Everyone Loves Raymond's Wife Is A Horrible Woman

I can't believe this show was so popular and I guess the premise is you are supposed to accept is that his wife is right and he is wrong all the time. She constantly mentally and verbally abuses him and in some episodes threatens physical abuse. I suppose the physical part is supposed to be funny because she is a smaller women who "can't hurt a man".

For example in one episode Raymond looses his wedding ring. He is afraid she will be upset so he does not tell her while he is trying to find it. When she does she decides he "does not take the marriage seriously" so to "punish" him she will go to the grocery store without her ring and flirt with other men. She comes home in tears because no one wanted her. He apologizes for that as if he should have to. In the end the audience takes her side. He never tried to cheat or hurt her in any way. She set out to do exactly that but that is just ok? How would the audience feel if Raymond makes a point to tell his wife he is trying to cheat on her because she made him angry.?

Perhaps he did a stupid thing and lost an object that was an important symbol of the relationship but he knew it was important so he set out to fix the problem. This is textbook abuse. She flies into a fit of rage then when that does not work she is the victim in tears. Men do not abuse this way but women do. It's a long psychological game where they never take responsibly and convince their man it's all his fault. If only he was a better man she would not have to be so mean. Why does he make her cry? Why does he make her treat him so badly? She is a good person after all but she has limits. Often women like this only do it to one person because that is the only outlet they need. That way they can seem to a good person to everyone else. So the women often has a group of friends who take her side and really do make the poor guy think he is nuts.

The other episode that is a great example is one where they go to a marriage counselor. She gets furious because the counselor listens to him as well and does not blame everything on him. In typical fashion she is a totally different women then she is at home there act ling like a complete victim. When they get home she draws her fist back and threatens to hit him because he was lying according to her. As if she was not doing the same thing. The laugh track of the audience then plays. This is a joke to the people watching. How would the same audience feel if he had done the same thing. It's not a comedy then is it?

I am sure people will say I am overrating and yes I know women are just a special kind of crazy compared to a man's crazy. But I am also with a women who does not act this way. Yes she gets pissed off and I don't understand like all men but not like that.

I had a room mate like this once. She drove her boyfriend to attempt suicide in her bedroom while I was in the living room. He survived but all she could say when it was over was how inconsiderate he was because he got blood all over her sheets and now she has to buy new ones. She was the victim because of this. She was an angel and it was his own fault. She never even visited him in the hospital. He was not perfect no one is but I saw him trying a lot harder then her. And he never played any of these head games.

I had become friends with this guy because a lot of the time he was in the dog house for one reason or another so he would hang out with me while she would close the door to her bedroom and shut him out. He was once her fiance but after one argument it was a punishment to take that away. She used those words and that is why I noticed it on Raymond. A lot of these times she would make a point to make sure he saw her bring other random guys home to hook up with after that. Because according to her they were no longer exclusive.

Like she would tell him he could sleep on out couch and maybe if he did that long enough he would come back to her bedroom. He was love sick and did it. But she brought the guys home at this time. She knew what she was doing. When I see Raymond's wife I see my room mate. After seeing I was getting close with him she told him I was having sex with her. The truth is she had tried a lot but I found her unattractive physical and emotionally. Needless to say I moved the hell out of there as soon as I could. Right around the time she started hooking up with a high school boy.

 

What about Robert :unsure:

 

I don't get how her flirting with other men shows she is taking the marriage seriously?

Anyways, I see and experience some of this outside of tv too. Vindictive, "infallible" women that can give a borderline dehumanizing silent treatment for no rhyme or reason are rampant these days.

Here's a verse in a girl pop song that's always on which I think exemplifies the attitude:

I don't know if it may be due to how girls are raised or feminist ideology or what but for that to be kind of delivered so casually in a pop song is a bit disturbing.

Only other option I can see is that there are legitimate gender differences, it's difficult for me to take seriously ideas suggesting there are no gender differences, if one sexes emotional needs constantly need to be met without feeling an obligation to reciprocate and shoulder some of the responsibility in that department.

 

There was a while there with a whole bunch of sitcoms with the fat dumb husband and that kind of wife

That one with the mall cop guy and another with belushis less famous brother

I formed my whole opinion of america on those three shows

No that i watched Raymond, Family guy was a funnier version


Married with Children, that was a classic, wish theyd redo that

 

You mean King of Queens, Frasier, The Drew Carey show ............

