Bernie supporters, are you still feeling the Bern, or just the burn after his endorsement of the Queen of Wall Street, Hillary Clinton?
Burning Hillary will not make her more receptive. She's not even close to as bad as Trump. He has no inhibition.
Neither. I supported Mr. Sanders as far as it was going to go. I saw things sort of Bern-out for him once we didn't win the California primary. Now I support Clinton fully; and for those who, like Pressed Rat, don't believe Mrs. Clinton is right for the job I say this: She's a much better presidential candidate than Donald Trump, at least in my eyes.
Well, I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton OR Donald Trump, and I don't play the lesser of two evils game. Basically what people dislike about Trump is the things he has said, but Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, has actually done horrendous things and is basically a murderer and a criminal who is in the pockets of the banking and corporate elite. If I had to say who is more evil based on their track record, clearly it's Hillary Clinton.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/opinion/campaign-stops/the-evangelicals-and-the-great-trump-hope.html?partner=msft_msn&_r=0 HOW have white evangelical Protestants — self-described “values voters” — become a forceful bloc of supporters for Donald J. Trump? A recent carefully choreographed meeting between Mr. Trump and evangelical leaders provided a window into the ways many are trying to square this circle. Most notably, James C. Dobson, the founder and former director of Focus on the Family — who remains an influential figure in conservative Christian circles — claimed that he had secondhand knowledge that Mr. Trump had recently come “to accept a relationship with Christ” and that Mr. Trump should be “cut some slack” as “a baby Christian.” The former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, an ordained Baptist minister whose daughter, Sarah, is a senior adviser to Mr. Trump, checked the “family values” box by testifying to Mr. Trump’s closeness to his adult children. Mr. Huckabee described their relationship as “one of the most admirable I’ve ever seen from any father with children.” But while Mr. Dobson and Mr. Huckabee strive to help evangelicals justify their default support of the Republican candidate, the Rev. Robert Jeffress, the influential senior pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas and a prominent member of Mr. Trump’s evangelical advisory committee, provided a more utilitarian motive for backing Mr. Trump for president. Rather than trying to defend Mr. Trump’s Christian credentials, Mr. Jeffress bluntly said that in the face of perceived threats facing evangelicals, “I want the meanest, toughest, son-of-a-you-know-what I can find in that role, and I think that’s where many evangelicals are.” Mr. Jeffress’s expression of acute vulnerability is key to understanding white evangelical support for Mr. Trump and the extraordinary lengths to which evangelical leaders are going so they can rally behind him. Leaders like Mr. Jeffress locate the threats to their security in the larger world around them. But the anger, anxiety and insecurity many contemporary white evangelicals feel are better understood as a response to an internal identity crisis precipitated by the recent demise of “white Christian America,” the cultural and institutional world built primarily by white Protestants that dominated American culture until the last decade. Today, white evangelicals are not only experiencing the shrinking of their own ranks, but they are also confronting larger, genuinely new demographic and cultural realities. When Barack Obama was elected president in 2008, white Christians (Catholics and Protestants) constituted a majority (54 percent) of the country; today, that number has slipped to 45 percent. Over this same period, support for gay marriage — a key issue for evangelicals — moved from only four in 10 to solid majority territory, and the Supreme Court cleared the way for gay and lesbian couples to marry in all 50 states. The Supreme Court itself symbolized these changes, losing its last remaining Protestant justice, John Paul Stevens, in 2010. A recent Public Religion Research Institute-Brookings survey shows the alarm that white evangelical Protestants are feeling in the wake of demographic and cultural changes. Nearly two-thirds are bothered when they encounter immigrants who speak little English. More than two-thirds believe that discrimination against whites has become as big a problem as discrimination against other groups. For discrimination against Christians, that number is nearly eight in 10. And perhaps most telling of all, seven in 10 white evangelical Protestants say the country has changed for the worse since the 1950s. By most measures, Ted Cruz, the son of an evangelical pastor and himself a Southern Baptist, should have been the evangelicals’ presidential candidate in 2016. But Mr. Trump won evangelicals over by explicitly addressing their deeper sense of loss. Mr. Cruz assured evangelicals that he’d secure them exemptions from the new realities, while Mr. Trump promised