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#61 farmout

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Posted November 26 2013 - 04:24 PM

until the religious nutz take over.....:-(
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Posted December 20 2013 - 10:15 PM

Will America get taken over? Maybe. I hope the UK does it, because at least they're not in shambles economically like us.

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Posted December 24 2013 - 01:46 PM

it won't last for ever, no nation ever has. but there's a fair to medlin chance it will outlast its world dominance. great britain did, as an example, and in many ways its been better off since its empire mostly went its own way.

much the same may be the fate of the u.s.

there does seem to be some very rough water ahead, with the rise of right wing extemists and the loss of the real middle class that once made it strong.

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Posted December 24 2013 - 02:06 PM

America can't be judged based on what has happened to civilizations past. We are too advanced to crumble of our own accord. The only threat we face is global cataclysm. We might sink like Atlantis; we might not. In which case, America might exist until the end of time or the end of its usefulness as we expand our reach beyond the stars.

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Posted December 26 2013 - 03:42 AM

America can't be judged based on what has happened to civilizations past. We are too advanced to crumble of our own accord. The only threat we face is global cataclysm. We might sink like Atlantis; we might not. In which case, America might exist until the end of time or the end of its usefulness as we expand our reach beyond the stars.


i'm sure hitler thought the same thing about his own endevours.

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Posted December 26 2013 - 03:44 AM

The idea that "money" is put ahead of "people" is too vague to even be discussed


i'm sure it must seem that way, to someone who has never known nor imagined anything else.

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Posted December 26 2013 - 05:38 AM

until the religious nutz take over.....:-(


They haven't already?

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Posted January 12 2014 - 06:28 AM

america's demize, will not be as a result of hostile invasion, but of internal collapse.

we are witnessing today, the colapse of the very assumptions upon which its previous stability, if it ever had any, has been based.

i say if it even had stability because what we have seen as it was rising throught almost its entire existence and then began declining with raygun's insanity and has been doing so ever since.

unlike at least a few other countries who have enjoyed some degree of stability for a time in their histories.

america fears not expanding, precisely because of the concept of stability being so alien to it. yet reality puts practical limits on any concept of expansion in any context.

america does not have to remain headed in the direction of self distruction. for the past 30 or so years, since the early 1980s, it merely has.

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Posted January 13 2014 - 03:14 PM

Some days I just think the whole world is fucked up,seems to me that every country is having a "Reap what ya sow" day and there is no way in hell they can turn it around.Revolution sounds great but the powers that be are not going to give in to easy to the people and the people will just take the oppression down to the last squeeze and by then it will be a too little too late scenario.I'm pretty sure TPTB have crunched the numbers and are working on the solution,depopulation is the only way,they just haven't worked out the best way to deliver it yet.

It's not a case of America or the UK or Europe,it's the whole planet that's going to hell in a basket case,nothing to see here folks just move along and don't get caught in a crowded carriage.LOL.

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Posted January 17 2014 - 08:55 PM

Some days I just think the whole world is fucked up,seems to me that every country is having a "Reap what ya sow" day and there is no way in hell they can turn it around.Revolution sounds great but the powers that be are not going to give in to easy to the people and the people will just take the oppression down to the last squeeze and by then it will be a too little too late scenario.I'm pretty sure TPTB have crunched the numbers and are working on the solution,depopulation is the only way,they just haven't worked out the best way to deliver it yet.

It's not a case of America or the UK or Europe,it's the whole planet that's going to hell in a basket case,nothing to see here folks just move along and don't get caught in a crowded carriage.LOL.

yes, that's about the size of it. the kind of countries that dominate the world now, are just not likely to survive an environmental implosion that wipes out a major percentage of humanity, something existing economic systems seem to have a date with.

we'll all learn the hard way what we already know, but keep insisting on denying. by we of course, i'm referring here to consensus of economic interests, which seem to be deaf to real organic people who use our brains and have even a little understanding of what is going on.

indiginous cultures, in all their individually small scale, but near infinite diversity, will outlive superstate corporate culture which keeps trying to deny its existence and viability.

nor will all or even most of technological 'culture' be lost or even forgotten. but it won't be continuous with what we have now either. there will be a decade or two during which the future of humanity as a species will hand in doubt due to conditions of famine and disease more then any threat of large scale conflict.

the missles and drones will rust in their silos. but after a boy and his dog and mad max, someone just may reinvent solar planels and narrow gauge railways in a world the rivers will have flushed themselves and again run clean.

i don't know how long before all that comes about, or how long it will actually last, or how deep it will actually cut, or what we might end up doing instead that will avoid that. but i'm pretty sure business as we know it today won't be able to avoid it.

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Posted March 04 2015 - 02:33 PM

1-4 years and US will fall. trust me, Eveil nation domination couldn't last long .


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Posted March 04 2015 - 04:01 PM

our last hurrah..


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Posted March 04 2015 - 04:49 PM

458 years, 5 months, 8 days, 6 hours, 43 minutes and 34 seconds.


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Posted March 04 2015 - 06:38 PM

It's already gone. 


