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#1 dandandan01

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Posted January 26 2010 - 10:48 AM

This is a callout to all the veteran trippers out there. What is the difference between the trip experienced by these 3 different alkaloids? I'm not talking in terms of psyiological effects such as duration or side effects. Out of the 3 i've only had experience with psilocybin and i know it makes you really confused but you feel confused at how your thoughts are SO clear. And that it makes things appear to be breathing or slowly moving, and colours softly but quickly change throughout the rainbow. These are effects that i've felt and i know it's hard to accurately describe such a subjective experience but any sort of table of effects type thing would be pretty cool and would help out A LOT.:drool5:

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Posted January 26 2010 - 12:51 PM

i love mescaline

cleanest, most organized visual trip ever

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Posted January 26 2010 - 07:11 PM

LSD:

POSITIVE

  • increase in energy (stimulation)
  • increase in associative & creative thinking
  • mood lift
  • increased awareness & appreciation of music
  • increased awareness of senses (eating, drinking, smell)
  • closed and open eye visuals
  • life-changing spiritual experiences
  • therapeutic psychological reflection
  • feeling of oceanic connectedness to the universe; blurring of boundaries between self and other

NEUTRAL

  • general change in consciousness
  • pupil dilation
  • difficulty focusing
  • increased salivation and mucus production (causes coughing in some people)
  • unusual body sensations (facial flushing, chills, goosebumps, body energy)
  • unusual thoughts and speech
  • change in perception of time
  • quickly changing emotions (happiness, fear, gidiness, anxiety, anger, joy, irritation)
  • slight increase in body temperature
  • slight increase in heart rate
  • increase in yawning (without being tired)

NEGATIVE

  • anxiety
  • tension, jaw tension
  • increased perspiration
  • difficulty regulating body temperature
  • nausea
  • dizziness, confusion
  • insomnia
  • megalomania
  • over-awareness & over-sensitization to music and noise
  • paranoia, fear, and panic
  • unwanted and overwhelming feelings
  • unwanted life-changing spiritual experiences
  • flashbacks




Mushrooms:

POSITIVE

  • mood lift, euphoria
  • giggling, laughter, giddiness
  • creative, philosophical or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily
  • boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny
  • sensation of insight
  • life-changing spiritual experience
  • intense feelings of wonder
  • paradoxical feeling of a normalcy and deep alteration of psyche
  • may interrupt cluster sequences in those suffering from cluster headaches [ Cluster Headache Treatment ]

NEUTRAL

  • feeling more emotionally sensitive
  • general change in consciousness (as with many psychoactives)
  • time perception alteration [ Wittmann 2006 ]
  • time seems to pass more slowly (minutes seem to take hours)
  • sensitivity to light; lights seem brighter
  • starring and rainbow patterns around pinpoint lights
  • increased detection of motion in peripheral vision
  • closed-eye visuals (common at medium or stronger dose)
  • sleepiness, lethargy
  • pupil dilation
  • sensation of energy or buzzing in the nevous system/peripheral limbs
  • memories come to life

NEGATIVE

  • intense feelings of fear
  • headache, usually as effects wear off, sometimes beginning the next day, lasting for up to 24 hours
  • nausea, gas, gastrointestinal discomfort, especially when mushrooms are eaten raw and/or dry
  • mild to severe anxiety
  • dizziness, confusion
  • lightheadedness or fainting (in cases of lowered blood pressure)
  • can precipitate or exacerbate latent or existing mental disorders
  • working memory disruption (reduced ability to do tasks requiring current remembering and attention) [ Wittmann 2006 ]



Cactus:

POSITIVE

  • feelings of insight
  • brightening of colors
  • closed and open eye visuals
  • euphoria1
  • laughter
  • increase in energy (stimulation)
  • enhanced tactile sensation
  • happy, dreamy feelings1
  • feelings of hope or rejuvination1
  • increased access to spiritual ideation; deep esoteric experiences1

NEUTRAL

  • general change in consciousness (as with most psychoactives)
  • loss of appetite
  • change in body temperature regulation
  • unusual thoughts and speech
  • unusual focus on either small details or large concepts; changes in meaning or significance of experiences1
  • mild to extreme distractability1
  • changes in perception of time1
  • changes in perception of "reality"
  • changes in self control1
  • unusual body sensations (facial flushing, chills, goosebumps, body energy)
  • ego softening
  • pupil dilation1
  • body tremors1
  • urge to urinate1 (in early stages of experience)
  • restlessness