to reinstate their central place in the country. Mr. Cruz offered to negotiate a respectable retreat strategy, while Mr. Trump vowed to turn back the clock. For white evangelical Protestants, Mr. Trump’s general vow to “make America great again” means something specific. Mr. Trump stepped into the spotlight just as the curtain was coming down on the era of white Protestant dominance. Mr. Trump’s ascendancy has turned the 2016 election into a referendum on the death of white Christian America, with the candidate appealing strongly to those who are most grieving this loss. Mr. Trump instinctively understood this from the beginning of his campaign. Take his speech at an evangelical college before the Iowa caucuses in January: “I’ll tell you one thing: I get elected president, we’re going to be saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again.” He added that Christianity will be resurgent “because if I’m there, you’re going to have plenty of power — you don’t need anybody else.” How white evangelicals respond will be important for the future of the American democratic experiment. If their powerful feelings of nostalgia and vulnerability lead them to embrace Mr. Trump as a straightforward means back to power, we can expect, if he wins, more lawsuits and civic unrest, accompanied by more politicized churches and increasing political polarization along cultural and racial lines. If, however, white evangelicals somehow summon a response that is rooted in real acceptance of their decentered place in a new America, they may find that they have a critical role to play in the revitalization of our civic life.
There was something wrong with people. The genocide against the Native population. Claiming to have religious freedom while doing that. I would much rather see Native American drug policy.
As a Bernie supporter for years I have no trouble supporting Hillary. I don't like what Trump has said, what he has done, and what he says he will do. He's been given a free pass by the media but hopefully we'll start to see investigations into the charges of his two rapes, sexual misconduct, fraud, multiple bankruptcies, Mafia ties, worker abuse, and racial discrimination. Not to mention his refusal to release his tax returns. I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "basically" before accusing Clinton of murder (lol) and all the other suppositions you and no one else can prove and know have been mouthed by the Republican Swift Boaters for years in a vicious smear campaign built on smoke and lies. I'd say many kowtow to Trump and the Republican bull shit without even knowing it.
Further, as I said in another thread, the only hope for Bernie supporters is that Hillary beats Trump. Trump is so anti Bernie it is really hard to believe. If you want to any of Bernie's ideas get advanced you have to align with the Democratic ticket. Trump and the Republicans will squash everything Bernie stands for.
Well, she is a murderer and a criminal, but because the establishment is behind her, she is running for office instead of in prison where she belongs. By basically, I meant she is a murderer and criminal in all but name. When the average person is responsible for people's deaths, they go to jail. When they are responsible for people's deaths and they're a politician, they get a free pass. You say the media has given Trump a free pass, but those who support him would claim the media has been unfairly harsh towards him. I guess it all depends on where you get your news and what your political biases are. Left wing media attacks the right, right wing media attacks the left. Politics as usual.
Please tell me you're not that gullible. She has not murdered people with her own hands, but her actions have killed many. I mean, when you help arm terrorist groups and stuff, people are going to die.
How many American weapons during the Vietnam war ended up in VC and NVA hands? Surely some but it's not the same as directly giving it to them. I'll admit there aren't a lot of good allies in the Middle East to choose from! I think they learned their lesson about giving away MANPADs.
As said in other thread: Only because a majority of supposed progressive americans were so stupid in the early part of the election game. Now the only hope is very little hope, while it could have been so easily very hopeful. The majority of supposed progressive americans will get what they deserve with Clinton (and even in the worst case scenario when you guys get Trump, yes it's partly due to their lack of support for real chance). It's all on yourself, american voters. The same old will continue thanks to putting Clinton in charge.
It was a given he would endorse her if she in turn endorsed some of his policies. I'm not feeling the burn - he is doing a lot to start a grassroots movement and encourage people to actively be a part of the political process and to run for office. This will eventually be more important than 4 to 8 years of Hillary.
If enough people take notice of it, care about that and act upon it then it will be more important. 8 years of Hillary? Let's hope not...! Or she really has to positively suprise us. In both cases:
