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#1 Fluffernutter

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Posted November 24 2012 - 08:36 AM

What do you think of the US education system?

What's your experience with it? Are you a parent, a teacher, a staff member, an advocate, a product of the system, etc?

What changes would you like to see made, and how do you think those changes need to come about?

Any other thoughts?

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Posted November 24 2012 - 09:43 AM

I believe it doesn't speak to the actual abilities of students. I feel as though some students are left behind because their specific interests and passions in learning aren't nurtured properly.
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Posted November 24 2012 - 09:52 AM

It would be more properly called the US indoctrination system.

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Posted November 24 2012 - 09:53 AM

The US has an education system!?!? :confused:


 


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Posted November 24 2012 - 10:07 AM

The more I observe that which passes for spelling here and on Yahoo and elsewhere,I'd say it needs improvement. I suppose "they're" still teaching Columbus discovered--blah-blah.

Why is it that when I went to school,paper,pencils,and all other supplies needed to complete given projects were free? Of course,I may as well ask why gasoline was 18 cents a gallon.

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Posted November 24 2012 - 10:18 AM

From what I have read the USES is ranked fairly highly. I'm sure there are inconsistencies, and improvements that could be made. Like the UK, some say it isn't teaching children the skills they need for the future - in the ever changing world in which we live. I wish it was like in the movies (not the temp' teacher turns a class into lifelong learners etc kinda movies)

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Posted November 24 2012 - 11:42 AM

Say a kid goes junior high school and passes every subject other than math. I feel as though instead of trying to adjust the math class he or she is in and jacking them around to various 'special needs' classes, just tell them they can stop taking it. Give them re-enforcement in the subjects they ARE doing well in, and nourish their strengths.

It feels like a bad idea and a good idea at the same time. Not sure why.
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Posted November 24 2012 - 12:33 PM

I think education should focus more on teaching kids how to think, not what to think.

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Posted November 24 2012 - 12:43 PM

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Posted November 24 2012 - 06:09 PM

It seems like the only parties held accountable are the schools and the teachers. The students and their parents have no accountability. If a student fails to achieve, it has nothing to do with the parent not feeding the kid or the student not doing his homework: the student's failure is the teacher's fault. That seems to be the prevailing attitude, and it's a problem.
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Posted November 24 2012 - 07:11 PM

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Posted November 24 2012 - 07:22 PM

Instead of being taught to think and research, you are taught to memorize and regurgitate. After Friday's test, forget all that and memorize some new shit... Rinse and repeat. Of course it does indoctrinate you very well for that brainless factory job. :rolleyes:

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Posted January 01 2013 - 06:09 PM

I'm a junior in highschool right now and recently I've really been seeing the point of the song "Little Boxes". It seems that certain classes (like english and history, not math and science) are made just to form the students mind into the mold of what the school system and future employers want them to be. For example in my honors english class we spend the semester writing papers, for theses papers all the students research the same or at least very similar topics where everyone comes up with the same information and with this information we write papers all in the exact same format, making all the papers basically identical. And then we are graded on how well we made all of the researched information fit the format and if you stray from the format you fail the paper. They don't promote creativity and individuality, they try to make us into identical thinkers that would be fit to serve our superiors at school and work for the rest our life. Even when we read novels in english and we are asked to interpret them, the teacher sometimes tells us our interpretation is wrong if it doesn't fit what she knows of the book. And in history classes they only ever teach about the wars, and even though they point out some of America's faults in the wars like war crimes such as My Lai, they are always very positive about war itself. They don't promote the students to think for themselves and figure out with their own thoughts whether it is bad, they just tell us to think and the only things they encourage us to debate on are not really relevent to today. Also I live in the only state where PE is manditory all four years of highschool and the only point I see to this, is to teach the students to follow orders. Because why else would there be a class where the only thing to it is a teacher yelling at you to run in circles.

Sorry that kind of turned into a rant.

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Posted January 03 2013 - 12:43 PM

I'm a junior in highschool right now and recently I've really been seeing the point of the song "Little Boxes". It seems that certain classes (like english and history, not math and science) are made just to form the students mind into the mold of what the school system and future employers want them to be. For example in my honors english class we spend the semester writing papers, for theses papers all the students research the same or at least very similar topics where everyone comes up with the same information and with this information we write papers all in the exact same format, making all the papers basically identical. And then we are graded on how well we made all of the researched information fit the format and if you stray from the format you fail the paper. They don't promote creativity and individuality, they try to make us into identical thinkers that would be fit to serve our superiors at school and work for the rest our life. Even when we read novels in english and we are asked to interpret them, the teacher sometimes tells us our interpretation is wrong if it doesn't fit what she knows of the book. And in history classes they only ever teach about the wars, and even though they point out some of America's faults in the wars like war crimes such as My Lai, they are always very positive about war itself. They don't promote the students to think for themselves and figure out with their own thoughts whether it is bad, they just tell us to think and the only things they encourage us to debate on are not really relevent to today. Also I live in the only state where PE is manditory all four years of highschool and the only point I see to this, is to teach the students to follow orders. Because why else would there be a class where the only thing to it is a teacher yelling at you to run in circles.

Sorry that kind of turned into a rant.


^ This.

And in math and science they usually teach us stuff that's completely irrelevant to our interests, and we usually forget whatever we've learned as soon as we stop testing on it anyway. Plus, I can't say I've ever meant an adult that's said knowing how to back-track an algebra problem has had any impact on his life after graduation, nah mean?

And having to have an art, health, and phys ed credit to graduate is nonsense. Like we're not going to make it on our own in the tough, unforgiving adult wasteland unless we know how to practice abstinence and blend water colours.

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Posted January 03 2013 - 12:49 PM

The problem with the American education system is that it wants its students to be well rounded. Frankly, that's an absurd way to educate when not everyone has an interest in the type of higher maths or sciences that will only aid those interested in certain future careers.

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Posted January 03 2013 - 01:45 PM

Learn by rote. A-B-C-D-etc. 6- 8s are 48,etc. Worked out pretty well. We did it over and over. Burned it in my brain. Then I learned something REALLY important.

Taking a test -4th grade: Question said='All cats can retract their claws. Therefore Cheetahs can retract their claws'. I did a lot of reading,even at that age and I knew that question required - WRONG- as an answer. That's what I put and the teacher said I was wrong. She was ,of course wrong and never corrected herself even tho I asked her to research it.

Now THAT was a very important lesson to learn and I never forgot it.

I have no idea what it's like today. I hear it's failing in many respects,but the zombie treadmills are still humming along ,so I suppose it is serving its intended purpose.

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Posted January 03 2013 - 01:56 PM

I already responded to this thread a while back but I wanted to add something.

I don't really agree with a lot about the US education system, but I was able to get a lot out of it. My family encouraged me to think outside of the box and do my own research.

Schools are to blame but so are parents who don't make it their responsibility to teach their children as well.

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Posted January 03 2013 - 02:52 PM

Taking a test -4th grade: Question said='All cats can retract their claws. Therefore Cheetahs can retract their claws'. I did a lot of reading,even at that age and I knew that question required - WRONG- as an answer. That's what I put and the teacher said I was wrong. She was ,of course wrong and never corrected herself even tho I asked her to research it.


that's really only wrong if it was a science test. it sounds more like a logic/reasoning type question, where the point isn't necessarily to recite facts but rather to come to a conclusion based on the given premise.

maybe a more thorough answer could have been "the premise is wrong but the logic is sound." unless of course it actually was a science/memorization test.

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Posted January 03 2013 - 02:59 PM

I'm a product of the system. I fell through the cracks and having asperger's doesn't help.
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Posted January 03 2013 - 03:47 PM

Yeah ,but a wrong "fact' shouldn't show it's lying little face! It was just wrong,no matter.

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Posted January 14 2013 - 11:50 PM

What do you think of the US education system?

What's your experience with it? Are you a parent, a teacher, a staff member, an advocate, a product of the system, etc?

What changes would you like to see made, and how do you think those changes need to come about?

Any other thoughts?


The curriculum is too rushed. Children who are in 9th grade math are still in 5th grade math. The teachers goal is just to get it done and be over with it. As long as the work is complete, then fine. If the work isn't complete, whatever get it done with and try harder next time.

Rarely are there any systems based on individual learning styles.

Okay, I could complain about everything. Let me just type this out.

1. There should be learning styles for children to choose from.
2. Pizza is not a vegetable. Soda machines do not belong in schools.
3. The woman who said that sandwiches were racially offensive.. she is an example of the idiots teaching today.
4. Children should be able to continue at the grade level that they are in until they have actually learned that subject.
5. There are multitudes of facepalmings going on in my head right now.
6. Have you not received a text message from your average 13 year old..?

"Hai i just wented to sea how r u doing"

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Posted January 16 2013 - 01:39 AM

From top to bottom the US education system has failed. I am a product of it and for two years a part of it. After that two years knew I could not be. There are good teachers that care about their students but in that environment, they can't be effective. To fix it you've got to feed the kids a nutritious lunch and in two years I never saw a single one. The curriculum has to go back to the basics including reading, writing, civics, logic and for once teach young people how to solve problems, something more than just math. Thats a key skill for anyone in the world and we don't teach it. I've never understood this. I never felt appreciated as a teacher whether in or out of the classroom. I coached track and that was different, especially since we took our region. I spoke to many teachers that felt the same. It was just too sad to watch this farce go on day after day so I left.

Since the US Dept of Education came to power in 1980, the US has continued to slip further behind other industrialized nations? More proof the federal gov't is impotent.
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Posted January 16 2013 - 02:05 AM

From what I have read the USES is ranked fairly highly.


the system you're thinking of is US colleges and universities. the US may still have the world's best system there. graduate schools enroll 15% of their students from overseas so the universities still have standing in the world.

elementary and secondary schools do not.

in 2009 the US education system ranked 17th overall (out of 40). the rankings are calculated based on various measures, including international test scores, graduation rates between 2006 and 2010, and the prevalence of higher education seekers.
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Posted January 18 2013 - 10:17 PM

I think education in the US is way to expensive. It depends on the professors you get what quality your education is. Some professors can be very lazy. As for high school and lower they baby sit and police kids more than they teach these days. I get tired of seeing teachers in the public schools getting away with verbally abusing and humiliating students.

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Posted January 22 2013 - 08:14 AM

I agree with Isadoran, schools are way to expensive. I'm going to college in about a year, so I've been looking at a lot of colleges, and it seems that unless I go to the state run school right next door I'm going to owe money the rest of my life. It is wrong to make school cost so much. I'm smart, a mostly A student and I've done plenty of extra activities to help me get into college, but most likely I'm going to get not that great scholarships because I'm not a genius and I'm not going to get financial aid because my parents make a lot of money, even though they are not paying for my college. So even if I get a good job it is going to take most of my life to stop owing money. But if you have rich parents you can go anywhere you want, to Harvard if you please free of charge because either you have connections of your parents can pay for the whole deal anyway and when they get out of Harvard they already have a six figure job lined up for them, so they will always stay rich and on top of the dog pile. While everyone else either cannot afford college or will never pay off what they owe for college. Hence the school system is really made to keep the rich on top and still rich and the poor on bottom still poor.

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Posted January 22 2013 - 09:05 AM

It's systematically piss poor. It's fashionable to blame teachers for this, but that's bullshit. Teachers' hands are bound, they have piss poor resources, they have to conform to piss poor requirements/standards, they're forced to spend a ridiculous amount of time dealing with student behavioral issues that should be addressed and corrected at home, but which aren't because we are a nation of babies raising babies - parenting skills are dismal in this country, and those who are capable of being decent parents, don't have the time or resources to do so effectively.

It's a matter of priorities and this nations priorities are insane. Russian and European students are 2-4 years ahead of any U.S. student with regard to education level at any given age by secondary school. I'm not exaggerating when I say that when a "senior" level European exchange student comes to the U.S. they are greeted with "freshman" level coursework in our senior high school level classrooms. I shudder to think about how far ahead the Chinese, Korean and Japanese are. In my junior year at college, I came to know a "junior" physics major from China - we were the same age. He advised the tenured head of the physics department (doctorate) on a regular basis (I witnessed it many times) - in fact, I suspect that my Chinese friend was essentially recruited to the school to aid the physics department with research projects.
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Posted January 22 2013 - 09:13 AM

I think education should focus more on teaching kids how to think, not what to think.


Thankfully, Occupy is getting into schools here in the UK and is doing just that :) I don't know about the USA...
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Posted February 05 2013 - 12:39 AM

The masses will never be of equal intelligence at once. Shoving worksheets and expecting a student to do such work when they are being forced to take a class they do not interest nor want to be in. There should be no laws forcing students to attend school. It's either they want to learn or they don't. No child left behind, would probably leave the country behind in debt. Those who have the urge to learn will search for the knowledge they seek and it is as simple as that. Colleges... -_- damn infernal debt and misery causing institutions. To much shit revolves around money instead of what is important like knowledge and understanding. The right to liberty my ass... most people think America is the land of the free, well try living in such country without money then we'll see whether your free or not. Fuck Corporations. The chairs, tables and curtain of illusion need to be taken down so people can see that towering brick wall in front of their faces.

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Posted February 05 2013 - 05:55 AM

USA education system:

produce people smart enough to run the machines,and dumb enough to blindly follow what the government says. Isn't it beautiful

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Posted March 28 2013 - 04:19 AM

It's a matter of priorities and this nations priorities are insane. Russian and European students are 2-4 years ahead of any U.S. student with regard to education level at any given age by secondary school. I'm not exaggerating when I say that when a "senior" level European exchange student comes to the U.S. they are greeted with "freshman" level coursework in our senior high school level classrooms. I shudder to think about how far ahead the Chinese, Korean and Japanese are. In my junior year at college, I came to know a "junior" physics major from China - we were the same age. He advised the tenured head of the physics department (doctorate) on a regular basis (I witnessed it many times) - in fact, I suspect that my Chinese friend was essentially recruited to the school to aid the physics department with research projects.


...yeah, it's not like that in China.

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