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#31 Aerianne

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Posted August 02 2012 - 08:07 PM

He's a shrewd business man, I'll give him that. He has managed to capitalize on catering to the Christian market in this area.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 08:19 AM

I find it ironic that so many people are exercising their right to free speech to protest someone using his right to free speech.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 08:40 AM

let me start by saying that I'm all for gay marriage and equality in gay relationships across the board. Please, keep that in mind for what I am about to post is going to make me sound like a tool bag (hey, at least you've been warned).

My take on this Chik-Fil-A thing is who gives a flying fuck?!

This shit is being taken so far outta fuckin control that gays all over the country are doing a "kiss in" Are you fucking kidding me?! A kiss-in?!

And to boot, because they are doing this "kiss-in" the media and all these fuckin people are comparing it to the civil rights movement and the sit ins.

Let me make one point clear - during the times when the blacks were doing the sit ins, they were being treated like absolute garbage in this country. They wanted to be equal to every other man in the sense of being able to shit in the same toilet and eat at the same restaurant and vote in the elections. They wanted to be SAVED from all of the beatings and discriminations the white man brought upon them.

How in fucks name is that related to this "kiss in" where the gays are standing in front of these restaurants and making out cuz the president of this restaurant doesn't like them? Can gays not vote? Do they not have the right to walk into any restaurant they choose? Can they use the same toilet as straight people? Just because a company is against gay marriage doesn't put this anywhere near the caliper of the civil rights movement in the 1960s.

And yes, I understand there are hate crimes against gays. But they aren't the only ones. There are hate crimes against every walk of life for one reason or another.

No matter what you do or where you go, there will always be someone who doesn't like you or doesn't agree with what you're doing. You should just keep on keepin on and fuckin forget about it. Instead of making this huge fuckin deal cuz some shitty restaurant I've never heard of until now decides they don't like gays.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 08:50 AM

Probably the best post I've read on the topic, from this fellows blog.
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This post is all I have to say about the Chick-Fil-A controversy. It sums up various posts on the issue and various points made by my friends and I. From now own, rather than spend time debating this issue person by person, I’m going to point people here.

My hope here is to find common ground with those who have disagreed with me on the issue, and maybe to persuade. It’s not to ridicule or to best.

So, in the interest of common ground, let’s start here: I acknowledge the absurdity of all this debate.

It’s definitely strange to have days-long Facebook debates flare up everywhere over a chicken sandwich. The anger, sarcasm, and hurt feelings on display seem strange or even laughable because most people have seen Chick-Fil-A as just a restaurant with a funny ad campaign. I’ll get into some of the whys and wherefores of that later. But, for now, let’s just say that, yes. It can seem ridiculous to get all worked up over fast-food chicken.

Let’s also agree that this isn’t about curtailing anyone’s rights under First Amendment. The Constitution is a legal document. This is not a legal argument. No one is arguing that Chik-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy should be put in prison, or silenced, or censored by the government. This has nothing to do with government censorship or government abridgment of Freedom of Speech. So don’t worry: the ability of this millionaire to legally spend his millions as he sees fit is not in jeopardy. You need not defend it.

Now, let’s get to the nitty-gritty of things. Please read carefully. These things have been said before, but not by me, and not all in one place. Please read with an open mind. If you can’t read with an open mind, please leave, take a minute, come back, and try again. If you can’t do that, then please don’t bother. Please read all of the words here, rather than just reading half of the argument and assuming you know what I’m saying. Read these words as they are written. Again, if you don’t want to read my words, then don’t continue.

So here goes:

1. This isn’t simply about marriage. Shocker, right? It’s extremely frustrating that same-sex marriage is the great continental divide. People are judged according to how they stand on this issue, as if no other issue matters. Did you know that a person can be for same-sex marriage and still be homophobic? Did you know that a person can be against same-sex marriage and be gay? We all get categorized very quickly based on the marriage issue and maybe that’s not fair. But here’s what you should know:

- In 29 states in America today, my partner of 18 years, Cody, or I could be fired for being gay. Period. No questions asked. One of those states is Louisiana, our home state. We live in self-imposed exile from beloved homeland, family, and friends, in part, because of this legal restriction on our ability to live our lives together.