NEGATIVE

  • (likelihood of negative side effects increases with higher doses)
  • nausea and/or vomiting
  • chest and neck pain1 (in early stages of experience)
  • shortness of breath1
  • uncomfortable changes in body temperature (sweating/chills)
  • confusion, difficulty concentrating, problems with activities requiring linear focus
  • difficulty communicating1
  • inhibition of sex drive
  • insomnia
  • unpleasant or frightening visions
  • unwanted and overwhelming feelings, depression, anxiety
  • paranoia, fear, and panic


from erowid. they are all very different, yet like all psychs, quite similar. though ive never done cacti/mescaline. But these are the three ambassadors from the three biggest families of drugs; the tryptamines, phenethylamines, and ergolines.

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Posted January 26 2010 - 07:57 PM

I can't speak for mescaline though I hear it's the most intense in terms of the psychedelic effects.

As for acid, acid feels much cleaner then shrooms. Your body feels light, the open eye visuals are much more vivid and numerous, yet at the same time clear cut. Your thought processes are also much more linear and functional, everything from reading/typing to conversating in real life to other people is easier.
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Posted January 26 2010 - 08:06 PM

That mescaline description sounds like DOx... sweet!

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Posted January 26 2010 - 08:34 PM

ACID is the best...

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Posted January 26 2010 - 08:37 PM

ACID is the best...



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Posted January 26 2010 - 09:27 PM

Ive never really understood what people mean when they say one psychedelic is more intense than another? Isn't it all about dosage? And each psych can be as intense or as tame as one wants?

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Posted January 26 2010 - 10:28 PM

It's true that it's all related to dosage, it's just taken as a comparison of ("standard dose of Drug A" with "standard dose of Drug B". So like, 1-2 hits of acid = 2-4g mushrooms? i believe the vast majority of acid users have never taken more than 2 or 3 hits.

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Posted January 26 2010 - 10:41 PM

LSD - cerebral
mushrooms - emotional
peyote - sensational

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Posted January 27 2010 - 07:27 AM

lsd - you trip
mushrooms - you trip
mescaline - you trip

there

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Posted January 27 2010 - 07:35 AM

lsd - you trip
mushrooms - you trip
mescaline - you trip

there

What happened to "mescaline, cleanest most visually organized trip ever?"

#13 L.ifes S.ubliminal D.ream

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Posted January 27 2010 - 11:50 AM

well its is

im just not trying to categorize the 3 drugs into different categories, they are all hallucinogens

i see the same visuals and patterns on all three

your brain trips the same way each time

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Posted January 27 2010 - 06:18 PM

I haven't tried mescaline, but,


True, LSD is a "cleaner" trip, in that what you feel is mostly in your head and you don't get physically sick and gassy like you do on shrooms.

But to me an LSD trip is almost like a very accurate "trip simulator". It's a synthetically produced molecule that reacts to certain brain receptors and opens those chemical-doors of your mind. To me the trip feels intellectual, like applying a super-charger, or the much-referenced magnifying glass to my brain.

Shrooms feel like a very natural experience. They ARE a very natural experience. The fungus brings me in contact to this very, very ancient part of myself. A part much, much older than my physical body. They bring me into harmony with all life, with the oneness of the universe.

In a nutshell:

LSD understands by Seeing.

Shrooms understand by Being.
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Posted January 27 2010 - 08:32 PM

Im really curious is to how a large dose of mescaline is. I ordered some san pedro to give it a try.

Last I remember of mecaline, it was sort of inbetween mushrooms and acid, really really clear visuals. It was easy to stay on track, there seemed to be a guide to your thoughts. Everything just looked so amazing though, when you focused on an object, it would be like extremely sharp super clear ultra vision.

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Posted January 27 2010 - 09:13 PM

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Posted January 27 2010 - 09:14 PM

yea the mescaline felt a lot easier to trip on, i had the worst experience possible on it but it was still amazing. no bad vibes at all. i miss it, i wanna go out west and find some

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Posted January 27 2010 - 09:47 PM

I think/know it's your imagination and not true but... can someone explain to me

Does your eyesight get better, or more detailed or something under the influence of LSD, or is your brain simply adding things and magnifying details that weren't necessarily there?

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Posted January 27 2010 - 11:49 PM

In a nutshell:

LSD understands by Seeing.

Shrooms understand by Being.


Awesome explanation.

