Should All Schools Be Mandated To Teach Creationism?

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  1. GreatestIam

    GreatestIam Member

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    Should all schools be mandated to teach Creationism?

    We must save our children from foolish belief in the supernatural.

    Education is the only tool that we have to drag ourselves and our children out of ignorance and superstition and that education should include that it is foolish to read myth literally. No more Dark Ages should be allowed.

    Comparative Religion should be taught to insure that no child is lost to creationist intellectual dissonance. We must expose our children to Comparative Religion as soon as they can understand Evolution which would be taught alongside of it.

    To do less would be shirking our duty to our children and their young minds. If you do not supports this type of all-inclusive education, please show why you oppose it?

    Remember that when President Bush backed up stem cell research, it gave other countries a chance to advance away from the U.S. and hurt the U.S economy.

    If the U.S. fails to educate it’s children properly in Comparative Religion and Evolution --- and the various sciences that stem from it, --- the U.S. will shrink it’s economy and power as compared to those countries who have a fuller and more intelligent education program.

    Do you agree that it is the duty of the U.S. education system to maintain a first world standard of education in the teaching of Creationism, Comparative Religion and Evolution, --- and catch up to more intelligent countries?

    Regards
    DL
     
  2. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    fuck no. creationism is not science. i think children need to have a better grasp on what exactly science is, why it works, etc. by teaching creationism, it comes across that the theory of evolution is just one opinion and creationism is another. creationism fails as science. real scientific theories are based on objective evidence, things that can be proven or tested. also, a proper theory can be falsified, if later evidence is aquired. the process of peer review encourages scrutiny, the theory must be described in a manner that can be tested by anyone, at any time with the currently available data.

    also, children really need to be taught in science class exactly what a scientific theory is, what makes a theory and how theories are developed. they are not just someones opinion. i've come to much frustration trying to debate scientific fact with a religious person, they rebut with ie. "well, that's your opinion, i have mine" .. no, it's not my opinion, its scientific fact!

    teaching creationism in a "science" classroom ought to be illegal if you ask me! kids when they are young are easily confused.
     
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  3. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    Don't understand the problem here... Through the 60's I was in the Catholic school system and they taught evolution with no problem.
     
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  4. scratcho

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    They might be OK mentioning creationism as one aspect of the way SOME humans believe and/or relate to the vagaries of being human in a

    confusing and unknowing state of mind regarding the desire to live forever instead of this being a one shot deal. Pretty rough to realize

    since we hold ourselves to be so damned important. But frankly, I doubt anyone that wants to TEACH creationism can or will be objective

    about it. It's an agenda.
     
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  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I assume this is a joke.

    Please explain the curriculum you are proposing, the curriculum of these more intelligent countries that you do not name as pertains to this subject...and why you consider these countries to be more intelligent..
     
  6. thedope

    thedope glad attention Lifetime Supporter

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    Various types of creationism are standard curriculum everywhere, creationism being a model of creative process. Evolution is a creationist idea as is history in the way it is regarded as in one thing leads to another. What is not taught but would beneficial if it were is that we ourselves are co creators of the quality of our lives. More often we are taught that a quality life is had by playing by the rules but the rules are not reliably rewarding with sliding pay scales.
     
  7. Moonglow181

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    Hell F no! If you want your children to learn all of that, send them to church and Sunday school....You have that option.....Why make it mandated for everyone.....
     
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  8. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Really? In a secular school system? Where would that be?
    Not really. Neither the theory of evolution nor the study of history posit a divine first cause.
     
  9. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    In all fairness when considering the topic of the origin of the universe, an educational system would be amiss if they did not also touch on the various creation stories.
    It's called a well rounded education.
    Denying the teaching of Creationism is merely the flip side of denying the teaching of evolution.

    and again, evolution DOES NOT preclude nor disprove the existence of a creator, why is that so hard to grasp.
    Maybe evolution is the methodology utilized by the creator?
    Aside from a complete literal interpretation, the Biblical account is the most in line with what we have learned scientifically.
    The only time this type of stupidity becomes an issue is when some moron is too stupid to grasp concepts and ideas beyond a literal interpretation of the scripture.
    Personally I see no major conflicts between current scientific theories about the origin of the universe and the Biblical account when considered as allegory and metaphor.

    So, IMO for a full understanding from the students perspective, they should be exposed to all ideas and be instructed in critical thinking skills rather than indoctrination, regardless of who's doing the indoctrination.
     
