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#1 loak kala

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Posted October 14 2011 - 02:54 PM

just wondering what the best alternative to m.d.m.a is.

what are your thoughts on 4-f.m.c (flephedrone)

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#2 Mr.Writer

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Posted October 14 2011 - 03:00 PM

Nothing comes as close as BK-MDMA, Methylone.

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Posted October 14 2011 - 04:11 PM

I second that thought....

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Posted October 14 2011 - 05:25 PM

Nothing comes as close as BK-MDMA, Methylone.


Did you ever notice a change in methylone over time? I was many years ago receiving yellow-toned and characteristic-odoured plant fewd. Then it became more white-coloured, and noticably ... lower potency or of a different substance and grade.

Anyone compare 6-APB or other current market items as to what 'comes as close as' or is the best 'alternative'?

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Posted October 14 2011 - 05:30 PM

Anyone compare 6-APB or other current market items as to what 'comes as close as' or is the best 'alternative'?


6-apb is even closer, it's slightly lacking on the lovey aspect (could have been set/setting) but it's got more of the light psychedelia and more full on than methylone.
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Posted October 14 2011 - 07:48 PM

^^did you mention before that you found the combo of 6-apb + 5-apb more like ecstasy than either alone?

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Posted October 14 2011 - 08:10 PM

^^did you mention before that you found the combo of 6-apb + 5-apb more like ecstasy than either alone?


Yah, the combo is more like ecstasy.
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Posted October 14 2011 - 09:56 PM

Did you ever notice a change in methylone over time? I was many years ago receiving yellow-toned and characteristic-odoured plant fewd. Then it became more white-coloured, and noticably ... lower potency or of a different substance and grade.


I only ever bought it once and it was white. I had a ridiculously good time. I liked it more than MDMA even in some ways :)

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Posted October 14 2011 - 10:17 PM

I only ever bought it once and it was white. I had a ridiculously good time. I liked it more than MDMA even in some ways :)


I'm curious as to what aspects you prefer from methylone over mdma and what your doses for methylone were like? I'm pretty sure ive read you dose mdma in that 100-130 mgs range...
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Posted October 15 2011 - 04:25 AM

Methylone felt much cleaner and had more of a stim aspect to it, which I enjoy like you, and MDMA can lack that at times. But really it was just very clean and dirt cheap :D

I don't remember for sure what my dose was but I think around 200-250mg oral.

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Posted October 22 2011 - 11:01 PM

what RC vender do you recommend

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Posted October 22 2011 - 11:10 PM

what RC vender do you recommend


this forum has a policy that states no discussion of sources.. just to let you know mate

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search google for full chemical name of desired substance and look for stuff on the later pages of the search (not first few):sunny:
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Posted October 22 2011 - 11:54 PM

The only one I can compare is also methylone; and while it is quality, it is no MDMA, nothing ever will be :) Methylone (ugh dastardly ban; I did love it!) has nearly the same initial onset and "rush" as mdma but it lacks the over-the-top, lovey dovey quality of mdma (though admittedly my dosage of each has been on the lower side). Also, it has an irritatingly short duration, roughly 3 hours total for an initial dose, which for myself and from what I've read, plenty of others, brings a STRONG urge to redose over and over. Never got yellowish M1, do remember however the first time (ahhhhh the 1st time on any quality substance is the BEST)...it was sparkly crystals and damn near mdma, then it gradually shifted to a more powdery, flour looking substance that was still good.

I've heard great things about 6apd (GB, taking a lot of what you have said into account), actually have had some for a couple weeks now and am still trying to find time to give it a go; though now I wish I had some 5abp to compliment it :)
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Posted October 24 2011 - 07:41 AM

The only one I can compare is also methylone; and while it is quality, it is no MDMA, nothing ever will be :) Methylone (ugh dastardly ban; I did love it!) has nearly the same initial onset and "rush" as mdma but it lacks the over-the-top, lovey dovey quality of mdma (though admittedly my dosage of each has been on the lower side). Also, it has an irritatingly short duration, roughly 3 hours total for an initial dose, which for myself and from what I've read, plenty of others, brings a STRONG urge to redose over and over. Never got yellowish M1, do remember however the first time (ahhhhh the 1st time on any quality substance is the BEST)...it was sparkly crystals and damn near mdma, then it gradually shifted to a more powdery, flour looking substance that was still good.

I've heard great things about 6apd (GB, taking a lot of what you have said into account), actually have had some for a couple weeks now and am still trying to find time to give it a go; though now I wish I had some 5abp to compliment it :)


Be sure to let us know how this goes for you man!

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Posted October 24 2011 - 05:50 PM

Ive had bad experiences with finding an alternative to mdma. Like mephedrone,took 500mgs and felt nothing (and it was tested 100% pure, i saw the results. natural tolerance i guess). Nothing seems to really top it, but ive learned thats because these other chems just really are NOT Mdma and shouldnt be judged as such. Just like people comparing every other psychedelic to LSD. They should be respected as their own not as mdma. Dont get me wrong though, I want a perfect mdma replacement too. I'm very curious about 5 and 6apd though,

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Posted October 24 2011 - 06:47 PM

... They should be respected as their own not as mdma. Dont get me wrong though, I want a perfect mdma replacement too. I'm very curious about 5 and 6apd though,


After being spoiled on good n' plenty M1 and 4mmc, mdma never really felt all that 'magical' ... kind of as if mdma was a poor substitute for original recipe M1. I greatly realize your statement that all things should stand on their own, though the uninitiated, but curious and scared will often ask 'whats it like?'

