2012

I want to put this thread on the psychedelic forum because i am most familiar with the people on here and i also feel that the two are semi-interlinked. That being psychedelics and the year 2012.

Something that we can share our thoughts on. A legit and honest assessment of the phenomena of this mysterious year.

I would love to see something manifest in the same way that the "Psychedelic Revolution" thread manifested. Full of debate and intellectual opinions and insights.


Yes, it is true. Nobody knows what is going to happen. If anything at all.

And yes, i understand, we shouldn't be worrying so much about something that we can't know the outcome of. We should be living in the Now. I understand.

But all i know is that life is dramatically shifting, DAILY. And that's happening right now. And it is going to continue to happen. And the fact of the matter is, is that the gap between Now and 2012 is rapidly closing.

Yes, it's true. Life is always shifting. It's always changing. It's never been any other way.

But this is different, i must say. Things are accelerating. Surely i cannot be the ONLY person who feels this dramatic shift taking place. I see it all around me. It is true that i see it through the lens of a particular personality, and perhaps you could argue that what you look for you will find everywhere.

But is it not true that there is ultimately no seperation, no division, between myself and the world? And the universe?

Therefore it is no surprise that that which is shifting within me is also shifting all around me. It's always been One thing.

And as i say that things are accelerating, including Time, simultaneously everything seems to be coming to a sudden halt. An utter stopping. Time seems to be speeding up. Yet it also seems to be ending, even disappearing, completely.

Perhaps it's because i'm coming to a more mature recognition of That which always is. The Changeless. The Eternal. Call it what you will.

Deja Vu rules my world. Strange objects hovering about in the night sky. Astral projection is nagging at me in my sleep. Along with lucid dreaming. Kundalini surges of electricity up through my spine. Gigantic surges of inspiration, followed by deep desolation, are the theme of the day. Psychedelic tripping fills the past four years of my life. Nothing is quite what it seems. Reality has a certain transparency to it. Everything seems to be crumbling right before my eyes.

And so in one way, this is just part of my own "individual" journey. But this certainly isn't all about me. In fact, the deeper you go, the more you realize it's about everyone and everything else. I AM the world.

So i'm just trying to guage what the hell is going on with everyone else out there. In my eyes 2012 marks a grandiose changing over. A gigantic evolution. Or devolution.

Heaven and Hell will reveal their true colors. It will be a terrible time. It will be an enchanting time. The ugliest of ugly, and the most beautiful of beauty. All the cards will be laid down. The tensions will only get more extreme in this two year time frame. A fierce grace will burn through the days.

I smell the Apocalypse. We either curl up in a little ball and die out as a race, or we open ourselves to the rest of the Galaxy and the Cosmos. Existence is going to back the human race right up against a wall, shine a white beaming light right in its face, and truley test if we deserve to move forth or not.

Are these too epic of expectations? Perhaps. Maybe even probably. But even then, so what? Perhaps i'm totally wrong about all of this. Maybe i'm way off the mark. Then I'll scratch my head, probably call myself a fool, and move on with my life.

But something urges me deep within to really brace myself. Something intense is going to happen. It's already happening, in fact. Something within me so strongly feels the INEVITABILITY of all of this. There's no escaping now.


That's my two cents. But much more importantly, what do YOU think?

 

Bio Fuel and Big Cars.... OR GFTO!!

 

2012. A date everyone remembers, but I see no planning for a party! Time's ours, but we're all either too selfish or too generous to do something about it!

I'll do my part whatever eventuates. Mushrooms will be my staple by then.

 

Damn. So nobody has any opinions? At all? Or perhaps nobody cares?

 

Another end of the world theory? I don't know about you but I died in Y2k.

 

I just spoke with real mexica Indians this morning after a peyote ceremony. They say the 2012
stuff is bullshit. (go figure) Even the nahuatl elders have long since lost the corresponding gregorian calendar date of the end of the baktun. It has 0 to do with the end of the world or some new age hippie energy crap. Its about nahuatl religion and their sacred calendric system, little to no connotation for people outside of their culture.

 

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plus u cant say a thread is gonna be a big one just like u cant pick ur own nickname or u find acid..

 

Good point.

I guess i'm just surprised that nobody takes it as seriously as i do. I don't necessarily see it as the end of the world. I just see it as a legit change. And a profound one.

It semi bothers me that people seem to be clouded over by the new agey bullshit vibes surrounding 2012 instead of taking a serious look at the potentials. Anything in the world is going to have cheesey vibes surrounding them from one vantage point. But i'm inviting you all to perhaps look at 2012 in a more serious light.

