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#31 FlyingFly

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Posted March 30 2012 - 12:52 PM

if it was as easy to survive outside of 'society' as you seem to think it is, many more people would be doing it.

Imo most of the people just think that it is an absurd, or they don't believe in their skill, or just don't know what to expect.
Many of them break to travelling, but not many decide to stay in place.
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Posted March 31 2012 - 08:04 AM

Let's take the red pill, go to wonderland, and see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

I've been fed up with this consumerist-driven artificial environment we've created to pseudo-sustain ourselves. Those of us wanting to escape slavery need to create our own better society... a Zion of sorts.


I've heard a lot of people doubting escape, but honestly, it's completely possible- especially with the drive and motivation us youngins have. There are many with like-minds that would be interested in leaving and creating a beautiful place all to our own. All we have to do is collaborate (and find the right place to set it up) I was thinking more towards the east coast since the winters are less brutal and it's more fertile.
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Posted March 31 2012 - 09:48 AM

Indigo Im totally w you. Im onlya few weeks away from starting my backpacking trip across the US in sarch of an off grid community! I am pumped!

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Posted March 31 2012 - 01:46 PM

Ive been thinking of leaving the society too, just waiting to finish high school and gather some cash then ill be on my way to freedom.

i have Spain or Mexico in mind but California seems nice.

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Posted March 31 2012 - 10:31 PM

Pink-Zeppelin:

California is beautiful! I've never been there but if I could choose a place to settle down in regardless of existing circumstances, it would be Cali.

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Posted April 02 2012 - 06:38 AM

...I would like to sell my house here in europe, buy some forest somewhere in the world and move in the middle of it. I will still need to have some money to pay taxes thouh...


With your own house at 17 you should be sitting pretty to go where ever you like. LOL!

Lessee, I recently checked and the room Uncle Sugar provided me (back in another life) in the '70's was turned into a condo and was for sale for a quarter of a million euros!

Seriously, don't give up on your dreams but remember that every old phart you run into had (and probably still has) the same dreams. Just do what you can with what you have, try to be happy and do harm to no one.

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Posted April 03 2012 - 11:02 PM

You know a few years ago I would have cautioned someone your age not to be impulsive. My injuries have made me change my outlook on things. You never know what will happen tomorrow so you have to live for today and do what will make you happy. The only person who knows what is right for you is you. The only thing I would caution is to make sure of your skills before embarking on your journey. Life in the wild can been tough. Perhaps before droping out compleatly try living on the fringe of socity. Than gradualy got further out as your skills improve and you are confident in your surival skills. Remember he died in the end of that movie. Finally, I am sure you could find like minded people to got with. Your maybe find being alone to be the hardest part.

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Posted April 05 2012 - 06:23 PM

Keep a cool head mon...

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Posted April 06 2012 - 07:56 AM

hobos have the coolest stories..... one had said he found a loophole at a bank and once scored some free cash due to a decimal error dont know if he was being legit or just high as fuck lol



hobos also usually have the most gnarly scars too... from getting stabbed.. mugged.. thrown off trains... beat up.. harassed by cops.. shot..

you're 17.. you hate life now because you're 17.. it's a teenage thing.. once you're 18.. and your parents have no restraint over you.. life is what you make it.. i was once told that hell is what you're given and heaven is what you make it.. get into either the work place immediately or go to college.. do one or the other.. don't be a bum.. if ya work hard.. by 25 you can be living a happy life.. im 30.. there's things i love about my life.. there's things i hate about my life.. i have things i can do to "get away from it all" other than drugs.. i go camping when i really need to get far away... i work a job(~140hrs a month).. that is getting tiring on me.. that pays well for what i do and it keeps enough cash in my pocket to keep a roof over my head.. clothes on my body and shoes on my feet.. stomach full.. vehicle..pay bills and spend frivolously... a good chunk of the rest of my time is away time... fishing.. hiking.. camping.. spending time with my gf.. working on the garden.. whatever i make of it... I'd like to be somewhere else right now.. but i'm waiting for the gf to finish up her nursing degree so i do what i gotta do to get by... and that's life.. things i love.. things i hate.. things i don't like.. things i like.. yin and yang

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#40 prohibitionfighter

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Posted April 10 2012 - 06:59 PM

I wanna do this just go out and live free, but land isn't free anymore not like it was for my ancestors. I was raised by a full Italian mother and a mostly Native American father. I grew up so proud of my haritage and tryed to learn all the things they new. Now i am 23 with no job, not because i am not smart enough to handle any job you throw at me, not because i have taught myself every bit of survive training my ansetors left me to learn, not because i don't know how to build, work, farm, and survive. Purely because i got my degree in computers and for a man my age there are no jobs in computers. I know so much about Native American survivel tactics and i grew up on a farm so i know european survivel quite well also. But the world doesn't seem to want my knowledge, why, cause we think the answer is always going to be there. Well i wanna just shout out "If you don't value knowledge from the past, your futures are doomed!" but i am afraid to do it alone.