Now I just tell people "It tastes like chicken!" :mickey:

But, 6-apb is like a watered down M1, if I must make such base comparisons. :2thumbsup:

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Posted October 24 2011 - 08:01 PM

^ Interesting to hear you say that rcable, although I've heard a few people enjoy M1.

I defintely can see MDMA's magic seeming 'tame' compared to mephedrone but it's far superior to methylone ime. I'm not sure the enviornment you use it but it excels far more in social enviornments with a good amount of stimulation. 6-apb has that same kind of heavy emphasis on setting, I also think it's vastly superior, potent and deeper than M1.

I don't even consider methylone an empathogen actually but it seems whichever entactogen one tries first is usually the one people fancy.
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Posted October 26 2011 - 01:28 AM

I never liked mdma, because hardly anyone ever had completely pure stuff. Any mdma that isnt pure just has this odd feeling attached to it, like its stripping stuff out of me (not just on a chemical level, but emotional/spiritual as well)

6 + 5-apb is pretty magical

m1 + 4-mmc at a 60%/40% ratio is very nice
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Posted October 30 2011 - 02:25 AM

there's more designer drugs out right now than ever before, i can get methylone for around $10/g without buying huge quantities it took a little work to get the sources i have for the things i can get my hands on...i do wish i had a source to get Rx benzos and opiates, stuff like that..and viagra might be nice to go with the methylone lol

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Posted October 30 2011 - 06:32 PM

i tried pentedrone and its kinda similar

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Posted October 31 2011 - 05:19 PM

I'd agree methylone is closest to MDMA, but if you combine it with MDAI its even close. Also, I find 4-FA (when you get high quality product which is rare) to be similar to MDMA and i might even like it better than methylone, though they are different. 6-APB doesn't seem to give me nearly as much euphoria as methylone, though when I took 200 mg it lasted 14 hours which I was not expecting because i based it on my experience with 100 mg 5-apb which was pretty week and just made me want to take more to get to the level i wanted. The 6-apb definitely uplifted my mood though, just not to such extreme levels as mdma methylone or 4-fa. Could have been my mood when i took it though, I'll try it again and after im feelin it probably do some 4-fa and MDAI to add that euphoric touch. I dunno maybe MDAI would help out the euphoria from 6-apb a lot by itself.

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Posted October 31 2011 - 05:22 PM

After taking 6-apb at Shpongle this weekend, I definitely stick by my assertion that its much closer to MDMA than methylone is. As organic said though the 6 apb + 5 apb combo is pure magic.
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Posted November 01 2011 - 06:43 PM

6-APB, 5-MeO-MIPT, 2C-I at 5mg

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Posted November 09 2011 - 12:56 PM

I find methylone to be closer to MDMA than 6-apb myself. I don't find 6-apb to be super euphoric like methylone is, or 4-fa. 4-fa is really nice too, maybe even better than methylone.

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Posted November 09 2011 - 03:04 PM

I took some 5x Kanna extract under the tongue and it kinda resembles a mild mescaline feeling. I wasn't expecting it but was pleasantly surprised.

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Posted November 14 2011 - 12:39 PM

I ended up mixing both of the two common responses in this thread ( 6 apb + methylone) a few days ago and that created a very solid mdma ish type roll. I enjoyed the earlier onset that the methylone provided and it may have been more euphoric than the 5 apb + 6 apb, although I think I prefer the latter. The combination complemented each other extremely well, the only negative was the discrepancy in duration, the methylone wore off long before the 6 apb did and the 6 apb has a bit more cerebral edge to it, so I started analyzing the comedown a bit more but I took an energy drink and that brought me back up slightly.
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Posted November 14 2011 - 07:13 PM

I personally found 4-mmc to be fairly close shorted lived replacement to MDMA but just far more dirty, when i tried methylone i only snorted a line & found it threw me into a really uncomfortable anxiety ridden verging on a panic attack feelings & cant say i really enjoyed it at all. I think if it pops up again on my radar ill try eating it.

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Posted November 15 2011 - 12:55 PM

5-methyl-MDA
MDOH
FLEA
theres a few more but those are the up and coming MDMA replacements in the up coming months.

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Posted November 25 2011 - 04:13 PM

havent tried 6-apb yet although 160mg bombed of 5-apb was very, very MDMA esque, as in i'd just about say it was better. slightly less empathy but still very empathogenic.

otherwise IMO it was undescernable from the madam..

160mg 5-apb;

come-up; 1.5-2 hrs after dosing
peak; 2 through to 6 hrs after dosing
comedown; sharp drop off of euphoric effect around 7-8hrs after dosing, leaving residual stimulation.

general peak effects;

empathetic feelings, emotion
high excess energy
vibration of visual field
excitability
restlessness
hyperactivity
monged out body rush
music enhancment
eye wiggles
pupil dialation
light perception alteration
dry mouth
vasoconstriction (not excessive but def there)
sexual enhancement
alteration of perception to physical sensation

overall a very very cool thing. i give it a 9.5/10 for substitution for the madam
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Posted November 25 2011 - 04:37 PM

I ended up mixing both of the two common responses in this thread ( 6 apb + methylone) a few days ago and that created a very solid mdma ish type roll. I enjoyed the earlier onset that the methylone provided and it may have been more euphoric than the 5 apb + 6 apb, although I think I prefer the latter. The combination complemented each other extremely well, the only negative was the discrepancy in duration, the methylone wore off long before the 6 apb did and the 6 apb has a bit more cerebral edge to it, so I started analyzing the comedown a bit more but I took an energy drink and that brought me back up slightly.


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