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#31 bree53

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Posted February 12 2010 - 10:42 AM

Mmmm You want to be Natural Eat Natural. You want to feel ALIVE it live food. People seem to want the easy way out and have no self awareness let alone self discipline.

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Posted February 16 2010 - 11:34 AM

Sure, it's not the ONLY way to survive, but I would think someone who can't even concentrate hard enough to earn a high school degree is going to have considerable difficulty carving out an entirely new niche from scratch... Of course there are exceptions, they are just that- exceptions- not the rule. We can't rely on these few cases as a means to give kids the tools to function in the present society so they have every chance to provide for themselves, and someday a family, if they want it. You can't just see a kid who can't concentrate and shrug and say "that one marches to the beat of a different drum" and kick him out of school.

I used to think society was all wrong and backwards and I was going to CHANGE THE WORLD and we were all going to wear rainbow toe socks to work with funky hats if we wanted to... and then I realized it was more important to me to work in a scientific field than to wear rainbow toes socks and funky hats. As I grew older and experienced more, my priorities changed, and that was the choice I made, because science made me more happy than rainbow toes socks and funky hats, so now I have to play ball. Rainbow toe socks and funky hats will have to wait until the weekend. :)


i'm not talking about dressing differently. You can't make money or feed your family by wearing toe socks, i'm aware of that. also i'm certainly not talking about taking children out of school. I think a lot of people who are diagnosed with disorders like adhd, bipolar, etc generally possess a lot of creative energy that has absolutely no outlet in most public school systems. Kids who are different should be encouraged to be different from an early age, not discouraged. They should be encouraged to find some kind of creative outlet and pursue that into adulthood. I have friends that seem very strange to other people, but they're creative and they dont make money from regular jobs. they make money doing what they love, and they don't wear rainbow toe socks while doing it.

basically, i'm saying that its no wonder more and more kids are being diagnosed with adhd because art and music and anything creative is being taken out of school, and out of adulthood for that matter (to the point where if I suggest making money any other way than "playing ball" with society, people act like its an idiotic idea). Its no wonder kids are bored in school and can't pay attention. The problem stems from the home too. Most americans are overworked and don't take any time out to encourage any sense of creativity and individuality in children. Instead of playing make believe with their kids or encouraging their kids to play outside, parents stick their children in front of the tv with a soda in one hand and a high-in-trans-fat pizza in the other.

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Posted February 16 2010 - 11:06 PM

I'd just like to contribute something. My Dad's a doctor (GP) and has very often told me how all parents that see him about their "ADHD" child appear to be negligent parents who are either A) not spending enough time with their children and sending them to day care, for example, or B) not disciplining their child properly - a classic example is where the child is opening and closing shelves and fidgeting with things in my Dad's office or is wingeing constantly and the parent will generally ignore this behaviour, until after a few good minutes - sometimes 15 minutes or so - when they'll scream "No!" to the child. This process will be repeated in the same consultation over and over. How is the kid supposed to know what behaviour is good and what is bad if they're not being disciplined effectively?
The way you bring up your child has a major impact on everything in their future life no doubt, however the two examples above are classic "ADHD" examples from a very experienced doctor.

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Posted February 17 2010 - 06:10 AM

Instead of playing make believe with their kids or encouraging their kids to play outside, parents stick their children in front of the tv with a soda in one hand and a high-in-trans-fat pizza in the other.


:iagree:As we move farther away from our hunter/ gatherer roots and become more sedentary we fail to satisfy our primal need for physical exertion. When I was a child there was not such a thing as ADHD diagnosed. Of course most of the kids I knew were not allowed to sit in the house in front of the "boob tube".We were outside ALL day playing ball, building forts or playing in the snow. This was our mothers alone time and you came home for lunch and then were sent (willingly) back outside. In my work helping people with their dogs' behavior problems, most are solved with the proper amount and type of exercise.
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Posted February 17 2010 - 04:32 PM

Of course ADHD exists.

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Posted February 17 2010 - 04:36 PM

OP, fuck you asswipe. I believe there is a such thing because I HAVE IT. Fuck, before my adderall I was a fuckin mess man.

