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#1 newbie-one

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Posted June 17 2016 - 05:09 PM

Cold ground has been a significant problem for me when camping.  I've tried using an air mattress and blankets, but the cold seems to come up right through it.

 

Do you know of any good solutions for cold ground?

 

Some possibilities include a camping cot, an integrated cot/tent, and an integrated hammock/tent.



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Posted June 17 2016 - 05:11 PM

Sleep in the camp fire?

 

 

 

 

Wait! That wouldn't work quite right....


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Posted June 17 2016 - 05:15 PM

100% wool blankets underneath....Wool keep sheep warm....
IDK...just a thought.

Feather down quilts?

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Posted June 17 2016 - 05:42 PM

Put an open sleeping bag, outer side down to block out the cold, on the mattress and then your bedding on top of it. It was worked well for us. 


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Posted June 17 2016 - 08:10 PM

i don't have much experience with cold weather camping, but as a general rule i've found that the more layers of blanket between yourself and the cold surface, the warmer you'll be.  this method has been proven to work on the unheated waterbed at my parents' house, which would give you instant hypothermia if you tried sleeping in it without the bottom blankets.


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Posted June 17 2016 - 08:36 PM

Make Sure You  Always Take Someone To Sleep Under You...... :D

 

 

 

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Posted June 18 2016 - 02:31 AM

Air mattress won't cut it, in fact it's completely useless. Get yourself on of those inflatable camping mats (e.g. Coleman


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Posted June 18 2016 - 04:03 AM

The advantage of a thick air mattress (like the side you lay on 10 or 15 cm above ground) is that the coldest air remains under you. But the air mattress alone won't do it of course. But... it's better than a 5 cm inflatable mat in my experience.

Further, layers are naturally preferable because you can get rid of or add more (gettting too hot isn't nice either) just as it suits you. A good sleeping bag is better than a good blanket but an extra good blanket or sleeping bag underneath you never hurts. 

Last (but not least): I never had it or made use of it but one of my friends has thermo underwear and has slept like a baby at april festival campings when the rest were sleeping in our clothes in our sleeping bags. 


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Posted June 18 2016 - 04:18 AM

I've done a bit of winter camping. I remember camping in Michigan during sub zero January. It is bad when your sleeping melts through snow. You could probably find an army cot to keep off the ground. Using a sleeping bag actually rated for the temp that your camping in is also good. Army blankets under the sleeping bag and a tarp under the tent also helps. It's most important to stay dry. If your losing heat through the bottom your losing heat from the top as well.
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Posted June 18 2016 - 02:59 PM

Full length closed air cell foam pad with a high R value rating, 9.5 is the highest. Closed cell, is waterproof.

Here's one, there's lots of styles.

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Sleeping bag rated for the lowest temp you will encounter.

If not enough two pads or one closed cell one self inflating.

Wear clothes in the bag.

 

Small tent helps retain heat. A Eureka Timberline is an excellent self supporting tent that will last years. It's only rated for three seasons though.

 

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Be careful putting a tarp under a tent, you may wake up in a puddle. Better to get a tent with a waterproof floor and waterproofing about 6" up the walls. Then breathable walls with a waterproof fly.

Total waterproof walls just gather condensation and you end up wet.

 

I've slept in snow before with no discomfort.


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Posted June 18 2016 - 04:22 PM

Sleep in the camp fire?

 

 

 

 

Wait! That wouldn't work quite right....

This. I've been on a primitive wilderness course in Northern Idaho before. It gets cold and it rains and it snows but anyway... what we had were wool blankets. I'm not sure how well this actually works. I remember being quite cold on occasion. But thinking back, what Tyrsonwood says sort of rings true. I wish there were a way to just have a fire in the tent. Or a gas heater of sorts, or something like that. That would make it warmer for sure! Then I doubt the ground would be very cold because the air would be warmer. Hope this helps.


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Posted June 18 2016 - 04:42 PM

use a fire to heat up large rocks....dig hole...bury hot rocks.....sleep over warm ground


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Posted June 18 2016 - 06:36 PM

Just don't use sandstone rocks...


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Posted June 18 2016 - 07:13 PM

or wet ones



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Posted June 18 2016 - 07:56 PM

My sleeping bag is q rated to -40c even though the coldest I've ever gone camping at was probably more like -20 so I've never encountered this problem. I normally wake up sweating and have to undo my sleeping bag. Maybe try getting one of those reflective emergency blankets that are super cheap and laying that down on the air matress before putting down your sleeping bag?
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Posted June 18 2016 - 08:19 PM

I've gone camping 3 times during the winter months but in each instance I stayed in a cabin with a wood burning stove, however I found this online.

