What If The System Crashed

Found this program today called Mr. Robot about a hacker who watches the world of capitlism and wage slavery revolt

Think about our use of energy for a moment, currently it all relies on the hands of very wealthy oil companies. Stigma has been put across to place alternative renewable energies as a weaker substitute. This however is no longer the case. Solar alone could be used to power the world as it currently functions and at higher capicity. And in fact, solar has been a big employer of industry while oil has been cutting their lower personal. It's very obviosuly our next step, so why are we taking so long to use it? The amount of power the sun produces in earth's atmosphere (mind you this does not equate the majority of the sun's energy in space itself) in one day is enough to power the globe for one year.

Lots of false claims have been shaped to think of solar energy as weak. Like a clouding shading the sun and your device turning off. But people don't realize, solar is from UV radiation, which is actually increased by cloud coverage. One of the biggest obstacles with solar used to be storing back up energy. A reserve, a battery, a way to keep the power you collect and being able to utiliize in another time. Well this too is solved. So again, why the slow motion to market?

People need to undesrstand the value of energy, and then maybe a revolution can start. The truth is, at 7 billion people, and oil, we don't have enough resources to feed, house, and transport people equally. There's a heigharchy in place with this system, because you can literally own more power than someone else. But solar takes away an entire empire. We have the technology for a better life, one where everybody has the energy needed to live comfortable sustainable lives. So why do we deny ourselves these priviliages?

 

because its bad for "business"?

 

The powers that be have long thwarted better energy and materials alternatives for the sake of the bottom line. look at the quashing of Nikola Tesla's work. Look at how the lumber industry shut down industrial hemp. Look at how prohibition got passed through an alcoholic congress so that the oil companies could dominate as the energy source for the automotive industry. Bottom line is it doesn't matter how good of an idea something is, if it doesn't make someone perpetually rich it will never be realized.

 

Solar isnt really free energy, the rare metals used in those batteries ; some have seen there costs sky rocket, some the world will probably run out of before we run out of

We really need some kind of organic / biological way to store that energy, without reliance on rare metals, copy the way plants do it, but far more efficent. Then solar will take .

Probably still 50 years away

 

Yes, but I think it could happen faster if more money was put towards better battery and solar cell technology. But what if everyone got solar panels or wind generators on their houses and could pump power back on the grid? Then there would be no need for a grid and the energy companies would go out of business. It's that reason why I think it will never take off.

There's an interesting book i have called "The Phoenix Project" about getting America off of fossil and nuclear energy. The first edition of the book has been around since the 80's I believe (now in its second edition.) But once again it won't make the right people rich enough so that's probably why it hasn't happened.

 

This too is solved, I assume you might be talking of tesla's popular lithium ion based batteries which does require some limited resources to produce, hard to recycle, and well lithium ion has a tendency to explode if meddled with incorrectly
Aluminum ion is already functional, cheap to produce, easy to recycle.

That is in fact my point of this post, all of the evidence is now here that solar alone could take out oil. I haven't even once mentioned other forms of energy which can be added on top, from geo-thermal, wind, wave turbine, etc.

It's cheaper to produce solar than it is to dig up national parks and ocean. You always hear "save the rainforests" but did you know the air we breathe is primarily from algae found in our oceans? We are constantly spilling oil in our ocean of water, food, air. Maybe it's time to stop using money, because it's clearly not made for the best of us

 

Nice one. It's rigged and ALMOST everyone knows it. This dependence on capitalism to "do the right thing', is like pissing in the wind. It feels right until you realize you're pissing on yourself. This capitalist economy has collapsed time and again and all for the same reasons.
Put simply-greed, the ability to obfuscate the real results of a Randian mind set, the lack of empathetic actions towards the poor who number in the millions worldwide, and the hubris in continuing to believe that---people are never going to get fed up with 2 systems of justice, two
systems of wealth dispersal and a system of novelty instead of a system of survivability.

Oh yeah--to answer the question first posed---take a look back at the black and white films of 1929. And in a minor way (not minor to those that lost pensions homes and jobs) at the period between 2000 and 2008. One day there will be the final breakdown if what we're seeing in the republican debates is a portent of the future.