- In 75 countries in the world, being gay is illegal. In many, the penalty is life in prison. These are countries we can’t openly visit. In 9 countries, being gay is punishable by death. In many others, violence against gays is tacitly accepted by the authorities. These are countries where we would be killed. Killed.

- Two organizations that work very hard to maintain this status quo and roll back any protections that we may have are the Family Research Council and the Marriage & Family Foundation. For example, the Family Research council leadership has officially stated that same-gender-loving behavior should be criminalized in this country. They draw their pay, in part, from the donations of companies like Chick-Fil-A. Both groups have also done “missionary” work abroad that served to strengthen and promote criminalization of same-sex relations.

- Chick-Fil-A has given roughly $5M to these organizations to support their work.

- Chick-Fil-A’s money comes from the profits they make when you purchase their products.

2. This isn’t about mutual tolerance because there’s nothing mutual about it. If we agree to disagree on this issue, you walk away a full member of this society and I don’t. There is no “live and let live” on this issue because Dan Cathy is spending millions to very specifically NOT let me live. I’m not trying to do that to him.

Asking for “mutual tolerance” on this like running up to a bully beating a kid to death on the playground and scolding them both for not getting along. I’m not trying to dissolve Mr. Cathy’s marriage or make his sex illegal. I’m not trying to make him a second-class citizen, or get him killed. He’s doing that to me, folks; I’m just fighting back.

All your life, you’re told to stand up to bullies, but when WE do it, we’re told WE are the ones being intolerant? Well, okay. Yes. I refuse to tolerate getting my ass kicked. “Guilty as charged.”

But what are you guilty of? When you see a bully beating up a smaller kid and you don’t take a side, then you ARE taking a side. You’re siding with the bully. And when you cheer him on, you’re revealing something about your own character that really is a shame.

3. This isn’t about Jesus. I have a lot of Christian friends. Most of them are of the liberal variety, it’s true, but even this concept seems lost on some of you. Most of them are pro-LGBT rights. Pro-gay and Pro-Christ are NOT mutually exclusive. They never have been, in the history of Christianity, though it’s been difficult at times. It’s not impossible to be both.

If someone is telling you it is, then maybe you should wonder why they’d do that. I see divorced Christians, remarried Christians, drug addict Christians. I see people with WWJD bracelets bumping and grinding on TV and raking in millions to do it. I see greedy, rapacious, vengeful people who are Christians. And these people are accepted in the Church, and the Church does very little to combat them. Sometimes it seems like being gay is the ONLY thing certain modern Christian movements won’t allow. Why’s that, I wonder?

Jesus had almost nothing to say about sexual behavior of any kind. He was too busy teaching more important things. Empathy is at the heart of his teachings. “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Remember that? It’s in red. So let’s examine that:

4. If things were reversed, I’d stand up for you.

Please think about this: How would you feel if KFC came out tomorrow and said they were spending money against equality for Asian Americans, or African Americans, or religious people? Really. Think about it. What would you do? How would you feel? How would you feel if, after their announcement, there was a big increase in KFC sales and I was all over Facebook supporting KFC. Please stop reading right now and imagine this. I’m serious.

You can stop now because it’s ludicrous. It would never happen.

Oh, I don’t mean the part about KFC being against some group. That COULD happen. I mean the part about me supporting them. Let me tell you something, and you can damn well believe it: I’d sign on for the boycott IMMEDIATELY.

Why? Well, because I believe in equality for all people, that’s why. But also, personally, from the bottom of my heart: because you are my friend, and I don’t willingly support people who harm you for just being you. How could I? How could I, really? But, more importantly for our purposes, how could you?