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Posted February 17 2010 - 06:17 PM

Until you work with children from all walks of life, then don't say ADHD doesn't exist. I've seen both sides of the fence-kids who are over medicated and kids who are undermedicated. Medication works wonders for some people and harms others. I've seen kids who roll on the floor, lick the floor, randomly punch others, and say irrational things when they are off their meds. I've seen the same kids perform advanced for their age when they are on their meds. The kids I'm speaking of have been properly diagnosed with ADHD.

I do think psychologists do over diagnose ADHD, but trust me, it does exist!
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Posted March 11 2010 - 10:47 AM

my little brother has ADHD. no, my mother didn't have him drugged, none of us would have stood for it. instead, she removed food additives and certain foods he had negative reactions to, put him in a couple sports that require huge amounts of energy and focus AND, most successfully, biofeedback therapy.

the change in him was immense. he was destructive, out of control and unable to rest or focus or understand anything. and this is with the exact same upbringing and diet that suited the rest of us just fine. however it comes about, discounting it entirely because the medical treatments verge on barbaric isn't really a good either.

after all, i'm sure at one point in time the treatment was ECT, trepanation or something equally as awful. it's there, it's just not quite what people want to think it is.

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Posted November 07 2010 - 02:23 PM

ADHD and ADD are real, and are a real issue, but I have a feeling most of the kids these days that are being diagnosed have a totally different problem-lazyness. Especially with high school students, it is becoming more common for teens to be diagnosed due to their low test scores, and while some might genuinely have a learning disability, for others it might just be that they don't study. AT ALL. I work with a high school senior that has been diagnosed with ADHD and he is the laziest son of a bitch I have ever known, both in school and work. He constantly used his "situation" as an excuse for why he works slower and less consistently than his coworkers. It is sad, but I have little sympathy for anyone that hides behind a disorder that IS REAL, although they THEMSELVES do not have it.

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Posted March 28 2011 - 06:17 PM

It can be frustrating dealing with people that use illnesses or diagnoses as excuses to not try or who seem to.

In our case, it was the opposite. My girl always tried so hard and rarely gave up. When she did give up she always came back and tried again when she could. Giving in to trying the drugs at 18 was a really great thing though we had fought against it for so long.

She's been able to function far better. She is excelling even better in her school work, staying in college, loving it, the academic scholarship she won and the honors program.

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Posted March 31 2011 - 09:31 AM

ADD and ADHD are "real" but it is a known fact that it is something curable. Giving kids prescription meds is just masking the real issue and never fixing it. With kids with ADD and ADHD stop letting them eat all that sugar food and artificial flavoring for a few weeks and see how they act.
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Posted March 31 2011 - 12:46 PM

ADD and ADHD are "real" but it is a known fact that it is something curable. Giving kids prescription meds is just masking the real issue and never fixing it. With kids with ADD and ADHD stop letting them eat all that sugar food and artificial flavoring for a few weeks and see how they act.


absolutely agree....the meds are nothing more than a band aid on a bullet wound.....as Bree53 states, fix the diet first. Other things can include physical excercise, ie go for a walk, a hike, some kind of athletic activity..biking, running, etc.....and turn off the damn TV/GameBoy/Xbox/Guitar hero....etc.....

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Posted March 31 2011 - 01:06 PM

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Posted March 31 2011 - 03:14 PM

Good thing there weren't pharma drugs when I went to school. My second grade teacher threw a blanket over my head so I wouldn't be a distraction, so I'm sure I would have been dosed up. I too, believe that food coloring,sugar and other bad dietary habits contribute very much to these conditions. Other than being born with faulty wiring,diet,exercise and ATTENTION paid to a child by parents, would most likely help more than any drug a for-profit company makes..

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Posted April 04 2011 - 04:28 PM

every mental disorder is a lie
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Posted April 29 2011 - 05:06 PM

Every lie is a mental disorder.

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Posted May 08 2011 - 10:49 AM

If you love your children, don't give them anything a psychiatrist prescribes - ever.