So now what's his face ( that preacher fuck)says he wouldn't rule out using federal troops to stop abortions. And DONALD TRUMP IS LEADING THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And I don't LIKE Clinton--she defines THE MACHINE.

SANDERS/WARREN.

 

A friend of mine worked the installation of a geothermal power plant at Ft. Monmouth. Using heat from deep in the earth. it only works in large scale projects.

The government closed down Ft. Monmouth and moved the personnel away a year after the installation.

Wondering what happened to the geothermal plant.

 

Interesting, I do know geo-thermal is perhaps the hardest of all renewable energies to use though. Digging deep in the earth requires tools we may not have yet
Russia so far has the record for going the furtherest twice at 12 km deep. To put this in perspective, that was a one billion dollar investment and we never even reached the earth's mantle

--this isn't to say earth's geothermal energy isn't a viable option, or hell even a brilliant one. It only means we have much more to learn, where as with solar, we are now here. We have the technology.

lol love that analogy

 

Well Ill have to read up on aluminium ion.

But do i really have to , to work out there is some bottleneck?

I mean conspiracy theories?, the wrong people arent getting rich?
Like there wouldnt be some other dude making twillions already if it wasnt viable and almost as competitive as anything else

 

nothing is free. in 50 years, well i don't think another 50 years of business as we're familiar with, will even be possible.
solar and other forms of relatively clean energy, are pretty much what hope to avoid complete disaster, is what there is.

also, just for fun, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy0Ll6h3lyQ

 

Its seems the availibilty of fresh water may take us to the brink of self annihilation before anything else

 

every resource is limited. birthrate exceeding death rate has this problem of crossing the limits of available resources for any species.
energy and transportation are two things we are going wrong because of being blinded by little green pieces of paper, to anything else.
energy, transportation, and the means of propelling it, and population, are the big three.
it is very likely we are well beyond the point of avoiding all pain. but not beyond the point of being able to salvage something.
solar and other clean energies, and the energy efficiency of guideway based systems, could make a very big favorable difference.
transportation technologies are, i see as being an even bigger element.
human birthrate being by far the biggest one of all.
water is crucial. that is environment as well as population.
and environment comes back to energy and transportation.

 

Or,,, more Biochar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RACwWasqXf8&list=PLbQqm4rNo625Etz4INo2wP2X4sxgwDyNN&index=12

 

magnettically suspended flywheels store energy without disasterous chemestry. there is at least one manufacturer i stumbled on, who is mass producing these kind of non-chemstry dependent energy storage systems.
however, even batteries, are better then what oil and pavement are doing to the earth.
of course, if we went to batteries only for energy storage, then yes, eventually we would have the same environmental problems with that.
but again, even it here, it is possible to not doing things wrong, with just what we have now.
the excuse of having to await further developments is lame and nonsense.

 

The Carbon based supercapacitors will turn into topsoil at the end of their lifecycle.

http://news.illinois.edu/news/13/1023supercapacitors_JunhuaJiang.html

 

There is a bit of a contradiction here. If everyone had the ability to create their own energy and store it....great. But unless every single building had that ability, there still has to be a grid in some capacity. If you want to pump excess "power back on the grid", there still has to be a grid. The grid is owned by energy companies so those companies would possibly have to shift how they operate but they still own the grid and as owners....they have to maintain the grid and that costs an incredible amount of money and they have to get that from somewhere. If a dramatic change had most houses producing their own energy...but those houses still needed the grid in some way....then the focus would have to be charging for access to the grid.

I'm not talking about anyone in this thread but in the past I've heard people seem to refer to "the grid" as if it's this thing that is just there. It doesn't just exist. It takes constant maintenance to keep it going. It takes fleets of trucks and equipment worth billions of dollars. It takes people to run that equipment. As I type this on a Sunday morning, there are hundreds of people across the country who are out on overtime working on outages. Every single power company has crews on call 24/7....365 days a year. So my point is that even in a much greener situation.....someone still has to keep the grid going and that takes money...a lot of it.


