All Religions Are False.

because god didn't write any of those books. but the god featured in all of those books is the god of abraham, and he is mentioned in all 3. christians are the only group that believes that christ was the messiah, and the trinity.

otherwise i agree with you, the three religions are quite different but they evolved from some of the same ideas and written text.

 

I'm glad you started this topic. Refreshing. Intelligent exchange of ideas instead of shit disturbing.

All three religions say their book is "the word of God." How is that possible? From the New Testament to the Quran, which is like the Old Testament?

 

Oh: the members of the religion make that claim...

 

They are definitely the same god. It is the same line of descent from Abraham. The Arabs, Muhammad included, are said to have descended from Ishmael.

Islam even considers Moses and Jesus to be prophets to which a partial truth was revealed. The whole truth being revealed only to Muhammad.

All of my claims are substantiated in those books I mentioned up top. Has oxygen been proven to have 8 protons, for example? Then they have been substantiated.

 

Oh shit, well then excuse me, I had no idea you had such an impressive and thorough education.


LOL...


I'm out, but here ya go Richard, a little something for when your feeling a little peckish;

 

OP, you're wasting your time arguing with these people. Take it from someone who knows from experience, you're not going to change anyone's mind. Especially with blanket statements like "all religions are false", "Go read some books", and "Science is absolute". I can't even agree with that one. Science is always evolving. "Everything you think you know right now is probably wrong" - Adam Savage. I mostly agree with everything you're saying though,

I think there is a vast preponderance of scientific evidence that suggests that God is highly unlikely. I do not agree with all "science" either, 11 dimension string theory is about as loopy and fantasy based as Mormonism. I do not think that conservation of energy is a law that holds true in the vastness of space. I think the information paradox is a load of shit, information can clearly be destroyed, in the vastness of space. Hawking was right the first time, since then I fear he might just be a puppet. Scientists can be just as crooked as televangelists, because there are billions in funding at stake.

Also, I have given explanations before how energy can come from nothingness.

 

Yes, I know some of the theories like that 11 dimensional string theory is pretty far fetched. I'm not going to claim to understand how they came to that conclusion. Everything unknown is in the field of quantum physics.

Can you tell me all your explanations of how energy can come from nothing?

 

Multilingual?

 

It's based on a few basic logical assumptions:

-There's no such thing as nothing. "nothingness" is just a concept from limitations of perception.
-Nothing is perfect, perfection does not exist.
-Therefore space itself is something and imperfect, space warps and fluctuates.
-Spatial fluctuation have intrinsic properties, like attraction between similar spatial fields.
-Attraction IS gravity, gravity causes movement.
Movement IS energy...

Matter is literally nothing but energy over time, and space.

 

Are there any actual physicist that subscribe to these theories?

 

I've taken what I think is most reasonable and likely from many things and simplified it to my taste. Of course Einstein is a big influence, Hawking's early work and Lawrence Krauss.

Watch this from 38 minutes in...

http://youtu.be/sbsGYRArH_w

 

Come on man, that's not a valid argument.

 

Timeline of Earth History

13,700,000,000 ya - Universe was created in the Big Bang
4,570,000,000 ya - formation of Earth and our solar system
3,500,000,000 ya - first organisms
2,700,000,000 ya - first photosynthesis
2,700,000,000 ya - first eukaryotes
620,000,000 ya - first multicellular organisms
542,000,000 ya - Cambrian explosion of life
450,000,000 ya - first land plants
370,000,000 ya - first land animals (amphibians)
205,000,000 ya - first mammals
200,000 ya - first humans appear on Earth (east Africa)


Timeline of Religions

1500 BC - Vedic Aryan relgions of India
1200 BC - Judaism founded
1000 BC - Indian Upanishads
600 BC - Zoroastrianism founded
501 BC - Confucianism founded
500 BC - Taoism founded
500 BC - Jainism founded
500 BC - Hinduism founded
480 BC - Buddhism founded
33 - Christianity founded
610 - Islam founded
712 - Shintoism founded
1499 - Sikhism founded
1844 - Baha'i founded
1952 - Scientology founded


Timeline of Scientific and Technology

9000 BC - first grains are domesticated (Mesopotamia)
4000 BC - first civilization (Mesopotamia)
3100 BC - first writing (Sumeria)
1900 BC - first mathematics (Babylon)
1875 BC - first astronomy (Babylon)
300 B.C. - Euclid compiles textbook of geometry (ancient Greece)
130 B.C. - Hipparchus develops trigonometry (ancient Greece)
825 - Al-Khwarizmi compiles book of algebra (Baghdad, Abbasid caliphate)
1543 - Nicolaus Copernicus publishes heliocentric model of the universe (Poland)
1609 - Galileo invents refracting telescope (Italy)
1665 - Robert Hooke discovers cells (England)
1668 - Isaac Newton invents the reflecting telescope (England)
1676 - Antonie van Leeuwenhoek discovers bacteria (Netherlands)
1680s - calculus invented by Newton (England) and Leibniz (Germany)
1687 - Newton published his laws of physics (England)
1830 - Charles Lyell publishes early works on geology (Scotland)
1859 - Charles Darwin proposes the theory of evolution (England)
1870 - Dmitri Mendeleev publishes the first periodic table of elements (Russia)
1880 - Thomas Edison invents first electricity distribution sytem (United States)
1901 - Sigmund Freud develops theories of psychoanalysis (Austria)
1905 - Albert Einstein proposes is theory of relativity (Germany)
1913 - Niels Bohr proposes his orbital model of the atom (Denmark)
1919 - Hooker Telescope allows for accurate measurement of distant stars (United States)
1929 - Edwin Hubble discovers the expanding universe (United States)
1939 - invention of computers (England)
1945 - first manmade nuclear reaction (United States)
1953 - discovery of the structure of DNA (United States)
1968 - discovery of plate tectonics (Canada)
1990 - Hubble Space Telescope placed into orbit (United States)
2007 - Large Hadron Collider completed (Switzerland)

What do you think? And what do you think of the fact that nearly every scientific achievement is by European people? (and Germanic ones at that)

 

You ignored Africa. Voodoo is about 8000 years old I think (Yoruba, Ifa, Mami Wata)...

 

i find it difficult to think of a god who isn't at war with anything, which is the only kind i'm capable of believing in, as having anything to do with either christianity or islam.

 

Really? Prove to me that nothing exists. Not nothingness but actual nothing.

The existence of space itself intrinsically existing, however unlikely, is trillions of times more likely than an intrinsic supreme consciousness.

http://youtu.be/XYohZRivNhI

 

I'll make a valid argument for nothing, even using one of your statements...

Matter exists
Matter is nothing
Therefore nothing exists

I'm not out to prove your ideas are flawed, I'm suggesting your 'logic' (which you had to preface your ideas with) is unsound.

If we take the first 2 premises and the first statement of your conclusion "Matter is literally nothing" we have a conclusion which does not follow from your premises, therefore an argument which is false.

Now that's cherry picking your argument a bit, but if we take the argument as a whole, the validity of your argument rests on a conjunction. Even if the validity of the argument is salvaged by the conjunction, that doesn't lead to a very sound argument.

For a more logically sound argument, instead of stating "Matter is literally nothing" you may want to state what matter actually is, which I'm assuming is the stuff following the conjunction.

 

Matter is energy. Google = Higgs field.

Who put the energy here? Who put the space here? Who set time in motion?

Now those are unanswered questions.

 

And isn't is crazy how it's actually the same God.

I wonder how many of them actually know that.