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Posted January 28 2010 - 06:29 AM

I think/know it's your imagination and not true but... can someone explain to me

Does your eyesight get better, or more detailed or something under the influence of LSD, or is your brain simply adding things and magnifying details that weren't necessarily there?


Your eyes take whats coming in, but your brain interprets the message. When you trip your brain starts interpreting it differently, being interrupted by the shrooms, your brain starts mixing functions together. What your seeing and what your thinking get mixed together, so you are literally seeing whats on your mind.

I don't know why, but when tripping, things look extremely clear, like you just put a set of new glasses on. Possibly from how the clarity of the brain results in the clarity of the visuals, or just higher perceptions are woken up. Sometimes I feel as I am not staring through my normal eyes, but through some invisible esp eyes. It is hard to say.

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Posted January 28 2010 - 07:29 PM

Your eyes take whats coming in, but your brain interprets the message. When you trip your brain starts interpreting it differently, being interrupted by the shrooms, your brain starts mixing functions together. What your seeing and what your thinking get mixed together, so you are literally seeing whats on your mind.

I don't know why, but when tripping, things look extremely clear, like you just put a set of new glasses on. Possibly from how the clarity of the brain results in the clarity of the visuals, or just higher perceptions are woken up. Sometimes I feel as I am not staring through my normal eyes, but through some invisible esp eyes. It is hard to say.


i know exactly what you mean. for me though my trips are different for both shrooms and acid. they are very different. but the differences are hard to explain because they cant be described. i personally always have good shroom trips
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Posted January 28 2010 - 08:02 PM

I haven't done mescaline yet but I find that acid and shrooms are very similar yet different at the same time. LSD tends to make me slightly 'happier' and more energetic than mushrooms. While both obviously give me the energy to walk around in nature or do things for the whole duration of the trip I find that I have more of an adventuring spirit on acid, most likely due to the longer duration. Shrooms definitely have more of a 'mind fuck' aspect to them and can be slightly darker and introspective. While both drugs are obviously introspective shrooms are definitely more so and I think "LSD understands by Seeing, Shrooms understand by Being," explains it the best. Also with respect to the hallucinations of both drugs I find that acid has more well defined and bright polygon shapes while shrooms produces more circular and organic shapes. I also have several reoccurring hallucinations that happen to me on both chemicals but they are always slightly different. Because of the trip length differences I find that acid is more spread out and chill while peaking on mushrooms is more condensed and intense in many ways, hence the 'mind fuck.'
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Posted January 31 2010 - 09:16 PM

Mescaline- Clean, smooth, airy. Feels like light is pouring out of you. By far the most spiritually inclined substance of these three (and I would say yet found). Sensory stimuli wonderful, but true worth lies in profound spiritual experiences/being. Best experienced alone in nature.

LSD- Fast, hilarious, dynamic (thoughts, experiences, etc. are all over the place). Seems to change gears quite quickly. I would say the least spiritual of the three, though still fun. Amazement from visual and auditory stimuli the strongest with LSD, and subsequently I feel it's the best for creating/observing art. Strongest synesthia of all three.

Mushrooms- Goofy, liquidy, breathing. Everything seems to come to life with mushrooms (this is also true of LSD, though to a lesser extent). Sensory inputs seems to all have a liquid-like quality. Pretty spiritual, but also conducive to just having fun. Has the most distinct "stages" and plateaus of the three. Brings out a very child-like state in many people.

All three are like different flavors of chocolate- different but still pretty similar. Intensity with all three is very largely dependent on dose. I don't think it's accurate to call one more inherently intense than another.

If I had to personify them:
Mescaline- Wise sage/wizard/shaman
LSD- Brilliant Artist/Scientist, but slightly crazy
Shrooms- A playful, but enlightened being.

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Posted January 31 2010 - 09:22 PM

Mescaline- Clean, smooth, airy. Feels like light is pouring out of you. By far the most spiritually inclined substance of these three (and I would say yet found). Sensory stimuli wonderful, but true worth lies in profound spiritual experiences/being. Best experienced alone in nature.

LSD- Fast, hilarious, dynamic (thoughts, experiences, etc. are all over the place). Seems to change gears quite quickly. I would say the least spiritual of the three, though still fun. Amazement from visual and auditory stimuli the strongest with LSD, and subsequently I feel it's the best for creating/observing art. Strongest synesthia of all three.

