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#1 upperlevel

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Posted October 24 2013 - 03:46 PM

I have been presented the opportunity to try AL-LAD from a reputable source.
THIS IS NOT ALD-52
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AL-LAD, also known as 6-allyl-6-nor-lysergic acid diethylamide or allylysergamide, is a psychedelic drug and an analogue of LSD. It is described by Alexander Shulgin in the book TiHKAL (Tryptamines i Have Known And Loved). While AL-LAD has subtly different effects than LSD, and appears to be slightly shorter lasting, their potencies are similar;[1] an active dose of AL-LAD is reported to be between 80 and 160 micrograms.[2]


TiHKAL

DOSAGE : 80 - 160 micrograms

DURATION : 6 - 8 h.

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS : (with 50 µg) "I am aware in twenty minutes, and am into a stoned place, not too LSD like, in another hour. I would very much like to push higher, but that is not in the cards today and I must acknowledge recovery by hour eight."

(with 80 µg) "I had a mild effect, although the doors to my repressed feelings somehow really become opened up. There was nothing transcendental here, but there were moments where I felt a conscious separation from the world about me. None of the profound meanings that I had hoped to have explained were explained."

(with 150 µg) "I felt it in less than a quarter hour, and was shooting up past a +++ in another quarter hour. Fast. Just like LSD but without the vaguely sinister push. A little time slowing, randy, no body disturbance. Dropping at six hours and totally tired and going to sleep at twelve hours. I will repeat."

(with 150 µg) "Simply beautiful. Erotic and music absorption after second hour. Clear thinking with superb imagery and good interpretation. Easy, gentle sleeping. Next day -- serene, clear-thinking peacefulness. One of the best materials ever."

(with 160 µg) "I took 160 ug at 11 AM on an empty stomach and lay down to listen to a hypnotic relaxing tape, with eye shades and headphones. The onset was very gradual over two or three hours. There was some visual distortion similar to LSD, but mild. I decided that this was about as intense as it was going to get, so I lay down in the living room with the others. The experience continued to intensify over the next hour in intermittent waves. I had to verify that I was actually in a physical room rather than in the music I was hearing. There was never any fear or panic, but I chose to retreat to a private place for the next couple of hours. Soon I started to feel worse and I tried to gain some insight and relief from my negative attitude. I prayed, and I cried, and I began to feel calmer and had more positive thoughts as to how to deal with the others, but I was still afraid to go out into the group. I was afraid that my hopelessness would bother them but I eventually went back out at about the five hour point and the rest of the day was spent pleasantly and smoothly. I took 2.5 g of L-tryptophan to sleep, and I slept well, waking twice."

(with 160 µg) "I pretreated myself with 40 milligrams of inderal 40 minutes beforehand, took the AL-LAD, and went to bed with eye-shades and ear-phones. There was a very slow onset. The effects were best described as very short bursts of loss of contact with my body, which became increasingly intense and frequent as things progressed. It became really trippy, like acid. There were no visuals with my eyes closed, but when I removed my eye-shades the floors were melting, and the wall patterns and the wood ceiling really flowed. My body felt very blob-like, and I had to get help from my sitter to get up so I could pee. I was very affected by music. There was a very long down-ramp, with physical excitation appearing to linger longer than psychic excitation. Pretty much out of it by 12 hours and I felt well the next day."

(with 200 µg) "This was taken on the tail end (seventh hour) of an MDMA experience. I felt it quickly, but it never got to a super level. Complicated erotic, good talking, looked pretty stoned, and yet I still had cognitive integrity."

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: This is one of the several very potent compounds in a large series of 5-alkylated analogues of nor-LSD. Most of them proved to be less potent than LSD, and considerably less dramatic. The Inderal mentioned in one of the comments is a trade name for propranolol, an antihypertensive that reduces nervousness.

A comment is appropriate concerning the use of the prefix "nor," as in the name of this material N-allyl-nor-LSD and of its immediate precursor, nor-LSD. Its exact meaning is that there is an alkylated nitrogen atom somewhere that has lost an alkyl group. The original term is from the German phrase "N-ohne-Radical" meaning N (the nitrogen) without the radical (meaning the alkyl group). The removing of the N-methyl group of LSD to form the N-H counterpart is a text book example of this usage. Unfortunately its use has slopped over to embrace the removal of an alkyl group from a heteroatom of any sort. Recently I learned of a metabolite of ibogaine that has lost a methyl group from the indolic oxygen atom (a methoxy has become a hydroxy) and the compound was called noribogaine. The correct term, to retain the use of the parent ibogaine word in its name, would have been desmethyl ibogaine. The removal of something is usually indicated with a "de-" or a "des" prefix ahead of the item that has been lost, as in deoxy (or desoxy) ribonucleic acid, DNA, which is ribonucleic acid (RNA) missing an oxygen atom.