It's no different than speaking about psychedelics. From one perspective, LSD is a joke to people. They laugh and scold at the potentials and revelatory implications that tripping out can offer to people. They shake their heads at these ludicrous ideas. From their vantage point, LSD is a new agey hippie load of bullshit that's done nothing but cause problems for society. Meanwhile the ones who have gotten their lives turned inside out by the drug see the serious potential of it.

 

Yes but if a calendar system is truley sacred, then it can't simply apply to their culture. It has to be a universal truth. All encompassing. Omnipresent.

 

I think you live to close to city light tbh.. you need to get aways, and look at the star in the middle of fucking nowhere, and youll see.. you will be here til your End, not the worlds.. there is nothing out there.. its all in your head silly lil ape.. you are dreaming wake up now!! IF you had been asleep for a long period of time. you wouldnt know what time it was to begin with, just be.. Plan for your future. But live in the NOW!1. Thats it. DO IT...

Are you indoors? or outside?.. I am partially outside... and once again its time to pray to Allah.. So right now currently at this very moment in minute variables There are people praying to ALLAH..
then its time to eat ( FINALLY) .. Whats all that mean?..

Dhuhr 1:06Asr 4:54Maghrib 7:58Isha 9:20heres the times, if you dont believes me..

 

Actually I did take that very seriously. Up until a certian point i was reading a lot on the subject which made me more and more skeptical. When i spoke with my mexica friends they told me all the concentration on this 2012 stuff is no bueno. They would rather have people praying for the good of the earth than theorizing, making up stories, and fear mongering about destruction. They take those kinds of actions seriously and believe strongly the thoughts we put out can manifest reality.

 

This is interesting. I have to take your word that you actually did speak with these people.

Did they explain why exactly? Did they explain why the Mayan calendar ends when it does?

 

This ^ is an example of the typical cultural universalism that our society exhibits. We feel like everything can be appropriated because we have so deemed cultural ideas "free enterprise" for us to pick and choose. How can you understand any semblance of a "universal truth" from their calendar when you cannot place the religion or it's importance in the proper cultural context? It really has little to no meaning for us at all. If we do not live in their environment, share their cosmology or ceremonies then how can you derive such sweeping statements about the meaning of their baktun change?

I discussed this with Eduardo for a bit. The baktun change has nothing to do with the end of the calendar because it is simply another measurement of time. The Mayan calendar really does not end because once a whole cycle has completed it simply starts over. Also he said there is no mention of the end of the world, just a time when they have to perform certain obligatory ceremonies and they will know because of corresponding celestial events that dictate when this time is. Once again, little meaning outside of nahuatl culture. He even told me about a mayan elder coming out and denouncing all the 2012 hullabaloo.

We both came to the mutual conclusion that this is mostly about money. People are capitalizing on cultural ideas.

 

Because of your use of the word sacred. To me, sacred means Reality. And Reality is One. So ultimately, i cannot seperate myself from the Nahuatl. One means One.

 

Is it enough for us here to simply agree that we'd like to something to happen?

Are we prepared to make something happen?

 

I agree with the above statement.

But even then, the wanting something to happen and the inevitable happening itself are one and the same. The making it happen is the happening itself.

So in other words, we're the ones with the torches in hand. We're co-creating side by side with the universe.

But the question is, for what? Why make anything happen? For what means?

This is why i feel this thread is linked with the "Psychedelic Revolution" thread.

 

It's so simple if we like!

We want to! We're not afraid.


Everyone who feels like this should get together and let it go, or hold on to it, or really whatever

depending on the weather of course! lol

 

The genetic code of a cow is sacred, but it only applies to a cow. You have an error in reasoning which allows this 2012 castle in the sky to live in your mind, but it would fall like a house of cards if you truly and honestly appraised your reasons for believing it. I'm not even going to address your first post, you should just read it out loud to yourself and pretend you are hearing it from someone else. Not much critical thinking going on there hombre

you can do better. How is this any different than any other of the ten thousand apocalyptic dates that have been predicted throughout history, many of them also based on "sacred" things. Remember our intuition is sometimes only what we want it to be. It can be wrong, as all things in the universe can be. Error is a holy hiccup.

 

Dude, I like what i wrote in the original post. I find it encapsulating and open-hearted, and not to mention a completely honest evaluation. Just because it's a bit dreamy or imaginative doesn't mean it somehow loses it legitimacy in its intention.

I'll say it again and again. The change is ALREADY happening. If i'm truley the only one who is witnessing this then i must be out of my mind. So be it then.

 

I like it too. I think of it as a call to action. Where is the "psychedelic revolution" thread China? I had a brief look for it.