Is there anyone out there that will start shouting with me, will anyone go to that public place and start giving speeches on how they feel the world should work. Shout about the past, Shout about the present, and most importantly Shout about the Future.

They say for a man to get angry enough to shout he burns 100 times more energy then if he stayed complacent. Well i am willing to give the world that energy back if it means it will save it, so will you shout?

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Posted April 11 2012 - 01:28 PM

That was... unexpected.
I think you can't convince most of the people by just shouting what you think is right. ( no matter if it is or not )

Theres a lot of job in IT, what did you do specifically?

And I guess there always will be some people willing to listen to you.

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Posted April 11 2012 - 01:48 PM

That was... unexpected.
I think you can't convince most of the people by just shouting what you think is right. ( no matter if it is or not )

Theres a lot of job in IT, what did you do specifically?

And I guess there always will be some people willing to listen to you.

I have my degree in management systems, which means i know how to talk in everything from HTML, Dos, Java, and Css. I have also applied at literally thousands of jobs in the last 4 years. I think the main reason i can't get a job in any of these fields is because our economy sucks right now so there are alot of 25-40 year olds applying for the same job openings. Thus most businesses would rather hire someone older the a kid like me even though a graduated with honors and got an award for being the second smartest in my class.

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Posted April 29 2012 - 03:55 PM

What the fuck? Don't listen too this bullshit advice!


I am going to tell you a story...

Easter Island is a tiny island (63.1 sq mi) in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. From the tallest hill you can see everything on the island. Once it was a lush tropical forest, filled with flora and fauna. Enough resources to sustain a population of several thousand people (15,000 at its height).

The villagers who lived there believed that dead had a symbiotic relationship with the dead. They built huge stone statues called Maoi to honour their dead so the dead would provide for living. They would cut down trees to move the maoi around. After a few generations there were no trees on the island over ten feet tall.

The islanders traditionally fished for most of their sustenance, but because of the lack of trees they couldn't build seaworthy vessels. With the collapse of the jungle ecosystem came the collapse of all their agriculture and livestock. Cannibalism became the norm.

Now imagine for a moment if you will the men who cut down the last grove of trees on the island. They must of known that these were the last ones. Were they overcome by inertia? Did they have ultimate faith that the gods of their ancestors would deliver them from their self imposed perils?

We now find ourselves in the same boat. As young men and women coming of age in the 21st century, we are faced with problems that we that no human has ever faced before. Global warming, arable farmland turning into dustbowls, exploding population and deforestation. Most people don't really realize how fucked we are.

At fault is the western global capitalistic empire. The people who are advocating assimilation and submission to the status quo are part of the problem. These people have been living in a veritable golden age of progress and prosperity. Their children and grand children will pay the price of there selfishness.

The worlds needs charismatic and driven individuals who feel the call of the wild and reject the status quo like never before. We can't work out these problems inside society because change will come too slow and we will miss our chance. Follow your heart dude.


If your interested in easter island, heres a link with a lot of good info.
http://www.primitivi...ster-island.htm

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#44 Mudwendigo

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Posted April 29 2012 - 03:59 PM

I am 18 years old and I am going to go to college for a forestry technician program(2 years). I know, I sound like a hypocrite but I think going to need the knowledge and experience to truly make a difference

Besides even if all of our efforts are moot and we can't change shit, it will still be a lot of fun.

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Posted April 30 2012 - 07:41 PM

I am 18 years old and I am going to go to college for a forestry technician program(2 years). I know, I sound like a hypocrite but I think going to need the knowledge and experience to truly make a difference

Besides even if all of our efforts are moot and we can't change shit, it will still be a lot of fun.

We can always change shit dude, never in your life do you not have the ability to work toward changing your situation.

I am not saying the knowledge gained from education is wrong or bad. Education is a great thing, but i could teach myself most of what you would learn in any school and know it better then most students from that school. The world has changed, we are all growing in knowledge and strength.

Also Mudwindigo i wanted to say i agree with what you have said but since when does a charismatic person say it is anyones fault. The world is and always has been our responsibility, nothing anyone else does should change that belief in you. Yes a few trees may die but many more will grow, just because adaptation made a mistake doesn't mean life stops.

All things considered i think i am a pretty lucky person living in our current time, if not for the technological advancements then at least because i get to see our planet, in all its living glory, everyday. Yes it may look different and now some species don't exist but life still grows, and that is all living is about.

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Posted May 02 2012 - 01:38 PM

Lets be honest. We can't do much. Most of young people are idiots anyway. It is now fashionable to be stupid.

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Posted May 19 2012 - 04:19 PM

As a person who lived in the Alaska bush (wilderness) for many years, I can say it is the hardest, but most rewarding lifestyle anyone can choose. Let me know if you have questions.
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Posted May 21 2012 - 06:46 AM

Are there any good programs to help someone get out there to live maybe in a situation where you and a few others work together to remain self sufficient?

As a person who lived in the Alaska bush (wilderness) for many years, I can say it is the hardest, but most rewarding lifestyle anyone can choose. Let me know if you have questions.



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Posted May 21 2012 - 07:18 AM

As a person who lived in the Alaska bush (wilderness) for many years, I can say it is the hardest, but most rewarding lifestyle anyone can choose. Let me know if you have questions.

I've sent you message, I'll be thankful if you want to go through it :)

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Posted May 21 2012 - 08:51 PM

I have seen a lot more problems than solutions in groups other than families/couples.... Tribes can do okay with larger groups.
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Posted May 22 2012 - 12:31 AM

I hate society. I hate civilisation. I hate it for so many thing it would be pointless to describe all of them here. Sure there are nice things that keep me away from commiting suicide, like internet, games, programming, drugs... But I would exchange all of this to live as we are supposed to live, maybe with little help of technology.............

................What do you think about all of this? Anyone here feels similar?

Yes i feel the same way!!!!

I hate what this world has become and I DONT WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYONE IN IT!! (I much prefer BEING ALONE than any other way!!)


There are a few people i do associate with BUT ITS GROWN QUITE SMALL compared to how i used to be BEFORE I WOKE UP AND REALISED HOW BAD IT REALLY HAS GOTTON..

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Posted May 25 2012 - 01:50 PM

you don't die from dropping out . it will also mean
you are able to give more than you need or receive .
don't want to give anything ? who cares . nobody
will know exactly what you have and won't ask you for any
thing .

someone might ask of your secret though .

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Posted June 02 2012 - 04:04 PM

we cannot live out side of society because society wont let us 40acres of land in the northern parts of ontario canada costs 30,000$ cdn they give it away i live there for 20years i was raised beside a amish mennonite settlement who completly lives off the grid however there still forced to sell baked goods syrup chikens build homes etc to the white man in order to pay the taxes of their land i suppose a fat bank account could take care of this but its a rat race and saving money is easier said than done even communes have to make money..im suggesting moving to the interior of alaska and digging deep into the land to elude uncle sam....

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Posted June 02 2012 - 04:12 PM

We can always change shit dude, never in your life do you not have the ability to work toward changing your situation.

I am not saying the knowledge gained from education is wrong or bad. Education is a great thing, but i could teach myself most of what you would learn in any school and know it better then most students from that school. The world has changed, we are all growing in knowledge and strength.

Also Mudwindigo i wanted to say i agree with what you have said but since when does a charismatic person say it is anyones fault. The world is and always has been our responsibility, nothing anyone else does should change that belief in you. Yes a few trees may die but many more will grow, just because adaptation made a mistake doesn't mean life stops.

All things considered i think i am a pretty lucky person living in our current time, if not for the technological advancements then at least because i get to see our planet, in all its living glory, everyday. Yes it may look different and now some species don't exist but life still grows, and that is all living is about.


To believe in something and not act on it, is dishonest.
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Posted June 02 2012 - 04:19 PM

A commune could totally work, sell lumber for taxes and homemade drugs for everything else.

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Posted June 02 2012 - 04:20 PM

I am 18 years old and I am going to go to college for a forestry technician program(2 years). I know, I sound like a hypocrite but I think going to need the knowledge and experience to truly make a difference

Besides even if all of our efforts are moot and we can't change shit, it will still be a lot of fun.


Exactly, Mudwendigo. Fight the fight for it's own sake.

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Posted June 02 2012 - 05:06 PM

Did you ever had this... 'call of the wild'?

Hope that some of you won't be scared by this wall of text.



I hate society. I hate civilisation. I hate it for so many thing it would be pointless to describe all of them here. Sure there are nice things that keep me away from commiting suicide, like internet, games, programming, drugs... But I would exchange all of this to live as we are supposed to live, maybe with little help of technology.

