 

Gravity, temperature and many other variables are involved in changing of the seasons...

 

So the obvious question is what is time?  :P


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Posted August 04 2016 - 05:39 AM

I wish the exact answer was as obvious as the question :D 


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Posted August 04 2016 - 06:37 AM

And there's real time, like the predictable propagations of atomic particles.  As opposed to our perceived time, which can be skewed drastically depending on our mental states.


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Posted August 04 2016 - 07:06 AM

2012 was supposed to mean that there is a tilt that the Earth does every 26,000 years.  There is a wobble and Orion sets every 26,000, roughly.  Ancient man used the sky as a calender.  They counted this as the largest measurement of time.  They counted the 26,000 years as era's, as they had no larger indication of time.  Of course visionaries are going to use these to try to predict man's behavior and the results of such behavior.



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Posted August 04 2016 - 10:06 AM

Time is also a way to measure things, but it doesn't stop there (obviously). There is both the concept of time and there is this thing like getting old and erosion etc. etc. which is not just a concept or measurement but just somethng we are all subject to wether we are a human, a dog, a worm or a piece of stone.

Keep on beating on something, and see how much quicker erosion occurs...has nothing to do with time...to state the obvious.



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Posted August 04 2016 - 01:40 PM

Keep on beating on something, and see how much quicker erosion occurs...has nothing to do with time...to state the obvious.


'How much quicker' erosion occurs has nothing to do with time? :P

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Posted August 05 2016 - 12:56 AM

LOL, but how much quicker???



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Posted August 05 2016 - 01:07 AM

I always used to wonder like, well why does 60 seconds equal a minute? Does it equal a minute? That's just a human made up equation. What if an hour isn't 60 minutes at all? A day here is 24hrs, yeah? But a day on another planet may last half that or 4x longer. So what's a day? Is it still 24hrs? :D

If it exists on earth then it exists elsewhere, but what if it's not time at all? That's just another human made up word/equation again. What if time isn't actually time. Hopefully by the end of this thread we'd have read the word time so much that it loses all complete meaning to us and then we can all sit here and ponder whether we just wasted our time or used it very wisely. Hehe.

Anyway to me time is just a buncha numbers. Numbers are just a made up language. 1+1=2 to us because that's what we've learned and that's what makes sense, but what if in another galaxy 1+1 doesn't equal 2? What if we've been wrong all this time?

Unless the human race has in fact encountered beings from another dimension and or another world, then all we have on this earth is exactly what we've made up ourselves, so that we can understand and make sense of things.

I once read that if you could literally travel at the speed of light you'd never age. And that people who fly around the world very frequently age less due to the fast speed they're traveling at. I was always taught that time ages everything. Archeologists can report that under certain circumstances and under certain environments, that you can in fact "preserve" time. Preservation is interesting to think of when thinking about time. The definition is to keep alive or in existence, but doesn't time contradict preservation?

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Posted August 05 2016 - 01:35 AM

It takes one year for earth to go around the sun. 365 days. One year.

Pluto takes two hundred and fourty eight years to go around the sun.

But we've been taught that it takes one year to revolve around the sun. But on Pluto, assuming you could live that long, you'd be saying it take one year still to revolve the sun, because that's what we've been taught on earth, because that's what makes sense to earthlings. That's what I'm getting at. Time and maths... (At least as to how we know and understand it) ... It's really only relative to us.

If light has a Mathematical formulation behind it, and light years undoubted can be measured in time and a black hole can suck in all visable light? Does time come to stand still, a stop inside a black hole? Imagine that! We all think anything entering a black hole will be devoured and destroyed anyway, but can you destroy time?

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Posted August 05 2016 - 02:00 AM

I always used to wonder like, well why does 60 seconds equal a minute? Does it equal a minute? That's just a human made up equation. What if an hour isn't 60 minutes at all? A day here is 24hrs, yeah? But a day on another planet may last half that or 4x longer. So what's a day? Is it still 24hrs? :D

 

That's why a day in the context of outer space is called an earth day. But as most people do not get in outer space it makes sense to just use the term day in the context of our every day life on the planet :P

 

It takes one year for earth to go around the sun. 365 days. One year.