Seriously, how could you? What has Chick-Fil-A ever done for you? Sold you some fatty chicken at a ridiculous mark-up? Made you chuckle at semi-literate cartoon cows? You mean more to me than KFC possibly could. If I, in turn, don’t mean more to you than a chicken sandwich from Chik-Fil-A–if my life, my quality of life, and my dignity are such afterthoughts to you that you’d not only refuse the boycott, but go out of your way to support someone who was hurting me? if I let this stand, if I don’t stand up to the bullies and if I let my friends egg the bullies on, what does that make me?

Well, it makes me a Chikin.

Yeah, so suddenly it is cause for anger, ridiculous or not.

But I’m not going to stop being Facebook friends with anyone over this issue.

Instead, I will remain. And, when you see my face with my partner’s in my profile, maybe you will examine not simply what your opinions are about gay people, or gay marriage, or the first amendment, even; maybe you’ll examine not merely your opinions but your values. What is friendship to you? What is loyalty? How important are human life and dignity to you? Are they more important than fitting in with your social group? Are they more important than loyalty to a corporate brand, or a political party, or some misguided church teaching?

That’s why we’re so angry. This is personal for us. There are times in your life when you have the opportunity to stand up for your friends. When you let that opportunity pass, your friends notice. It doesn’t mean we can’t be friends, but it diminishes you, and it diminishes the friendship. That’s how it is, no matter what the issue or what the venue.

So stand up. Stand up for us. Do the right thing. You don’t have to agree with us on everything, but repudiate Chick-Fil-A. Unlike them on Facebook. Withdraw your support for them. Join us in the boycott. If you can’t do that, then please ask yourself whether I’m your friend. In fact, ask yourself whether anyone is.

This is all I have to say. If you’d like to debate the issue further, I’ll do it, but I’m not going to go around and around on the same points. If you’re just going to repeat yourself, save us both some time. If you haven’t taken the time to actually read this carefully and actually consider carefully what I’ve said, then I see no reason to waste further words.

The ball is in your court. Again, I urge you to do the right thing.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 08:51 AM

The only thing that really bothers me about this whole debacle is the sheer number of people that showed up yesterday to show support for chik fil a.

This country has serious issues. It's falling apart. There are a million things wrong with it, and the one issue the mainstream public decides to support has to do with giving a goddamn fast food corporation even more profit?

Fucking ridiculous. Welcome to 'merica.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 08:56 AM

I don't get why so many people care so much.

I mean, on one hand, yeah, he's an asshole....

I don't know how the chain works, is it a publically traded company?

If it's a public company, I don't think that they should have "free speech" on a political topic, that seems like citizens united type BS to me. But if it's privately owned I think they should be able to say whatever they want -- with the potential outcome that people choose not to eat there and support those private individuals views.

But who really cares? He has not refused to serve gay people, satan's money is good money too.... If you don't like it don't eat there. I wouldn't eat there anyways...... Never have, never planned on it, this has not influenced me at all.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 09:54 AM

I hope one day they link rising rates of homosexuality to the hormones they pump in chickens raised on the inhumane chicken farms which supply chik fil a.

I know it doesn't really work that way but Oh sweet irony :D

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Posted August 03 2012 - 12:15 PM

I don't think any reasonable person is saying that Dan Cathy does not have the right to express his views. But the rest of us have an equal right to publicly disagree with him, and to question his judgment.

Besides my political/social/moral disagreement with him, he is one leader in a trend toward rejecting one of the fundamental unwritten rules of business, which is to never piss off customers over something that has nothing to do with what you do for a living. I think it's a terrible idea.

Everybody knows that various businesses are owned by all kinds of people with all kinds of views and values, but most of them know when to keep their mouths shut. For example, most of us have bought many things in stores owned by Jewish people, but their sales in America would drop like a stone if they started printing "Jesus was a fraud" on their shopping bags. You know what Jews believe, but they don't rub your nose in it on a daily basis. In other words, they respect all their customers.

