Morning After Pill Vs. Abortion

Discussion in 'Birth Control' started by New2Sex, Sep 8, 2009.

  1. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    You should know that most people raised with or having the Christian or Catholic faith, view the morning after pill as = to abortion, BECAUSE a fertilized egg can pass through the womb without implanting in the uterus/womb.

    If anything fertilized passes through, to them it's abortion. And the morning after pill does not guarrantee your egg did not get fertilized.
     
  2. The Chan

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    Two points to mention;
    1. to a very large percentage of the worlds population abortion is considered a form of birth control and probably the most commonly used form of birth control.
    2. Abortion historically has a much greater incidence of morbidity and mortality than plan B.
     
  3. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    I don't know about the second assertion in your #1 about abortion being the most common form of birth control...that's an unfounded claim until I see evidence.

    More recent polls show that condom and pill use is up among youth, and the teen pregnancy rate has fallen in the last decade.
     
  4. The Chan

    The Chan Member

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    Ever lived in China ?
     
  5. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    Ah ok, if your post was talking in the context of the entire planet, and throughout all history then I agree.

    I misunderstood the context of your post, I was talking strictly within the USA my bad.
     
  6. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Super Moderator

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    I am wiling to posit that abortion, compared to abortifacients, has a higher mortality rate because of perforations and infection, things that happen in unskilled or "back alley" situations far more than legal hospital or clinical settings.
    In 2010, the last year I can find numbers for, the World Health organization reported that 880 US women died in childbirth or from complications.
    Two years earlier ( last year reported), 12 women died as a result of abortion, either as early medical (plan B) or surgical, according to the CDC. That is legal providers only.
    Numbers for women who used nonlicenced providers or attempted at home are unknown.

    ETA:
    Whoops. I said Plan b, but I meant RU486.
    Plan B is emergency contraceptive. RU486 is a chemical abortifacient used once pregnancy has been established.
     
  7. Allisuunshine

    Allisuunshine Member

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    I think an abortion is such a wrong thing. Use protection then that wouldnt be a problem at all.
     
  8. *MAMA*

    *MAMA* Perfectly Imperfect

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    Every single birth control method has a rate of failure.
     
  9. *MAMA*

    *MAMA* Perfectly Imperfect

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    This is the same with the birth control pill. It doesn't always stop you from releasing an egg, it mostly prevents your uterus from allowing the zygote to implant. So, if you consider point of conception to be the start of life, then by that definition, when your body still releases an egg, and that egg gets fertilized, then the bcp would also be "abortion."
     
  10. Abra Cadaver

    Abra Cadaver Member

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    Actually the abstinence method works 100%

    :p
     
  11. *MAMA*

    *MAMA* Perfectly Imperfect

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    Indeed, but I don't know of anyone who willingly practices that long term. :p
     
  12. Abra Cadaver

    Abra Cadaver Member

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    Thats true.

    Few things I can't live without in this world and one of them is HOT WILD SEX!

    :D
     
  13. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    Actually I was told by both my doctor and health class teachers that the pill actually does stop ovulation, meaning no egg is released at all.

    Plan B, by design is taken on an. "Oopsie" moment meaning ovulation and fertilization might have (but not always) occurred.

    That is the distinct difference between the two. I was also told that ladies should NOT rely on plan B like they would birth control pill or other regular hormonal methods of birth control.

    The plan B pill is a shock of hormones to the system...if it is done regularly the body builds a resistance to it much like a long time drug user needing higher and higher concentrations to reach the same high.
     
  14. Tatterdemalion

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    ^Strange. I have endometriosis so have been on the pill since early in my teens and the doctor has told me that some months you will ovulate when on the pill - and I can vouch for this as ovulation is excruciatingly painful for me. Some months I will go without it, but some months I will definitely ovulate and have all the pain that goes with it. Have been to a hoard of Gynaecologists and Reproductive Specialists and have been told the same by all of them (as I've been looking for a way to be sure that I wont ovulate AT ALL simply because of the pain, not really for birth control reasons)
     
  15. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    Huh well I won't doubt your personal experience.

    I think it's fair to say in theory the pill is supposed to stop ovulation but it appears that in practice this doesn't happen in all women.


    And I guess this makes sense given that some have become pregnant while on birth control pill meaning ovulation took place.



    Question: if you get pregnant while on the pill does that raise medical complications for the baby, if say you wanted to keep it? Does the hormone fluctuations disturb natural fetal development ?
     
  16. *MAMA*

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    As the next member stated, most women do I'm fact still ovulate while on the pill. Luckily, the pill also changes the viscosity of the uterine lining making it nearly impossible for a fertilized egg to implant.
     
  17. *MAMA*

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    There are increased risk of deformities ( although very rare) and miscarriage, but in majority of cases, no harm is done to the fetus.
     
  18. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    Okay thanks.

    Well we've come full circle. This minute chance that anything fertilized (egg and sperm) can pass through a woman due to the pill explains why Catholics, Christians, and many other faith doctrines don't approve of the pill be it plan B or regular birth control. To them, that is abortion, because life denied a chance by a conscious decision or action within human realm of choice is to them abortion. On the upside this same group argues against GMO'd foods, and environmental pollutants that affect the pregnant, and meek...meh good with the bad right?

    I can respect them for keeping their ideals consistent, but I can't respect their push into supporting a man's law to outlaw the pill or plan B.

    Because influencing law, would be forcing the tenants of a faith on those who don't follow that faith.
     
  19. sunshine186

    sunshine186 midnight toker

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    Plan B and an ABORTION pill are two different things...
    You're not necessarily pregnant if you take the pill.

    It's not recommended as birth control, however, it is usually preventative, rather than an abortifacient.

    I've heard, though, that something like Queen Anne's Lace can be viewed as both contraceptive, and contraction inducer if you are in the early stages.
     
  20. monkjr

    monkjr Senior Member

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    Right and I was just playing devils advocate explaining the counter argument as to why the Christian/Catholic faith along with many other faiths, don't see it as separate because POTENTIALLY, even if the chance was/is small, some fertilized human eggs DO not get to implant, and get flushed/thrown away.

    To them, that is abortion because life begins at conception, no if ands or buts about that.

    If a miscarriage happens naturally against the will of the would've been mother at no fault of her own, that is different because the individual played no part in helping lose the human inside her.

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    Both sides of the argument now explained can we move on?
     

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