(Disclosure: I'm a contractor to a power company)

 

the grid will remain useful, as long as their is trained person power with the will and knowledge to maintain it. in a drastically reduced population, resulting from an ecopocalypse, this there might not be.
how deep the combination of famine and disease will cut into human population levels is difficult to predict, but it seems like they are already far above what our planet's resources can sustain.

but the grid will cease to be a vehicle for monopoly and the feudalistic usurpation of consent of the governed. as will likewise paved highways, when there is not the industry of extracting petrolium motor fuels.
oil and coal fuels require vast numbers of persons, indentured to the concept of economic gain, to be, and the products of their use to be, widely and readily available.

with the collapse of food supplies, health care, and the means of dilevery of both, a much reduced population will likewise have little interest in resourse development, beyond their own need to eat.

however, a continuing advancement of technology, because we have reached the point we have, with wind, flowing water, and especially solar, may well remain possible, even probable, though perhaps at a much reduced pace.

scientific and technological knowledge, will not be immediately lost, though some, perhaps many people, will undoubtedly blame its existence for their current misfortunes.
with a breakdown of universal communication, local diversity will re-emerge, with small communities each devising and going their own way.

also with a vastly reduced human population, there will be many fascinating, though sometimes dangerious, ruins to explore, and most especially the reclaiming by nature, of the land so long abused by ignorance and greed.

paved roads reclaimed by vegitation and people finding them conveniently flat places, building their simple houses there.

the minority who will still by fascinated enough by mechanical things, to carry on their development and learning about them, might well connect these 'neotribal' villages, with solar powered narrow gauge railways.

of course as i say, it need not get that deep. if every roof, and don't forget there aren't only houses people live in that have roofs, were either completely covered with solar panels, or the exception being living roofs on which people grow things, small scale wind on local ridge tops, (and there are some interesting, inexpensive and available technologies for doing that) all feeding back into the then shared and public 'grid', there would then be quite sufficient electrical energy, without disasterously negligent policies toward the natural environment.

ecotopia requires no more new technologies then we already have. and thus the avoidance of a complete ecopocalypse is also possible.

i don't see how we can expect to escape unscathed the next few decades, but every opportunity to salvage something absolutely wonderful from and for them, remains a very real option and choice.

 

storing up for days isn't a solution. the ecopocalypse has already begun, though it is still possible for corporate media to sweep it under the rug and hide it from people who never get around to looking beyond what it tells them. this isn't some disruption in service, as the economic feudalists engineer to impose on us to get there way, as they have several times in recent decades, that will end soon enough for any hord of food and other supplies to last anyone through. this is centralized power going down, and not coming back up. not in weeks, not in months, not in years, but ever.

as for people taking what they need and want by force, these will be the first to destroy themselves and each other. if you look at what actually happens, instead of all the sensationalized hype, yes looting, but not a rash of murderous robbery. people who have sense, will try to band together to help each other out, but in the face of famine and disease, hundreds, even thousands of times more, will die that way, then by any kind of uncivil violence.

yes, look at new orleans after catrina, though i think in a couple of key ways, we're looking at a very different situation, or spain during that time when it was without government. not thug gangs terrorizing everyone, but just people taking what they need, food and drinking water mostly, from broken into retail stores, when there was no other way to attain these things.

we're looking at a more gradual process. even if that phase were to occur, it would not be long before there was nothing left to rob. the people will only have what they can grow or gather from nature, not nearly enough to sustain today's population levels. people who live in cities, where the majority today do, neither guns nor horded food, will do them much good. none for more then a few months.

no one escapes ecopocalypse that way. but one part of farmerdon is right, the lack of institutions to look after you.
without a government, you won't be getting a welfare check, but there wont be a landlord or a grocer to take it from you either.
rather it will be up to you to build your own shelter, and no one telling you how you have to build it, nor to have to buy and own land to build it on.

 

If and when, I'll be getting out the firearms and ammunition. That's all I will need to obtain what I don't have now.