When Dan Cathy was quietly giving millions to groups that I disagree with, I didn't have to deal with it. But when he started speaking publicly about it, that made me morally responsible for what I do with that information. I'm going to have to stop patronizing them, because I'm not going to knowingly support any of his favorite causes with one penny of my money.

This is one of those days for me that it sucks to have a conscience, because I like Chick-Fil-A's chicken. Compared to other fast food options, the calories, fat grams and saturated fat are not too bad there because they use peanut oil.

And...let's not let Mike Huckabee totally off the hook in this thread. He didn't start the controversy, but he single-handedly elevated it to the next level. Wednesday's event was his idea. I'm not really sure he is helping that company. In the short term, they had a huge sales day on Wednesday. But now they have become a lightning rod for gay protesters.

Does Dan Cathy even know what he has gotten his company into? This controversy is not going to go away anytime soon. Are all his employees prepared to deal with all the problems that they are about to face?

Quietly avoiding right-wing activist businesses at a personal level may not work out in the long run, if the current trend continues. Another restaurant chain in this area (Cook-Out) prints Bible verses on their bags, and a locally owned restaurant in the area allows a prayer group to meet in the main room and do long fundamentalist prayers that everyone can hear. At least two others have printed statements publicly announcing their financial support of pro-life organizations. How many places am I going to have to cross off my list?
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I'd like to see more people simply demand that businesses get back to what they are supposed to be doing, which is to focus on providing a product or service that customers are willing to pay for. They can do whatever they want on their own time, and with their own money, just like the rest of us. Any other approach is going to take us in a bad direction. I don't think you have to take a Business 101 class to understand this.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 02:17 PM

I don't think any reasonable person is saying that Dan Cathy does not have the right to express his views. But the rest of us have an equal right to publicly disagree with him, and to question his judgment.

Besides my political/social/moral disagreement with him, he is one leader in a trend toward rejecting one of the fundamental unwritten rules of business, which is to never piss off customers over something that has nothing to do with what you do for a living. I think it's a terrible idea.


And...let's not let Mike Huckabee totally off the hook in this thread. He didn't start the controversy, but he single-handedly elevated it to the next level. Wednesday's event was his idea. I'm not really sure he is helping that company. In the short term, they had a huge sales day on Wednesday. But now they have become a lightning rod for gay protesters.

Does Dan Cathy even know what he has gotten his company into? This controversy is not going to go away anytime soon. Are all his employees prepared to deal with all the problems that they are about to face?


I'd like to see more people simply demand that businesses get back to what they are supposed to be doing, which is to focus on providing a product or service that customers are willing to pay for. They can do whatever they want on their own time, and with their own money, just like the rest of us. Any other approach is going to take us in a bad direction. I don't think you have to take a Business 101 class to understand this.


I agree.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 02:43 PM

Also, I hope that not too many folks will miss the broader context of all this. We are fighting a culture war, and if you want to win a war, you have to take every battle seriously. All the minority groups have to support each other, or else we will get picked off one by one. We can't afford to say, "This isn't my issue" just because we aren't likely to be affected personally, this time around. Next time, you may be the victim.

It's always the same old battle, isn't it? We have the group that believes tolerance to be one of the cornerstones of civilization as we know it, and another group that seems to be constantly saying, "Everybody should be required to be like me, because I'm never wrong. I know all of God's opinions." I just don't understand how a rational adult can feel that way. :(

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Posted August 03 2012 - 03:04 PM

Also, I hope that not too many folks will miss the broader context of all this. We are fighting a culture war, and if you want to win a war, you have to take every battle seriously. All the minority groups have to support each other, or else we will get picked off one by one. We can't afford to say, "This isn't my issue" just because we aren't likely to be affected personally, this time around. Next time, you may be the victim.