Let us discuss availability and experiences with this substance.

From various trip reports it seems to be NEARLY indistinguishable in effect from LSD-25 but shorter lasting, more clear, and easier to rest/sleep after.

There are skeptics about its availability because NBOMES were recently banned in the EU (I'm not sure if it is just some nations, or all, might even be banned in the Americas, I have not done my research on this). People think that this is just a way for vendors to move their remaining NBOME stock without getting in trouble.

AL-LAD appears to be only illegal for human consumption in Europe, possibly in the US?

Just to be clear, this is not the same chemical that was put on Orange Sunshine tabs. That is ALD-52. Also this chemical does not appear to just break down on its own into LSD. Claims have also been made that it no longer requires LSD as a precursor to be made, if it ever really did.


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Posted October 25 2013 - 08:01 AM

I wouldn't pass up that opportunity. Write us a trip report!

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Posted October 25 2013 - 09:14 AM

I'd be interested to know if this stuff is tasteless. Seems like it should be pretty easy to distinguish from nbome.
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Posted October 25 2013 - 10:09 AM

I'd be interested to know if this stuff is tasteless. Seems like it should be pretty easy to distinguish from nbome.


The legitimate tested stuff I'm getting had GC/MS testing photos. Could be fake I guess but the safeorscam score was 10/10 with lots of intelligent conversation, also mentioning that they are tasteless.

Trip reports ARE coming, from more than one individual in my crew of varying bodyweights and genders. Hopefully. I gotta try it first.
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Posted October 25 2013 - 10:29 AM

450 micrograms of AL-LAD was up there one of the finest experiences of my life.

There was no taste at all and had the blotters not been labeled AL-LAD and had it been sold as LSD, I don't think anyone would be any the wiser. The differences are subtle but they are there. AL-LAD has a slightly dissociative feel at times not present in LSD, and the peak seems to come at the 3 hour mark rather than 2 hour mark.

if you go through the right folk it's definitely not NBOMes they are trying to push, and analysis from Ecstasydata matches the analysis the vendors released with AL-LAD back in June. the likelihood of it being AL-LAD is like 98%, the other 2% likelihood it's definitely an ergoloid of some sort.
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Posted October 25 2013 - 12:28 PM

I took 300 ugs for my first trip with AL-LAD yesterday...

It is tasteless and very quality! I wasn't really caught up trying to compare and contrast the affects with LSD during the trip, the only notable sensation which felt different than my LSD trips was I felt I had this slight pressure which made me feel more lightheaded than I recall LSD making me feel. Overall though amazing cognitive, visuals and sensorial affects. Here is a trip report I wrote...

http://www.hipforums...?t=478639&f=126
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Posted October 25 2013 - 12:29 PM

Hah yeah I believe that's exactly what I meant by more of a dissociative feel than LSD. It really is better if you look at as it's own compound and not LSD's little molecular cousin. :D
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Posted October 26 2013 - 10:00 AM

I am very excited, and if they were labeled AL-LAD and had the chemical structure on the other side of the tabs, then I think we are talking about the same magic. :)

EDIT: a few days ago I took at look at the reagent tests on AL-LAD and took note of the color changes. I will be testing this stuff just in case, as well as the cheaper sample. My concern though is, was there a GCMS on the AL-LAD on ecstacydata?
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Posted October 26 2013 - 10:46 AM

http://www.ecstasyda...iew.php?id=2829 that's the link they did GC/MS analysis on them.

I can say the blotters I have give a light pink reaction in an Ehrlich test. we all got the same blotters pretty much they only released a small amount of the AL-LAD / LSZ powders. the original AL-LAD blotters were plain white like WoW, I believe 100ug per 1cmx1cm, then the later batch is the one you & I have 150ug per 1cmx1cm.
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Posted October 26 2013 - 11:41 AM

http://www.ecstasyda...iew.php?id=2829 that's the link they did GC/MS analysis on them.

I can say the blotters I have give a light pink reaction in an Ehrlich test. we all got the same blotters pretty much they only released a small amount of the AL-LAD / LSZ powders. the original AL-LAD blotters were plain white like WoW, I believe 100ug per 1cmx1cm, then the later batch is the one you & I have 150ug per 1cmx1cm.

I wish I'd gotten in on the powder :biker:
And I guess when i went to that page I didn't notice the GCMS.
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Posted November 02 2013 - 11:03 PM

Well, the hype is very well-founded. I tried 3 tabs today (tasteless) and I enjoyed it at least as much as LSD. People are right, though, not to just call this an LSD-alternative. Aladin is his own person.
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Posted November 07 2013 - 07:15 PM

Gotta try it.
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Posted November 14 2013 - 07:15 PM

i too would like to try this one..
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