I don't like the way we currently live. Waste your best years in school, next university. And now you have made it. You have officially became a robot. Go to work, go back home, sleep. Sounds like a wonderfull life... Family, friends, they say, 'hey you can work hard for like 20 years and then do whatever you want'. Sure. I fucking love preparing all my childhood to work somewhere or 20 years like an idiot and later on when I'm old and can't do half of the things, continue with my life...



Lately I was thinking if there was some way to become completly self-sufficient. I would like to sell my house here in europe, buy some forest somewhere in the world and move in the middle of it. I will still need to have some money to pay taxes thouh. Everyone to whom I have mentioned something like this laughed and called me crazy. I would like to be like them. Just accept how society functions. Or be blind and don't see anything. Why the hell I can't be some random common idiot, not thinking about anything, just being happy...

Probably won't hear from any people, which decided to live in wild, as they won't have computers there ;) So it is kinda hard to know if someone succeded and how he did it. ( like this '21 years in a van' guy )

I have picked-up some survival books lately, so if there will be opportunity to do what I want, I will be prepared at least mentally. I wish I would some day crash into some island without people or in some way happen to be there, being able to stay there, not going back to society.



I would probably collect some tools, first aid kit of some sort and maybe even a tent, to be help in the begginings. Then build a hut, maybe make farm, maybe breed animals. Still need to pick up lots of informations. And live this way, improving my small personal imperium everyday, living without money, worrying only about food and fire.

Still not sure if I would be able to live like this for many years. I am rather introvert outsider, choosing not social way of live. But I don't know how I would do completly alone for that long time.

I'm currently 17, so I still have some time to make decisions. Maybe I will finish university and see if I still want this. If I will survive so long.


What do you think about all of this? Anyone here feels similar?



Sure i felt like that but it was in the past when i was young. I didn't go to high school. I hitchiked the USA in 1967 on and never looked back. I got by working on farms and staying clear of cities. I found a few cool spots off the sides of freeways and roads where no people ever go. I did though settle in with some other hippies back then and we started a ranch called the Too highs or too high earth ranch. However, i still felt like i wasn't free bt a slave doing all the hard work while they rest partied all the time. So i left and went back east and got involved in a business rebuilding old homes and running recovery homes for ex drug addicts and alcoholics.. I then went to school and finished high school in a semester in college. I then went on and got two associates but i did it for enrichment not for a career. I have never had a career. I have just done lots of different stuff mostly out in forest where there are lots of trees. I don't like cities because well we all came from cities and most got caugh up as you say working for the man / corporations. I am now older and am a caregiver and bought a little 6 acre farm for 58k and am having fun rebuilding it and living a simple life. Yes i have started a recycling center and built 6 apartments and 6 houses all basically green homes using very little energy and yes i helped many recovering peeps get their lives together and yes i have had 200 acre farms and sold them and opened up homless shelters for transgender people and then i became homeless myself. But if you don't live life and experience it what else is there? Working for the man ??? no way jose ! If your a hard worker and love to work like i do yo can always do well out there helping other people. I mean like do you have to own it??? I say no way because in the end you ain't taking it with you and you don't want to spoil your kids with a bunch of in heritance. Hey i ain't getting anything and that ok. I am my moms caregiver though and she is 89 and cool. thats cool hh i now wipe her butt and put her to bed lol .. yepper its ok you can follow your own dreams just so long as you don't get all hng up about stuff and as long as your healthy and help others and don't want to own it.. I mean like Jess said its harder for a rich man to get to heaven than it is for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle .. thats cool .. yes i am poor but thats cool too because lots of people are cool. Oh i live right next to amish and mennonites who are good people and work hard. they like me to help them and drive them and well i fond a whole different world from those career peeps.. have fun peace and love and keep it green Amazon D
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Posted June 02 2012 - 05:19 PM

Remember you should always start a garden growing food every yr just for the learning expererince. Try volunteering for a farm by going to http://www.rodaleinstitute.org/opport or go to http://www.growfood.org/ or go to http://reach.ic.org/postings/ and work with other people. When people say there isn't a job thats when there are lots of jobs that need to be done like helping the elderly or gardening or cleaning up a junk pile.. If you do these things older people will see your willing and able and they will hire you or feed you or help you. Never ever say i can't find work.. the whole world needs a lot of help fixing it back up..
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Posted June 02 2012 - 05:23 PM

Hey my friend mark creekwater peacewalker was just at my place in the beginning of the week. He left college and has been walking all over the USA since the 80's.. He knows all the places.. he is on his way to wash DC then to Phila for the july 4th www.the99declaration.org convention.. He can teach you all about where to go to. google him "Mark Creekwater"
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