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Posted August 03 2012 - 03:41 PM

He has been thumbing his nose at the public for years. His stores are closed on Sundays because he says it's the Christian thing to do. He wants the public to feel like if they do anything besides go to church on Sunday then they are scum. He is a pious asshole.



He wants his employees to have Sundays to go to Church (if they so choose) or spend time with their family. Yes he is a family man (I know family is the bad F word now).

I will say one thing that you might want to consider. If he is wrong (about faith and religion) he wasted some time and money (donating etc.) but if your wrong then you will pay for eternity.

He never said he was Anti Gay, just opposed Gary marriage. Marriage by design (God or Nature depending on your belief) is for the union of two people to have children (create them). Everyone wants the Cake Icecream and fudge brownies nowadays no matter what is right or wrong.

Maybe you dont agree, just my opinion on the matter.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 03:44 PM

He wants his employees to have Sundays to go to Church (if they so choose) or spend time with their family.


too bad their families are busy working on sunday like everyone else.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 04:22 PM

I agree with Karen J. This whole thing is ridiculous. And to whoever mentioned the way Americans swooped in to support the company while there are so many more pressing issues in the world today, amen to that. Yes, Cathy has a right to say what he wants, and so do all of us that disagree. But I gotta ask, how can he have a chance to spew his (bigoted) beliefs publicly, but when we want to voice our opinion, we are told to get over it?

What he is doing is bad business, and he is ironically claiming religion as the reason for all his comments, and yet, his very comments and actions are totally against what God would want according to the bible. He is judging those who are different from him, and that is not his place to do so. Sure, free speech allows him the platform, but it could also provide the noose that kills his business. He should think about that. Regardless, I would be unable to sleep at night if I were in his shoes.

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Posted August 03 2012 - 04:34 PM

I agree with Karen J. This whole thing is ridiculous. And to whoever mentioned the way Americans swooped in to support the company while there are so many more pressing issues in the world today, amen to that. Yes, Cathy has a right to say what he wants, and so do all of us that disagree. But I gotta ask, how can he have a chance to spew his (bigoted) beliefs publicly, but when we want to voice our opinion, we are told to get over it?

What he is doing is bad business, and he is ironically claiming religion as the reason for all his comments, and yet, his very comments and actions are totally against what God would want according to the bible. He is judging those who are different from him, and that is not his place to do so. Sure, free speech allows him the platform, but it could also provide the noose that kills his business. He should think about that. Regardless, I would be unable to sleep at night if I were in his shoes.


Like I said, Truett Cathy saw a business opportunity to wrangle a section of society here in the Bible Belt, and he seized it.

Now, that's starting to look like gambling.

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Posted August 04 2012 - 12:00 AM

He wants his employees to have Sundays to go to Church (if they so choose) or spend time with their family. Yes he is a family man (I know family is the bad F word now).

I will say one thing that you might want to consider. If he is wrong (about faith and religion) he wasted some time and money (donating etc.) but if your wrong then you will pay for eternity.

He never said he was Anti Gay, just opposed Gary marriage. Marriage by design (God or Nature depending on your belief) is for the union of two people to have children (create them). Everyone wants the Cake Icecream and fudge brownies nowadays no matter what is right or wrong.

Maybe you dont agree, just my opinion on the matter.



Are you kidding Family is not a bad word now and everybody needs to realize that everybody comes from a different "family"!!!

Whether you come from a religious,Jewish,black,Italian,gay,adoptive, they are all families, and Marriage is a commitment by 2 people who love each other God has nothing to do with my love. And your argument about being able to have children, what about all the children who do not have homes in the foster system, orphanages waiting for somebody to love them?

Where is their family or God?


And I highly doubt I'll be pay for it in eternity, because if there is a god I really think he has a sick sense of humor to let people suffer like they do and turn a blind eye to all the suffering....... like his own disciples who lead churches and have followers trusting them devoting to them, only to hurt the son's or daughters of those followers.......

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Posted August 04 2012 - 01:01 AM

I hate to sound cynical. Im tired of bending over backwards for the homosexuals.