I nominate you for the worst advice ever posted on the forum award.

I was talking to her about this recently - telepathically, since she blocked me on facebook last year. :D

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Posted May 08 2011 - 11:01 AM

every mental disorder is a lie


I'm very glad that there are a great number of scientists who disagree with you. It is thanks to them that we are finally coming out of the dark ages when it comes to psychology, and those affected by mental illness are beginning to be understood as individuals with a health problem rather than evil sinners, demons or something to mock and needlessly discriminate against.

I have a congential heart murmur from a rather common fault in my heart called mitral valve prolapse. It doesn't impact hugely on my life, it just means I get out of breath more easily than those without this issue sometimes. Having a heart defect does not make me any less courageous or loving, it is just an organ which is not entirely in an ideal state. Similarly, there are disorders of the brain which do not necessarily make someone a "bad" person. Naturally, as the brain is such a complex organ, the problems are far more difficult to understand, and because the issue has been clouded by misguided religious ethics and superstitions in the past, psychological sciences are in their infancy. We do know, however, that mental illness is most definitely not "a lie". That's a great starting point.

I was talking to her about this recently - telepathically, since she blocked me on facebook last year. :D

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Posted May 08 2011 - 11:08 AM

Every lie is a mental disorder.

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And for the sake of consistency I'll point out that this jokey response is also incorrect, although I'm sure the author was aware of that :p

I was talking to her about this recently - telepathically, since she blocked me on facebook last year. :D

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Posted May 11 2011 - 08:48 PM

My personally experience with a beloved sibling, for the original topic, is such that he couldn't properly experience and retain information without special regard and treatment. His treatment was not drugs. It was biofeedback, an acceptance of his own sort or brilliance, and heavy dietary changes. I don't think ADHD is entirely made up, though it may be overly compromised by the pharmaceutical money machine.

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Posted May 15 2011 - 07:37 PM

ADD and ADHD are "real" but it is a known fact that it is something curable.


Funny, in all my hours of searching and reading on Google Scholar I never found any suggestion of there being a cure for this neurological condition.

I'd love to see the peer-reviewed papers that back up your claim. :2thumbsup:

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Posted May 25 2011 - 05:51 PM

OP, come up out of the rabbit hole for a minute, let's talk. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but then there is just plain ignorance. I hate big pharma with a passion, but every now and then, they actually help people.

I grew up with great parents, a stable, loving family, a good education, a good diet, etc. There was still something wrong. I couldn't function like other people. I was frustrated, depressed, thought about suicide; I lived that way for 37 years. I tried everything I knew to do. Diet, therapy, alternative therapies... Nothing worked. My sister kept insisting that I had ADD (I'm not hyperactive) and to go see someone about it. Long story short, Adderall has changed my life. I don't particularly like taking it, but I don't like taking my vitamins either. I sure like what they do for me though.

It is far too complicated a subject to be addressed in one post, but until you have walked in my shoes or researched it for as many years as I have, your dismissal of it as being a real condition is damned insulting.

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Posted May 25 2011 - 06:55 PM

Yeah, most kids don't have serious ADHD requiring medication. and yeah, we might all be some level of ADHD, just like we're all some level of schizophrenic and some level of autistic.

And just like some people being SERIOUSLY autistic or schizophrenic and needing attention, some people are seriously ADHD and need special attention. I have met at least one of these people, she was simply unfunctioning without amphetamines, and on them she was beyond what most would consider seriously ADHD. But they allowed her to function and have a reasonably normal life, not to mention count to 3 without getting sidetracked.

Of course, kids being kids can be frustrating to people underpaid to watch large unruly groups of kids. This has made a market for selling cocaine analogs for children, and the pharma companies love it. But that doesn't mean that real ADHD doesn't exist.

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Posted July 12 2011 - 01:55 AM

Please provide a precising definition for your key term.

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Posted July 14 2011 - 12:48 PM

Funny, in all my hours of searching and reading on Google Scholar I never found any suggestion of there being a cure for this neurological condition.

