kratom and kava kava
Posted October 19 2009 - 08:15 AM
and as for kratom i dont know how to take this stuff... i ordered a sample pack which comes with a gram of 8:1 extract resin, a gram of "full-spectrum powdered extract" and theres also 3 grams of 15x powdered extract but the website recommends .5-1g for both samples. so i dont know what like a gram would do of any of them, wouldnt it be stronger with the 15x or something? also how do i prepare it? im assuming maybe tea? idk any help would be appeciated.
Posted November 03 2009 - 07:19 AM
kratom i've never had so i dunno what to tell you about that.
/have you already tried? if so how did you like it?
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Posted November 08 2009 - 12:12 AM
As for kava, I would put in as much powder as you can get to dissolve. Kava is one of my favorite natural highs, but again it's real best with dried root that you then powder and prepare. Capsules are complete shit and the commercial drinks usually aren't much better.
Posted November 08 2009 - 02:21 AM
The best way to do kratom is just buckle down and swallow the hideous powder. It causes a few more stomach problems, but it's more intense and it lasts longer. I'd take at least a gram, no matter what strength. Kratom is really best with simply the dried leaf, it always seems stronger that way.
Lemons/Limes are your best friend to take away the after taste, just take a slice and suck on it.
I've only done it once (a gram of 10x) but it was definitely nice.
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Posted November 09 2009 - 01:45 PM
The taste of the extracts is notably more disgusting than the straight leaf/powder. When I get Maeng Da or Red Vein I just eat the dose with a spoon and wash it down with some Cocoa-Mint tea, which takes care of the flavor.
Keep in mind that Kratom acts on the opioid receptors, which means it carries the risk of addiction as with an opiate, and there's a cross tolerance. If you're opiate naive, or a user who's kept tolerance low, then you won't need that much. Even a gram of the 15x extract might be too much. I don't know what the LD-50 on kratom alkaloids are, but generally if you take too much you will puke it back up. Still be safe though, start with a small amount, remember that you can always add, but never subtract.
edited to add: Also, one thing to remember for the first time kratom user. When the dose kicks in you'll notice a numbing of your lips and maybe even your tongue. That's normal, so don't think you're poisoned or something.
Edited by Softball, November 09 2009 - 01:49 PM.
forgot some info
Posted November 25 2009 - 08:30 PM
kava capsules are BS. don't bother mixing it with water, but with milk. it tastes a lot better and the kavalactones are lipid-soluble, but not the least bit soluble in water.
Posted November 25 2009 - 08:44 PM
Posted November 25 2009 - 08:56 PM
Kratom is also disgusting tasting but it does work with Marijuana well. I forget the dose i took but i was at absolute ease and peace combining it with marijuana and didn't want to move at all. Kratom is interesting to because the first 15-30 minutes of it it feels like a stimulant. It's far better than vicodin not as euphoric as oxycontin though.
Posted December 24 2009 - 09:26 PM
Posted December 25 2009 - 12:13 AM
Like i said with weed Kratom is amazing, i have not smoked weed with oxycontin and I have never done heroin but Kratom and weed mix is better than vicodin and weed in my opinion.
If your don't use kratom in conjuction with weed it's actually a bit different with a stimulant like onset that is pretty interesting but i don't feel the sedation, opiate like effects are quite as strong this way.
Posted December 25 2009 - 12:41 AM