Cos you are too sore the next day? There are ointments for that

As for this thread, theres a joke about this guy being the head of a company that charges for tasty deep fried cocks in there somewhere


Marriage is a commitment by 2 people who love each other


Orrrrr, most of the time two people settle with the only other person thats going to put up with, then marry and start a family cos they dont know what else to do, and thats what most everyone else does.

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Posted August 04 2012 - 04:50 AM

Family is not a bad word


When you respond to troll posts, it just encourages them. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, yesterday saw the first incident of vandalism at a Chick-Fil-A location; graffiti ("Tastes Like Hate") spray-painted on a building in California. And so it begins. :(

Controversy at this level will give landlords more incentive not to rent space to the chain. Chick-Fil-A has already been kicked out of quite a few shopping malls because of their policy of not operating on Sundays. They used to be located primarily inside malls, but most mall owners now spell out in their leases that all the stores have to be open every day that the mall is open.

Better, more positive examples of how to separate work and personal life:

The Marriott hotel chain is controlled by a conservative, devout Mormon family, and Steve Jobs (Apple Computer) was a devout Buddhist. Most people don't know this, because they have never done anything to offend customers who are not like them. They 'get' diversity.

It's important to find out as much as you can about a company's political policies before accepting a job, because you have so few rights as an employee. In 42 US states, your employer can require you to spend time and money supporting political causes that you disagree with! :eek:

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Posted August 04 2012 - 04:56 AM

It was on the news here too. Ridicilous issue. I would not ban this restaurant for the opinion of the owner. Yes, the support is hilarious too. How this drama is pumped up by both media, protesters and supporters can only happen in America :D

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Posted August 04 2012 - 05:41 AM

On a side note, was just reading in the news today, looks like Tasmania is going to be the first Australian state to allow gay marriage, oh the irony

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Posted August 04 2012 - 06:21 AM

I believe the c.e.o of chic -fil -a said he was not for gay marrage , I dont think he said how he felt about gays . If any one hear still does not know chick-fil-a is a fast food chicken resturant chain . And it is good chicken . I had a 4 chicken strip meal yesterday with an iced tea . I am a streght guy and dont care much either way . desert rat

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Posted August 04 2012 - 12:18 PM

I believe the c.e.o of chic -fil -a said he was not for gay marrage , I dont think he said how he felt about gays . If any one hear still does not know chick-fil-a is a fast food chicken resturant chain . And it is good chicken . I had a 4 chicken strip meal yesterday with an iced tea . I am a streght guy and dont care much either way . desert rat


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Posted August 04 2012 - 12:27 PM

There are two points that I am making . 1 The c.e.o. of chick-fil-a does not like gay marrage , thats his rite to feel as he wishes . Should any one else get upset because he feels that way ? 2 They make good chicken . I eat there along with many other places . desert rat

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Posted August 04 2012 - 05:32 PM

Are you kidding Family is not a bad word now and everybody needs to realize that everybody comes from a different "family"!!!

Whether you come from a religious,Jewish,black,Italian,gay,adoptive, they are all families, and Marriage is a commitment by 2 people who love each other God has nothing to do with my love. And your argument about being able to have children, what about all the children who do not have homes in the foster system, orphanages waiting for somebody to love them?

Where is their family or God?


And I highly doubt I'll be pay for it in eternity, because if there is a god I really think he has a sick sense of humor to let people suffer like they do and turn a blind eye to all the suffering....... like his own disciples who lead churches and have followers trusting them devoting to them, only to hurt the son's or daughters of those followers.......

I could go on here but won't as you get my point of view.


I actually get your points, I am not saying a single mom with two children isnt a family etc. and I am not the one to say two people of the same sex who adobt a child are not a family and foster families are all just as important IMO. :love:

There are many bad examples in this world and in the Churches. I believe in Heaven and Hell and Sin, right from wrong etc. but I will not Judge and point fingers because I am NOT perfect and would only be accusing myself. I do think it is important to look out for others who may unknowingly be walking off a spiritual cliff.