Mushrooms- Goofy, liquidy, breathing. Everything seems to come to life with mushrooms (this is also true of LSD, though to a lesser extent). Sensory inputs seems to all have a liquid-like quality. Pretty spiritual, but also conducive to just having fun. Has the most distinct "stages" and plateaus of the three. Brings out a very child-like state in many people.

All three are like different flavors of chocolate- different but still pretty similar. Intensity with all three is very largely dependent on dose. I don't think it's accurate to call one more inherently intense than another.

If I had to personify them:
Mescaline- Wise sage/wizard/shaman
LSD- Brilliant Artist/Scientist, but slightly crazy
Shrooms- A playful, but enlightened being.



That sounds about right
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Posted February 01 2010 - 06:22 AM

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Posted February 01 2010 - 08:14 AM

Mescaline- Clean, smooth, airy. Feels like light is pouring out of you. By far the most spiritually inclined substance of these three (and I would say yet found). Sensory stimuli wonderful, but true worth lies in profound spiritual experiences/being. Best experienced alone in nature.

LSD- Fast, hilarious, dynamic (thoughts, experiences, etc. are all over the place). Seems to change gears quite quickly. I would say the least spiritual of the three, though still fun. Amazement from visual and auditory stimuli the strongest with LSD, and subsequently I feel it's the best for creating/observing art. Strongest synesthia of all three.

Mushrooms- Goofy, liquidy, breathing. Everything seems to come to life with mushrooms (this is also true of LSD, though to a lesser extent). Sensory inputs seems to all have a liquid-like quality. Pretty spiritual, but also conducive to just having fun. Has the most distinct "stages" and plateaus of the three. Brings out a very child-like state in many people.

All three are like different flavors of chocolate- different but still pretty similar. Intensity with all three is very largely dependent on dose. I don't think it's accurate to call one more inherently intense than another.

If I had to personify them:
Mescaline- Wise sage/wizard/shaman
LSD- Brilliant Artist/Scientist, but slightly crazy
Shrooms- A playful, but enlightened being.


That's a pretty cool explanation, right about what i was looking for :)

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Posted February 05 2010 - 08:12 AM

Took a 18 inchs worth of san pedro cactus and made it into a cactus drink the other night. What a strange trip mescaline is, I've done it 3 times where it actually worked now, another 3 where it did nothing. This trip was similar to my first trip on it, very jumpy and confusing. The second trip on mescaline was very clear and easy to follow.

So this a strange substance, hard to know where your going with it because of the way you have to prepare it. Anywho, the visuals were very bright and cartoonish looking sometimes, but they felt realer, it felt like it was a part of my sober mind, and less a trip. The mind set switched a lot like acid. Sort an orchestra of thoughts, but much more jumpy. It was defiantly an ADD kind of trip, I could not stay focused. It switched back and forth between tripping really hard, to kind of tripping, to "am i tripping?".

Even though it switched back and forth, I noticed that it made it easy to find the self, because you notice the different mind sets, but you also realize, the unchanging self behind it.

I think I needed a little larger dose, it was almost to the peak, and I felt like I just wasn't gonna make it to where I wanted to go. So I broke the idea of an all mescaline trip and ate some shrooms. They did not really have a good synthesis with the mescaline though. The shrooms sort of took over, I could tell between the two for awhile, but then it just turned to mud. Then I started feeling my stomach turn to shit, so I smoked some green. That just muddied the trip twice as bad.

Basically nothing was really happening, so I just layed there for the rest of the night being blissed out. Going in and out of different states of consciousness. I think next time 24 inchs of cactus will be used. I like the realness to the trip though, I think it could help with the integration process. Good stuff!

On another note, I finally, after months of waiting, been blessed by the acid gods! Three hits of lushish lucy! Can't wait for the excitement!

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Posted February 05 2010 - 05:27 PM

It switched back and forth between tripping really hard, to kind of tripping, to "am i tripping?".


That's a good point that I forgot to mention. Mescaline/Cactus comes in tides that are much, much more distinct than either shrooms or lsd. I've found this to especially be the case towards the end of very strong trips. One minute you can think you're just about down, and the next minute it's high tide again, almost to the point you were 5 hours ago. This can be frustrating, especially after 12+ hours when sometimes you're just ready to be done and go to sleep.

Lastly, shrooms are a nighttime thing, while mescaline is a daytime thing. lsd is suited to either.

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Posted February 06 2010 - 07:12 AM

Yea mescaline in the daytime was a lot different, better! Lsd is night time thing for me. Shrooms can be both, but mostly night time. Night time there is more silence and aloneness for the trips.