Hotwater

 

Oh yeah Drew Carey show, she was a rag, and went on to play the same thing on Scrubs

And Frasier, dont remember the wife, oh yeah the maid, dont think I reallu got that far

You could count friends as well, Ross does some bar girl, Rachel craps on about it for like 8 seasons

Man there were a lot of shows portraying woman like that in the 90s, never noticed before

 

99.9% of what you see on television is mind control and social engineering, so go fucking figure. The same can be said for just about any sitcom of the last 20 years which masquerades as harmless entertainment while promoting some agenda. Hence the reason I do not watch TV anymore.... ever. I can't stomach the garbage.

Most men are walking stereotypes of actors you see on TV. And the same can be said for most women as well. Then people wonder why their relationships are so dysfunctional.

 

The problem with sitcoms is that in order to be "snappy, sparky and entertaining" dialogue has to be laden with insults and in order for the show to have any point at all, they need to fabricate extreme situations and tensions basically out of nowhere. Watching any sitcom objectively will always lead you to think "why the fuck are these people together? they clearly hate each other?"

Its also a lot easier to rely on stereotypes as a kind of characterization shorthand if you're a lazy writer. You don't have to bother writing a complex, realistic character if you can get away with writing a few lines of dialogue demonstrating that that character just conforms to one of your audience's pre-concieved notions, and let them fill in the blanks for you.

20 minute episodes do not a well-rounded character make, in general.

 

I enjoyed both Everyboy loves Raymond and (especially) King of Queens.

Yes they and most other sitcoms are based on stereotypes. All those comedies are parodies on and exegerations of real life. It can look like social engineering especially when it's another kind of show, but this is comedy we're talking about people. And you don't have to find it funny.

Funniest character in that show. But I am already a fan of his face/facial expressions.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_g_el8tniY

 

Patricia Heaton also plays the same type of wife on The Middle except that her husband (Mike...don't know his real name) isn't a complete idiot like Raymond. On Everybody Loves Raymond, I always found it nothing short of amazing that Ray was capable of maintaining a job, much less providing for the family.

Robert was my favorite also, and MUCH more handsome, witty, and overall a better person than the most precious Ray...so why in the world he was pictured as having such trouble with finding and keeping a woman was baffling.

Yeah, comedies are all about stereotypes...but sometimes enough is enough, even with that.

If I had to live anywhere near a horrible mother-in-law like Marie (in Everybody Loves Raymond), I would probably go on a shooting rampage or something.

I can only watch Friends in teeny doses, and that is when nothing else is on tv but "reality" (scripted) shows or infomercials...

 

Maybe Rat is confusing Everybody loves Raymond with glamour 'reality' tv like the Kardashians? At least there would be some truth in it then, at least at certain places/about certain kind of people. It stil sounds like he is exaggerating things though. Of course (some) people are letting themselves get influenced by tv, but the reason these charicatures are on tv in the first place is not because of soclal engineering or an urge to mind control people into something like it but because they are based on generalisations and stereotypes that already exist in real life.

 

Anything with canned laughter is indicative of NO talent writers. It seems too, that most if not all the main story lines revolve around someone lying to someone else. Raymond and shlubs like his character don't have a trace of a ballsack. Stereotypes have always been relied on for story lines and it does seem as if the men in stereotypical situations are always lying and tiptoeing around their women as if they were little boys. Who writes all that crap? I remember back to Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman with no laugh track and I enjoyed it much more than these modern sitcoms.

We just got a TV station that shows programs from the 50s--60s like (oh, I hate to even let these words pass my lips)---Gilligans Island, Laverne and Shirley, Happy Days, etc. Oh man---what absolutely HORRIBLE TV! Two broke Girls------makes me invoke the name of a deity-----godawful!!!!

And by the way--that woman that played Raymonds wife is a hard core republican IRL.

 

I never watched ths show. the woman role sounds horrible, though.

 

annoying mother that comes over unannounced

child actor on ELR killed himself a few months ago

 

no...I do not agree

 

I liked that show, but I always thought Debra was kind of a bitch sometimes.
Frank and Robert were the best.

You know who's a real bitch though? Penny from TBBT (even though everyone on that show is annoying, especially Amy and Sheldon).
It's like Leonard should be eternally grateful that he gets to be with her, when in fact she's just an unsuccessful actress, a slob and kind of dumb. She's not even that nice. Okay, she's good looking, but still...
But it's always like that in TV shows, the guy has to be grateful that the female gives him the time of day.

 

One of those guys so tall, you cant really tell if he is ugly or not. Maybe thats not the best way to describe it, he was good looking. More like you just get blinded by the tree in front of you, pay attention to detail, you know what I mean..yeah ya do