I'd love to see the peer-reviewed papers that back up your claim. :2thumbsup:


At what level is ADHD real and not real? how can you chemically determine what it really is? You can't. This is my point is that ADHD a lot of the times (not every case becasue everyone is different) is a bad reaction to high fructose corn syrup and if you cut out hfcs out of kids' diets you will usually see a tremendous change in their ADHD symptoms.
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Posted July 14 2011 - 12:52 PM

Half the world population is diagnosed with adhd or add

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Posted July 14 2011 - 03:02 PM

At what level is ADHD real and not real? how can you chemically determine what it really is? You can't.


There isn't, as far as I'm aware, a definitive chemical test that can say whether someone is ADHD or not, until after they die (whereupon the autopsy can reveal certain things). However, there is simply no debate in medicine as to whether or not ADHD exists - that debate ended long ago when the consensus was firmly that yes, it does; it is a neurological condition relating to the neurotransmitters dopamine and norepinephrine, and it is not yet fully understood.

There are many parallels with schizophrenia in that this also does not have a definitive chemical / blood test. The only way schizophrenia is diagnosed is through observation of the behaviour of the patient. It is also thought to be over and often mis-diagnosed, but does this mean that I can stroll into my local mental hospital, point at all the supposed schizophrenics hallucinating and hearing voices and proclaim "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SCHIZOPHRENIA BECAUSE THERE IS NO BLOOD TEST THAT CAN CONFIRM IF SOMEONE HAS IT OR NOT"?

No. Of course not. The only people still having this debate are ones who have, in the main, never picked up a scientific paper or those who subscribe to Conspiracy Theories Monthly.

You're probably right that many kids' hyperactivity is caused by something else and they may indeed benefit from dietary adjustment as you suggest. But please do not write-off the many people who genuinely suffer from this neurological condition.

*Edit: this post isn't purely in aimed at bree53 who does acknowledge that not all cases of ADHD are diet related


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Posted January 24 2012 - 11:07 PM

dude seriously ADHD is pure bullshit.

I would say it most likely is!!!!!!

ADHD just means that someone CANT CONCENTRATE on something right??

WELL,IF IT IS SOMETHING THEY LIKE AND ARE INTERESTED IN,THEY WILL HAVE NO PROBLEMS EVEN WITH "ADHD" so maybe it isnt real,good thread!!


ADHD could be the natural behaviour of all of us!

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Posted January 25 2012 - 01:18 PM

I would say it most likely is!!!!!!

ADHD just means that someone CANT CONCENTRATE on something right??

WELL,IF IT IS SOMETHING THEY LIKE AND ARE INTERESTED IN,THEY WILL HAVE NO PROBLEMS EVEN WITH "ADHD" so maybe it isnt real,good thread!!


ADHD could be the natural behaviour of all of us!


No, it's more than not being able to concentrate. Don't assume something isn't real just because you don't understand it. There is actually a list of standard criteria a person has to meet to be diagnosed, and although they seem vague and applicable to any kid, the jist of it is that if these traits are causing you to lose your ability to function in life, it crosses the line and becomes a disorder.

Also, there may not be blood tests, but they have done PET scans of the brain and can identify metabolic patterns consistent with ADD. Obviously, most kids are diagnosed without having their brains scanned, and a lot of schools are very insistent that kids get on drugs, so yes it is horribly over-diagnosed, and I think that all non-pharmacological solutions should be exhausted before a child is prescribed drugs, BUT that doesn't mean the disorder isn't real. Believe it or not, a lot of kids and families have been helped by this medication, so don't throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water.
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Posted January 25 2012 - 02:27 PM

Just because its possibly over-diagnosed does not mean it does not exist. If it did not exist it would not be in the DSM. Also who are you to tell anyone their child is just misbehaving if their child actually does have psychological problems....I suppose you think they could just punish it out of them. But the reality is punishing a child for something that's not fully in their control is usually harmful. Using medication for the wrong reasons can also be harmful, but it is true the medications do help some people function better.

But just so its clear where I stand I think misbehaving=child knowingly does something wrong for whatever reason it may be. Misbehaving does not= child with psychological disorder reacts to their symptoms.