Donald Trump

This is one case where I'm glad democracy is dead. The GOP isn't yet desperate enough to run someone who is essentially an independent trying for legitimacy by pretending to be a Republican. They didn't run Ron Paul and they're not going to run Trump. As much as prominent members continue to embarrass the party, none of their presidential candidates have ever been true circus acts... they're moderates trying to say the right things to get elected, and then it's business as usual in country where government is far too weak to ever really do anything except support the corporations.

If Trump does get elected, he's going to get a rude awakening... politics isn't the same thing as big business, and you actually have to work WITH people instead of just bossing everyone around.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/20/politics/trump-announcement-speech/

The shit would hit the fan!

 

So wait, are illegal immigrants marching into this country with guns drawn forcing people to give them jobs? Or are businesses voluntarily employing them over American citizens because profit is the bottom line at the expense of the America worker?

I feel like anyone who truly cares about this issue would be advocating huge fines or even seizures for any business employing illegal immigrants, not wasting their time railing against some of the poorest and most desperate people in the world.

 

if we opened the flood gates and they couldn't find jobs they would go back home.

this is really more of an issue of globalization. Corporations love cheap labor and they can draw on it from any third world country they want - it isn't really that there is a large supply of very cheap labor, but rather there is a very high demand for it. If they weren't finding the labor pool in Mexico and central America they would just find it somewhere else.

 

That's con propaganda to discourage liberal voters from voting, like last year. Bet it don't work next year.

 

We're already there. Net immigration over the last several years has been at or near zero.

But... a national border without viable security is an absurd concept to me. We have to do better.

 

What?? Where are you getting this from???

I guess either you trust the government's numbers or you don't. I guess I don't.

 

If the situation in the USA is at least as good as where they came from it is likely that a certain amount won't go back home, job or not.

 

Yup. Why have a job when you can just get freebies from the government (i.e. the US taxpayer)?

 

you really can't just write off all the world's problems by saying "oh that was the cons."

tupac's dead, it was the cons.

my team lost the super bowl, it was the cons.

my milk spoiled in the fridge, it was the cons.

 

LOL, right?

I assume he's just being a troll. Or so I would hope is the case.

 

I dont really believe this for those who come specifically to work. For those who come to escape violent situations, sure, squatting under a bridge or hanging out in a deportation center is probably preferable. But those who come looking for work come so they can send money back to their family. I dont think they would choose to live away from their family if they weren't helping them. The united states is not the big welfare state some say it is. Without a social security number you can't qualify for food stamps, section 8 housing, entitlements of any kind really. As far as healthcare all you can do is go to the emergency room so I find it hard to believe people come here for our healthcare. Its all about the benjamins, basically.

 

lol

 

If two big parties benefit from this two party system the propaganda that helps lowering the chances of some real change through voting might come from both those 2 parties Although I can't believe this would be done in an obvious way (so it would be done just secretly or very subtile) because it seems to go against what a proper functioning democracy is supposed to be about. Which would make it ironical and hypocritical for a government or political party to advocate not voting at all...

 

Earlier, I meant to say specifically Mexican immigration. I'm sure there is a net positive number from the Far East, for example; mostly high skill people.

During the last economic downturn, net Mexican immigration was actually less than zero for a while.

^^ this ^^

 

Can we get back to Donald Trump?

So farmerdon, or anyone else for that matter, are you considering voting for him?

 

We've been talking about his favorite subject in campaign speeches. He really is obsessed with immigration and border security.

 

Funny how the cons have been blaming everything on Obama since the day he took office. The Iraq war, the collapsed economy, the national debt, ISIS, Iran, healthcare, Benghazi, Social Security.

But all of those problems were caused by the cons. Raygun tripled the national debt. Shrub daddy doubled it again in only four years. Clinton balanced the budget, which Shrub Jr. destroyed in his first six months giving $3 trillion in welfare to millionaires. Then Shrub Jr. doubled the debt yet again adding more than all presidents together in the history of the U.S.. And he destroyed the whole U.S.and global economies. AND HE DID IT WITH A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS.

But you say I can't blame the cons. Only a con would say that.

 

Not that Trump's doing anything except catering to fascists who think they aren't, but it's amazing how few people understand that Obama's amnesty for illegals order was primarily about saving money.

It's going to cost everyone $200 billion to deport all illegal immigrants... is Trump going to pay for some of that? Is he going to raise taxes on the rich?

I'm not holding my breath.

 

So you're saying you wouldn't vote for Donald Trump!

 

Trump is a fucking moron...

 

Trump plays the game of leading blind sentiments. The vote plays the game of toying with hopes. Voting does not influence policy but serves as a lottery for the right to say, I got satisfaction. However we see it is more like buying a bar of soap for a dollar with the promise that you might find a prize of five. Even if you do find five dollars in the bar of soap it will be spent and you are left with a bar of soap and the grind of daily life to contend with.