Well like I said, we're all heavily influenced, from your personality, genes, upbringing, friends, social groups, media etc...so whatever you choose you've been influenced in some way, whether it's au natural or trimmed 'n' plucked.
Fake is a term we use in the states for someone who puts on a facade and tries to make everyone believe they are something they are not - that's the inside part. I added that just because it was on my mind and for me it sometimes goes with the outside part. Fake on the outside is another way of saying that someone puts too much effort into making themselves physically attractive (yes I already know "too much" is subjective, I am just giving my opinion based on my subjective rating scale). I have nothing against anyone who shaves, waxes, wears makeup, gets tattoos or piercings, or dies anything else to themselves. My wife wears makeup and shaves her legs and armpits- I would like her just the same if she didn't. I just prefer women, in general, who don't feel that they have to do anything but be themselves. If wearing makeup, getting tattoos and piercings, or shaving their hair is their way of expressing themselves, for me that would not be fake. If they do it because of the need to be more of something else then I consider that being fake (we are all fake to one degree or another, inside and out) - again I'm just stating my opinion and using my subjective rating scales. I just happen to prefer natural (Natural : 1. existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.) over unnatural. I don't think anyone should feel the pressure to have to change anything about themselves that isn't harmful to them or someone else. I am more attracted to people who feel the same way (I'm not put off by those who don't nor am I judging - that's just my preference).
What I find confusing is how (with the exception of reconstructive surgery) anyone can defend the audacity of thinking they can improve on God/ess's finest art work, the human body made in His/Her own likeness.
I don't see why you should perceive it like that. Perhaps with circumcision (let's not get into that here! ) or lasering it away permanently but not with shaving. Do you think the same about tattoos for example, Ranger?
Hadn't really thought about it that way. Seems to me tats are used more often to make a statement if only to pay homage to the skill of the artist. I have seen tats used to cover disfiguring scars and work wonders for the self image of the one receiving the tat. As a long haired, full bearded gent I never have understood the waste of my God given time and money in shaving nor do I get it when it comes to women.
I do not shave my pubic hairs either and neither have I cut my hair short for over a decade but that does not mean I condemn the people that do or project such an image onto them as you do by default.
I don't mean to condemn anyone, just to state why I find it hard to understand such action. I must admit that as a vet of the '60s wars after I was discharged from the CG I found it hard to "trust anyone over thirty....errr under errrr??? and for the same reasons I find it hard to trust short hairded skinfaces.......
Well, thanks for explaining :2thumbsup: I accept your point of view, I just don't hope you really think all people who shave their body hair must be buying in some kind of weird societal condoned pedo behaviour. I find it reasonable to assume they can do it for other (and solely personal) reasons as well.
It does bug me a bit that so many of our standards are based on the effects of peer pressure influenced by the advertising and cosmetic industries and their preying on the self esteem of the weaker folk. So much of advertising is based on instilling fear of not meeting standards of the herd.......
I agree it seems like that, but I also recognize that it doesn't count for everyone who happens to shave their body hair And therefor it is a prejudice and an assumption to say by default they are submitting to those standards. What do you think?
I think one must at least consider 'following the money', the billions invested in emotional blackmail type advertising. btw; never said I was without bias, my ex father inlaw was in the beauty supply biz in a big way.....
Question everything, especially purchases you'd have to do again every once in awhile because the razor is worn again. Yeah they can keep you buying if you don't watch it. I agree with that. I also think it is true some men like shaved women because they make them look younger but I don't think it's nearly all of them, or even the majority. Not sure though and thus I see no use in proclaiming it with certainty!
I'm only certain about two things, death & Texas. I am a Texan and I'm almost certain I'll find out about the second thing soon enough. LOL
I can relate, I have my doubts about this so called 'new world' myself (as I am an european). So I am sure about the Netherlands and other places I visited but I have my suspicions these 'Americas' are not real and Hollywood is secretly located on the Canary islands.
I've been to Holland and Belgium etc, however....... As I sit here watching the hummingbird at the feeder outside my window I wonder if canaries really have their own islands?
Funny thing you mention shaving makes them look younger, when I allowed my brows to be painfully removed the first comment was "Wow, see? You already look older" I was barely an adult and I want to look older? Ha, I liked that I was carded in bars when I was plenty old enough. I liked that my friends always refer to me as The Kid. One time me and my friend went to a fair with her kid, we played one of the booths and I won a great big Teddy bear. He had to guess our age with in three year older or younger, once we produced an ID card he paid up if he was wrong. He guessed her at her age,,, I was the same age. He guessed me ten years younger, tis why I got a great big Teddy bear. I got smacked when I said "C'mon Mom". She did all the eyebrow stuff and colored her hair red and Every day she had to wear make up even tho her hubby hated it. He called her his plastic lady and sometimes as a joke he would tell her to get the spatula, to scrape off her face.
It's interesting to read this thread. I wonder how many people even know the history of women shaving any part of her body? In the 20's flappers were encouraged to shave their legs and underarms because the new fashions were suddenly sleeveless and shorter. Women's magazines then "suggested" this was the new style, and encouraged everyone to do it, as well as shorted "bob" hairstyles, and the women's razor industry was born. From then on, women got the message that having hair on their legs and pits made them "manly". A VEET commercial just got pulled from the air from making this same suggestion. In the 40's, thick eyebrows were considered unfeminine and women everywhere shaved them off and painted on new ones with eyebrow pencils after penciling in fake nylon seems on their legs. In the 60's, women rebelled and everyone let all of their hair everywhere, grow naturally. If I remember correctly, I got laid lot in the 60's and 70's, no matter how much hair I had anywhere... In the 90's porn became much easier to watch and it seemed like every women in these movies had a shaved pussy and soon, all of the men did too. Not sure who decided that was sexier, but apparently someone did. If your first introduction to sex was watching porn, than it's not surprising that you would want sex IRL to be with someone who didn't have any body hair anywhere.. or if you watched a lot of porn, that could have influenced your preferences as well. It's the attitude of all or nothing that is the most interesting. You MUST do this or I'm not having sex with you. The people that seem to be the most mature about this, regardless of their actual age are the ones who say it just doesn't matter.. both have their pluses and it's really about the person they are fucking more than anything. I personally have had it both ways. I like it both ways.. Shaven or waxed is sometimes more sensitive and tactile. Growing it out, (which in my case takes about 3 months), is easier and more relaxed. I've been fortunate to be with men (and a few women) who like it either way. And that's they way I like them. ps... can someone please ban this lara.keffry. I'm getting tired of seeing her spam message on every board, and isn't this kind of thing against the rules of this site?
In the 90's porn became much easier to watch and it seemed like every women in these movies had a shaved pussy and soon, all of the men did too. Not sure who decided that was sexier, but apparently someone did. anything.[/QUOTE] And thus was born the popularity of androgyny and/or gender reassignment surgery.....lol