 

Sleeping Bag & Pad

 

In addition to a winter-specific or four-season tent, you'll also need a good sleeping Bag and Pad

While it may seem like it's enough to have a really warm bag, the sleeping pad is vital for providing another layer between you and the frozen ground.

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Be sure that your sleeping bag has an appropriate temperature rating, and consider also packing a sleeping bag liner to add a few extra degrees of warmth if needed.

To eliminate the amount of dead space in your bag, stuff your clothing inside at night—you’ll also appreciate having warm clothes to change into in the morning.

 

 

 

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Posted June 19 2016 - 03:14 AM

I've gone camping 3 times during the winter months but in each instance I stayed in a cabin with a wood burning stove, however I found this online.

 

 

Good info in your post, but that's not camping ;)


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Posted June 19 2016 - 03:29 AM

people do not realise that cold from the ground is a major problem. It is as important to keep the cold from the ground away from you as the cold air above you. if you can afford it, get a down filled inflatable mattress.  BIVOUAC sell them, but wait until they are on special. They inflate to about 7cm. Roll up small. Slightly heavier than some other options. If I use a normal air bed I put a few blankets between me and the air bed. A cold air bed soon sucks any warmth out of you. The other option if you have room is a normal foam mattress


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Posted June 20 2016 - 09:17 AM

i don't have much experience with cold weather camping, but as a general rule i've found that the more layers of blanket between yourself and the cold surface, the warmer you'll be.

 

I funny thing is that I've encountered this problem with summer camping.  It could be 85F during the day, and the air temps aren't that cold at night, it's just that the ground itself is freezing cold.

 

My guess is that in places with really cold winters, the ground stays cold more or less year round.



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Posted June 20 2016 - 09:30 AM

The ground is loosing heat all night long, it's colder than 98.6 degrees and continuously dropping until daylight. It will wick heat from your body as your body has a much smaller mass, and as your body is motionless when you sleep it isn't generating a lot of heat to compensate.


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Posted June 27 2016 - 03:10 AM

I have camped out in the winter.  I found that tweeking your gear before hand helps a lot.bag).

Like wool blankets (depending on your tent, drape the inside of the tent with the wool blankets as it is an awesome insulator.

 

Fleece summer sleeping bags (use one as the liner for your CW.


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Posted June 27 2016 - 05:15 AM

This. I've been on a primitive wilderness course in Northern Idaho before. It gets cold and it rains and it snows but anyway... what we had were wool blankets. I'm not sure how well this actually works. I remember being quite cold on occasion. But thinking back, what Tyrsonwood says sort of rings true. I wish there were a way to just have a fire in the tent. Or a gas heater of sorts, or something like that. That would make it warmer for sure! Then I doubt the ground would be very cold because the air would be warmer. Hope this helps.


There is the Zodi heater which sits outside the tent and blows warm air in through Ductwork but it's expensive and more to carry.

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Posted June 27 2016 - 05:58 AM

There is the Zodi heater which sits outside the tent and blows warm air in through Ductwork but it's expensive and more to carry.

Very nice. Newbie-one will have to get one of those!


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Posted June 27 2016 - 10:41 AM

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Posted June 27 2016 - 05:33 PM

I found that tweeking your gear before hand helps a lot.

 

i guess that warms you up for a bit, but i feel like you would have to tweek your gear all night to stay warm all night.  and eventually you'll just rub yourself raw.



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Posted July 03 2016 - 01:00 AM

i guess that warms you up for a bit, but i feel like you would have to tweek your gear all night to stay warm all night.  and eventually you'll just rub yourself raw.

When I say tweek your gear, I am meaning refining your list and your gear and in some cases doing a MacGyver with some of it.  Using the wool blankets helps a lot.  Depending on the tent, you may have to make a frame to hold the wool blankets.  Maybe the flexible carbon fiber tent poles they use with dome tents, maybe some PVC pipe, who knows.  One time I made do with a large sheet of 6 mil plastic, two wool blankets, several carbon fiber tent poles from a second hand store and some PVC pipe.  No it's not exactly backpackable, but far better than sleeping in a car, really.  Oh, and a sleeping bag.  That time it never got below 0*F, but it worked.


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Posted July 21 2016 - 09:08 AM

The problem with air mattresses, and I used one for a couple years as my full time bed, is that the air never warms up, and it wicks your warmth.

Going to closed cell foam mats fixed that.

Are you camping in damp? Cool and damp is worse than dry and cool.
A vapor barrier under should help.

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Posted July 21 2016 - 09:53 AM

I bailed on my original camping plans, so it's more general now.  I might go to regional rainbow gathering (if there is one) this summer, which might involve carrying gear 1/2 mile or so, but other than that, just car camping.






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