Don't let anyone Judge or accuse you, only one can do that He can because He is the Truth and the Light! The good news is he does not hate anyone he only hates the Sin and He gave it all so we could be found guiltless! Please accept my Apologies for any Bigoted Hateful Self Righteous person that has causes pain in this world. There are fakes, fools and corrupt imposters!

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Posted August 04 2012 - 05:38 PM

I don't eat fast food but if I did I wouldn't eat there how dare they. Their job is to provide people with food not take up a cause especially such a rude and ignorant one.

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Posted August 05 2012 - 11:19 AM

I'm married with a daughter, but I have nothing against gay men or women. I like Chick-Fil-A. Whatever happened to the days of buying food without making a political statement? I don't care for the comments made by the CEO of Chick-Fil-A, but I doubt I'll quit going there occasionally. I prefer to think of them as separate entities - a narrow-minded moron running one of the few fast food companies I like. Maybe that says something about the poor choices of fast food more than anything. :confused:

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Posted August 05 2012 - 11:59 AM

Seems to me that every few years there is some company that does "x" that lots of people don't like. If it really annoys you, you have to decide for yourself the most effective way of telling that company that you and large numbers of people disagree with that policy.

If the company is publicly traded, stockholders who want to see change can demand it. That would work if enough people got involved.

Someone with a different point of view could rise to board level in the company and persuade the other board members to stick to chicken and quit commenting about other stuff.

Customers or potential customers could either have a "gay dollars day" to show how much of the store's revenue comes from the gay community. Or they could boycott the restaurant on a specific day. Seems like either approach might work.

Did Cathey come out and say he opposes gay marriage?
Is opposition to changing marriage laws the same as hate of gays?
I don't think we need to change the definition of marriage, but if two people want to share a house and a bank account, establish visitation rights at a hospital, stuff like that, then sure, make that legal and easy for anyone who wants to do that.

I heard an audio in which he says that kids need both parents in their lives for the best chance of growing up with role models of both genders, but he did concede that families without a man or without a woman could find role models of that gender from outside the nuclear family. Is this the quote that led to the accusation that Cathey hates gays?
If so, it is irresponsible to claim hate based on that one comment alone. Perhaps there's some other quote that I don't know of.

But this guy just fries chicken for a living. Why should we take his advise about how to raise kids?

I do not like the conservative charities he donates to. Some of them are anti-nudist, but I have not decided to stop eating chicken sandwiches because of these donations. I am willing to listen to what others have to say about all this. Do you boycott every company every time you disagree with them?
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Posted August 06 2012 - 09:23 AM

Did Cathey come out and say he opposes gay marriage?


Yes, more than once.

He also strongly implied that he would not promote someone into upper management who got divorced and remarried (straight). That policy is illegal. You can't run a company like a religious organization. They're not the same thing.

Is opposition to changing marriage laws the same as hate of gays?


I would have to say yes. My position on this has changed over the years, as I've learned more about the situation. As a (mostly) straight woman, I didn't see the whole picture right away.

While a change in the law would benefit gay couples greatly, it costs straight people nothing, so there is no legitimate reason for us to oppose it.

When someone wants to make others miserable while gaining no benefit for themselves or one's family, that's just being an asshole.

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Posted August 06 2012 - 09:29 AM

I think it is not the same.

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Posted August 06 2012 - 09:30 AM

I'm married with a daughter, but I have nothing against gay men or women. I like Chick-Fil-A. Whatever happened to the days of buying food without making a political statement? I don't care for the comments made by the CEO of Chick-Fil-A, but I doubt I'll quit going there occasionally. I prefer to think of them as separate entities - a narrow-minded moron running one of the few fast food companies I like. Maybe that says something about the poor choices of fast food more than anything. :confused:


Thank you.