Can we trust medical doctors?

Discussion in 'People' started by Coleco, Jun 8, 2014.

  1. verminous_plague

    verminous_plague Banned

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    Ok, I can see you are a heckler who just wants to critique people all day long just to annoy them. I meant certain areas of japan like okinawa, people there eat the same they've always ate and never get cancer like in America or the west. And they live to be 100, roughly.
     
  2. Sallysmart

    Sallysmart Raynstorm Serenade

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    Doctors base their nutritional beliefs from the government standards. If we eat like they tell us to we should be sick from something at sometime in our lives, earlier then later.
    If we research and eat like we care we should die of a natural old age or a semi hitting us.
    If government standards were good for us the food makers wouldn't be allowed to make junk foods and add chemical crap in the foods we are supposed to feel safe cooking for our families. If their standards were good for us there would be more research on good ingredients for foods we buy and they would be forced to use them ingredients before selling it to us.
    If you were to follow the Canadian food guide they had out for many years it was a prescription to get diabetes, now they have moved things around to look a lot better but guess what the nutritionalist tells you when you find out you have cancer,,, eat lots, (of course) but they promote gravy, and loads of meat, potatoes and other fats but bad fats, instead of good oils as fats. Yes they want you to keep your body weight up but their story on nutrition is basically what brought you to their clinic, why keep eating that way?
    They did little to promote berries, or good oils or to encourage you to stay away from processed foods. They just say eat lots and don't take Any vitamins or natural drugs, even fish oil. "Don't take any of this stuff, it will mess with our treatments".
    Lemme tell you, I know someone who went on loads of natural stuff, they couldn't figure out why he went through 8 weeks of treatment without any radiation burn, they said he had skin of steal.
     
  3. odonII

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    Then when doctors etc tell the general public what to eat and not to eat - you say it is a 'nanny state'.
     
  4. odonII

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    Then put a little more effort in your posts, imho.
     
  5. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    I spend a lot of money to see a doctor for a referral certificate to see another doctor for a referral certificate to see an eye hospital for a referral certificate to see a specialist for a referral certificate that allows me to see my ophthalmologist who performed the surgery on me in the first place but refuses to see me without a referral. So I conclude doctors are in each other's pockets and are as bad as mechanics.
     
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  6. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah.....big business....just like PR said....:(
     
  7. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    They drive me insane. "You'll need a referral for this visit" basically tells me I've got 4 upcoming doctor visits to pay for to get this one referral. Why would I need a referral to see the woman that did the surgery anyway? It's bullshit. If anything she should be referring me to others, not the other way round.
     
  8. odonII

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    It seems to be it matters which country you are living in.
     
  9. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

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    Yeah I take my certificates across two countries. =p
     
  10. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    I am going to run away to Finland and leave my life here.....:)
     
  11. BlackBillBlake

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    Treatment with mushrooms would be more like herbalism, not the same thing as homeopathy.

    I would assume that in the mushroom treatment, an active dose would be given. In homeopathic remedies, there's nothing of the so called theraputic substance left as it's diluted so many times.

    I'm not saying herbalism is the answer, but actually a lot of modern drugs are derived from plants, moulds etc.
     
  12. Piney

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    A friend works as a PHD in medical research. You know; lab work with genetics; rats & fruit flies, DNA.

    The medical research is funded by grants. Of course the grants need to keep on coming to continue. When the funding dries up, the lab has to close.

    She expressed to me that the lab results are changed by management, in order that the agency funding the lab be pleased with the result and the funding continues.
     
  13. Gongshaman

    Gongshaman Modus Lascivious

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    Well that proves it then, all medical research is fraud! :rolleyes:
     
  14. Asmodean

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    Doctors are human individuals. Some you can trust and some you can't.

    Good luck! :biggrin:
     
  15. eggsprog

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    For the record, naturopathy and homeopathy are not the same thing.

    Homeopathy involves treating sickness by administering "a substance that causes the symptoms of a disease in healthy people will cure similar symptoms in sick people." Unless those mushrooms you speak of caused the symptoms of cancer, then you're not talking about homeopathy (Source).
     
  16. Gongshaman

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    A very interesting article concerning 'natural' remedy's and the Pharmaceutical industry

    https://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-664.html

    "American consumers want natural drugs, believing natural drugs are safer than synthetics. The pharmaceutical firms seem to prefer synthetics or semisynthetics, in part due to proprietary economic reasons. The health of the drug company by necessity must concern the drug company before the health of the consumer. As noted in a recent International Trade Commission Study, "Between 1976 and 1990, the cost of developing a pharmaceutical product in the US increased from $54 million to $231 million. Only one out of every 4,000-10,000 compounds discovered can be marketed commercially--after which a company has less than ten years to partially recoup its R&D investment before its patent expires and generic manufacturers enter the market or a me-too drug is created by a competitor" (Chemical Marketing Reporter 1991). Such investments may lead pharmaceutical firms to prefer a proprietary synthetic or semisynthetic to a relatively less proprietary herbal or natural product. American pharmaceutical firms often seek the semisynthetic and avoid the natural compound, when, at least in some cases, the natural compound might be best. The pharmaceutical firm must consider several attributes including, safety, efficacy, reproducibility of results, patentability, and profitability." (bold added GS)
     
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  17. Anaximenes

    Anaximenes Senior Member

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    Or don't trust doctors. Trust the medical system from the priority for being received at the clinic. :biker:
     
  18. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    as each of us know, an acendote is not a trend. yet why the high & mighty status accorded medical research? as compared with other industries?

    The shocking aspect of the testimony of my friend is that she placed her sexual harassment on the back burner and saved true outrage at the corruption of scientific research in her lab. A pro.

    As for working in medical research, its tough to be forced to "shake a cup" at the government for funding.

    People can easily assume fraud in say, banking or stocks sectors., seems medical can be as corrupt and venial as anywhere else.
     
  19. Karen_J

    Karen_J Visitor

    Because of the way it gets reviewed in the academic world. Any young grad student wanting to make a name for himself can do so by poking holes in published research, and publishing his findings.
     
  20. Gongshaman

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    Wiki; A 2005 study in the journal Nature surveyed 3247 US researchers who were all publicly funded (by the National Institutes of Health). Out of the scientists questioned, 15.5% admitted to altering design, methodology or results of their studies due to pressure of an external funding source.
     

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