Pluto takes two hundred and fourty eight years to go around the sun.

But we've been taught that it takes one year to revolve around the sun. But on Pluto, assuming you could live that long, you'd be saying it take one year still to revolve the sun, because that's what we've been taught on earth, because that's what makes sense to earthlings. That's what I'm getting at. Time and maths... (At least as to how we know and understand it) ... It's really only relative to us.

 

Earth year ;) Every planet has its own days and years regardless of human thinking. We just have the words day and year for it. A minute and hour are imaginary human concepts in all ways, a day and a year however less as they are really based on an actual passing of time (albeit ultimately only useful in regards to planet Earth as days and years are based on its movement and rotation).

 

About how time can be influenced by gravity like light, yeah that is mighty intriguing stuff!


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Posted August 05 2016 - 05:57 AM

I always used to wonder like, well why does 60 seconds equal a minute? Does it equal a minute? That's just a human made up equation. What if an hour isn't 60 minutes at all? A day here is 24hrs, yeah? But a day on another planet may last half that or 4x longer. So what's a day? Is it still 24hrs? :D

If it exists on earth then it exists elsewhere, but what if it's not time at all? That's just another human made up word/equation again. What if time isn't actually time. Hopefully by the end of this thread we'd have read the word time so much that it loses all complete meaning to us and then we can all sit here and ponder whether we just wasted our time or used it very wisely. Hehe.

Anyway to me time is just a buncha numbers. Numbers are just a made up language. 1+1=2 to us because that's what we've learned and that's what makes sense, but what if in another galaxy 1+1 doesn't equal 2? What if we've been wrong all this time?
 

 

Every post here is reinforced with a 'time stamp', so no matter how much we try to skirt the issue of time, the immediate side effects of time are staring back at us.

 

However, I agree time as we perceive it is mostly a construct of the human mind, it may be somewhat true with other dimensions as well though. For instance you mention the relativity of the passing of time on different planets and to further that idea, from my basic understanding, that what we see as 'solid' objects, if we could zoom in to a very precise level of the particles of an object, at some level, the objects would no longer be solid, as the particles of the objects are not touching in a way that they appear to us that make them 'solid', so how do we describe length, width, and height then?

 

Our minds emerged and developed out of a very specific set of conditions on this planet, so we lived that way for many millennia and it wasn't really until the past century that our understanding of time got turned on it's head so to speak.


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Posted August 05 2016 - 09:02 AM

Keep on beating on something, and see how much quicker erosion occurs...has nothing to do with time...to state the obvious.


Erosion was the wrong word. If he said decay...then you can beat on it all you want but the carbon would still decay at the same rate.

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Posted August 12 2016 - 11:45 PM

 believe time is relative, its how you percieve it. one person who is waiting go to the dentist thinks the clock is moving too fast. the other person waiting to have a party thinks time is too slow.



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Posted August 13 2016 - 02:19 AM

thats the perception of time, the actual clock moves the same for both.


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Posted August 13 2016 - 08:58 AM

you think it would , either built on a decaying atom or a wound up spring , a clock is constant. time is fluid it is still affected by movement. the whole universe is moving. ever wonder why some people age and others don't?. could be perception



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Posted August 13 2016 - 04:17 PM

come again? who dosnt age? name one person who has not aged? just one...of course i mean those that have lived as adults for more than 20 years. now that we have that out of the way...name one.


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Posted August 13 2016 - 05:33 PM

maybe you took that too literaly. seems to me people who stay stuck to one place and time in their lives age faster. let go the rope go with the current of time



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Posted August 13 2016 - 05:45 PM

ok the non literal rope is let go...fun to hear in this pool of individuals who may have or not have existed 


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Posted August 17 2016 - 04:01 AM

remember those experiments done with two clocks? one left at the station , the other on a long round trip? the other I recall is two lights, along a train track. an operator was holding a mirror configured so you could look right and left at the same time.when the lights were flashed,  there was a difference in the way the flashes were seen. maybe the speed of the train was affecting the rate of time. it might have something to do with the Doppler effect. that's how astronomers tell wether an object is moving toward, or away from the viewer. by the red or blue shift in the light rays.






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