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  10. thedope

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    I understand and don't mean to disrespect the formal point. Here an exercise in semantics which is the study of meaning or perhaps another way to develop it by distinguishing what is the same and what is different or the way we group things. A group of the same things can be radically different in appearance. A grouping of fruit can include oranges and bananas. Markedly different forms both legitimately fruit.
    Informally, divine means supremely good or beautiful, magnificent, extremely pleasant, delightful, or perfect, ideal, exemplary, or model. An exemplary model of first cause is suggested in the big bang for one. The celebration of independence day or reverence for the constitution is another. Point being levels of intellectual indoctrination are practiced in secular school systems as a matter of course. Religious indoctrination is the same as civil indoctrination, religious a banana and civil an orange to return to fruity example. There are no meaningful separation of powers within the personal invocation of authority. The same power or effectiveness to inform or impress upon our experience is present in either instance.

    To the point of the thread I'm for being exposed to many perspectives and not so enthusiastic about any exact curriculum other than study of the human organism, kind of like developing an owners manual. We have no more profound interest than in who we are or what we may become as individuals or together.

    As far as kids being easily confused ace_k, i think that is far from the truth. I think they learn bad lessons equally as well as good ones. Creationism as an intellectual model based on religious conviction is a subject appropriate to a social studies curriculum.
     
  11. drumminmama

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    I'm answering from the POV of a faith that has the same story...or should I say Xtianity usurped the story. Both of them.

    I believe that science is for the science classroom.
    Comparing origin stories is for literature.
    N Scott Momaday retell the Kiowa creation/ origin story well in his writings.

    I don't want a public school teacher interpreting, or grading my son on his interpretation, of a religious text, however.
    My tradition is an arguing and debating one. I'm proud of that. I like good questions, even if the answers elude.
     
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  12. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    Why does one have to be stealing from the other, could they not both be relaying the same common info?
     
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  13. drumminmama

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    It is a case of the later group using an ever so sightly altered version of the first groups text.
     
  14. thedope

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    Are new world pyramids ever so slightly altered versions of Egyptian pyramids or does geometry naturally lend to that style of building?
     
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  15. MeAgain

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    Maybe, do you have any scientific evidence to back up that maybe?
    Maybe evolution is the methodology utilized by other world aliens...shall we teach ancient astronaut theories also?
    The teaching of scientific theories is not indoctrination as all scientific theories are understood to be open to revision, unlike dogmatic religion.
     
  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Using the Big Bang as a rational for the existence of a god or gods is just pushing the same old first cause argument a little further.
    If everything has a cause other than itself, and if the Big bang occurred, it must have a cause other than itself. If it has a cause other than itself, that cause must be (a) god (supernatural). But if everything has a cause other then itself, then god must have a cause other than himself. But if god has a cause other than himself, he cannot be the first cause. So if the first premise is true, the conclusion must be false.

     
  17. MeAgain

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    Religious indoctrination is not the same as secular teaching.

    Secular schools are based on the separation of religion and state and have their origin in the Enlightenment. They, ideally, have no interest in religion, atheism, or agnosticism. Their education is based upon the currently accepted intellectual norms as articulated in the hard and soft sciences and the various arts.
    All curriculum is always open to revision.
    Instruction is based on reason, analysis, and individualism.

    Religious teachings are based on traditional lines of authority, absolutism, and conformity.
     
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  18. NoxiousGas

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    Don't need it, common logic indicates that the two concepts do not negate one another.

    Do you have any scientific evidence that they do?


    of course you don't, and at that point any absolute proclamations either way are at best guesses.
     
  19. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    LOL...
    ask Pressed Rat about that one....LOL
     
  20. BlackBillBlake

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    When I was a kid back in the 60's we spend endless boring hours learning all about the Old Testament. Most of the information passed in one ear and out the other for most of us in that class.
    I can't see that it benefited me in any way, other than to put me right off christianity.

    The time would have been much better spent on science and looking at comparative religion.

    When I moved on to secondary school, religion went pretty much out of the window. We did only one session a week. I can still recall the teacher drawing a diagram on the board showing how authority passed from God to the Queen, to the government, the education dept, and thus to out teacher. Very quaint. And if that's not some attempt at indoctrination I don't know what is.

    I don't think religion as such should be taught in schools. Or if it is, only in a comparative way.
     

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