Why does Israel keep making peace negotiations with terrorist governments?

History is decided by those who have the most power and influence and who write it down. You cannot say the bible is historical fact. U can believe it all u want to but that doesn't make it true.

 

Pretty much. History is determined by the victor.

 

Yupp^^^^

 

I base that on the fact that many things, places, people, events, have been corroborated by secular archeology as well.

Plus you shoot yourself in the foot with the above argument, because contrary to most other ancient historical records, the Bible does NOT always portray the Hebrews in a favorable light nor as the ever present victors. quite the opposite really.
Another point that SECULAR historians use to determine the voracity of any type of historical record.

Jimminy Christmas, you would think after how long I've been here and the content of my communications folks would understand that I don't blindly accept ANYTHING from ANYONE!!!

but, one sad reality that has been made blindingly apparent in my stay at HF over almost 6 years is that very few actually read the words that are written, rather they respond to what their own bias and opinions interpret as being communicated.

Not the same thing.

 

I'm quoting this because I hate being the last post on a page....dammit!

 

I know considering the Bible and associated religions as well as general religious/spiritual topics have been one of my areas of interest for well over 40 years.
I've been over these topics/concepts many, many, many times.
so, while I appreciate the attempt, not telling me anything new.

 

Lmao what! Just because the bible describes some events that occurred during the time bits of it were written doesn't make the account in the bible fact we could all watch a robbery and each have our own slant on what happened and none of use could be right. Just because its in the ball park doesn't make it a home run. I could say I flew on the back of a bull down wall street and waved to Donald trump before there was a discussion between Martha Stewart and tyra banks about 9/11. Just because all those things exist doesn't mean that sequence of events happened.

 

It's an area of interest for me as well. But, no offense, if you know all of that, how do you consider it a historically accurate document? Or do you consider it historically accurate of only some of the history from that era?

 

BINGO.
I don't throw the baby out with the bathwater
it's called intelligence and discernment, something woefully lacking in many people.
I would venture a guess that folks like Dark Water and others who think they are clever by deriding me with their rhetoric don't actually have a fucking clue beyond the last Charlton Heston portrayal what the Bible actually has in it, yet he's a fucking expert and I'm blind faith sheep.

There is a lot of things not readily apparent concerning establishing the voracity of historical documents, some concerning the hows/whens and wheres and vocabulary used, who it's addressing, etc, as well as extra-Biblical sources.

Like I said, after decades looking into and considering this shit, I'm confidant and comfortable with my position.

 

One thing folks don't seem to comprehend, that when you discount the fantastic and miraculous accounts in the Bible, the rest is actually pretty fucking solid history, more so then many contemporary historical accounts from the same era's.

Like I said, it's using discernment.

 

Fair enough then. But I've always thought darksugar was a girl.

 

Nope,
somewhere in between boy/girl I believe.

 

Some of those "miracles" could have happened. It was a different time with different people and different afflictions and cures. Like I said....Jesus as a Nazarene would have probably been quite a healer. They were known for that stuff.

 

Ur inability to argue with facts refrences skill or respect is indicative of someone who doesn't know shit about shit. U clearly don't know enough about what ur trying to say to say it effectively and even if u could it would be easily discredited. Maybe study a bit harder and then come back and talk with us.

Just saying

 

Anyway....getting back to the conflict....I suggest people read the book I posted about. It might change how you view this situation.

 

where are your facts and references?

also learn to spell, would ya.

 

well there is the fact regardless what your ideology may be regarding the guy with the gun, the guy with the gun could fuck you up

 

I totally get what you're saying but the Palistinians are hardly the guy with the gun. The Palistinians are really no real military threat to Israel at all. If Israel really wanted to end this, they could invade, search damn near every house there, secure the areas already searched and confiscate anything deemed to be a possible offensive weapon. What they want is for Hamas to have just enough firepower to continue to fire the occasional "shot in the dark" rocket so they can continue to respond like they are right now. They respond with overwhelming force, claim to need a new "buffer zone", bulldoze all the buildings in that zone, allow "settlers" to eventually build on that land, call it the inevitable growth of Israel, the settlers are now in range of rockets from Hamas....rinse, repeat....until all of the land is annexed.

And if anyone thinks that the Palistinians are actually any sort of military threat with their sorry, obsolete weapons....I invite them to google the 1967 6 Day War in which Israel decimated multiple armies at the same time who were much better armed than the Palistinians. Today, Israel is one of the most elite military's in the world who are bombing a group of people who are largely unarmed and have nothing to do with the ill-equipped Hamas.

 

They weren't better armed so to say.. They were just hydrated. Guns may fight wars, but fresh water wins them.

https://wiki.leeds.ac.uk/index.php/HIST2530:_The_Six_Day_War_1967

 

Ur the one making he proposition it's up to u to come up with those