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Posted March 07 2015 - 09:23 AM

America can last for very long. The land and society will adapt/change to circumstances/people. Like when the bigger majority becomes spanish speaking :P

 

Maybe what certain people liked of America will not last. They have to adapt a little too. No nation is static. In the long end they all will fall or become something else.


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Posted March 07 2015 - 09:34 AM

America is over. We let the 60s liberals have too much power, and in under the banner of being inclusive and open minded, we've lost the farm.

 

Let me get this straight. I have no problem with liberals or being liberal. We should all practice it. But it has no place in a governmental setting. Liberalism practiced on a personal level amounts to charity and well being for ones fellow man. Give it the power of government sanctions and give it authority, and it turns to unbridled evil. 



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Posted March 15 2015 - 12:00 PM

America can't die because it is a concept that is greater than the thing itself.  This concept embodies an ideal, that we, as men and women, can act as men and women, without kings or lordship, and succeed.  How can that ever die?  It cannot.  The country itself may come and go, who knows, but its memory will always remain, and the people of Earth shall be better for it.  



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Posted March 15 2015 - 02:20 PM

'bout 15 more minutes...


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Posted March 15 2015 - 02:21 PM

Shouldn't be much longer, It's already in overtime.

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Posted March 16 2015 - 02:01 PM

America can't die because it is a concept that is greater than the thing itself.  This concept embodies an ideal, that we, as men and women, can act as men and women, without kings or lordship, and succeed.  How can that ever die?  It cannot.  The country itself may come and go, who knows, but its memory will always remain, and the people of Earth shall be better for it.  

 

Its memory will always remain, like the memory of the Babylonians, or the Roman Empire, or the Persian Empire, (etc etc)

 

Of course its memory will remain, but that doesn't mean it will last. 

 

Men and women acting as men and women - what does that mean?  The non-US 95% of people in the world act as men & women too, y'know. 

 

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Posted March 16 2015 - 02:16 PM

Agreed. The concept is not exclusively american. Nor is it the country itself.

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Posted March 16 2015 - 04:47 PM

I was just being optimistic.



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Posted March 17 2015 - 04:41 AM

a name can keep going for a long time without continuing to have anything to do with what it was furst applied to.  in that sense it could go on for a while.

in that sense, it may have fallen a long time ago, or even before it 'rose'.  the america i was born in, died in 1980. 

the america of conservative fantasy lasted from the end of world war two, until the election of eisenhour. or at any rate, no longer then it took for maccarthism to get started.

 

has america ever been anything other then a zombie of what it claims to aspire to?  for that matter, has any nation?

 

will a day come that makes the very concept of superpower nations obsolete?  absolutely such a day is very likely, and within a lot less then another hundred years. 

but i couldn't name a date.  just role some dice or throw a dart at something.  (no, not someone's fat ass, though i am sure there are plenty of tempting ones)

 

i think there very much will come a time, when for a long time, even the concept of nations isn't going to mean much.  a world much like that in ursula le guinne's always coming home, following the famines and mega-poly-demics, that are the real problem to come from what we've done and are continuing to do to the environment.

 

whether or not america as a country falls first, the whole idea of nations as we know them is pretty much fated to, by what we've been doing, pretty much since the invention of practical ways to harness steam.

 

and i'm not saying the existence of complex technologies are themselves the problem.  what i mean, is that an economics which disregards environment as irrelevant, is itself irrelevant and doing it wrong.

 

we are a land of backward headed people, and backward headed people run into things they're not looking at.


Edited by themnax, March 17 2015 - 04:48 AM.

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Posted March 17 2015 - 04:53 AM

America can't die because it is a concept that is greater than the thing itself.  This concept embodies an ideal, that we, as men and women, can act as men and women, without kings or lordship, and succeed.  How can that ever die?  It cannot.  The country itself may come and go, who knows, but its memory will always remain, and the people of Earth shall be better for it.  

too bad this has nothing to do with the america i've lived in for the past 66, almost 67 years now.  the america i know and live in, has fought and continues to fight, for the continuation of hierarchy.  it just uses different names and a superficially different way of doing so.


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Posted March 17 2015 - 05:29 AM

Men and women cannot rule their selves very long at all. The first generation that really doesn't have to earn it starts betraying it and dragging it to hell like trash did here. You get all these people with all these "important beliefs!" To fight over and then you rope the dopes after they have so insisted to do it to their own selves. We have known for a very very long time that people can last a couple centuries at most until they start voting in welfare and big salaries - using the power to rape and pillage their own stuff. Apes stupid.
"To give organizations precedence over persons is to subordinate ends to means. What happens when ends are subordinated to means was clearly demonstrated by Hitler and Stalin. Under their hideous rule personal ends were subordinated to organizational means by a mixture of violence and propaganda, systematic terror and the systematic manipulation of minds. In the more efficient dictatorships of tomorrow there will probably be much less violence than under Hitler and Stalin. The future dictator's subjects will be painlessly regimented by a corps of highly trained social engineers."
Sound like any Obama/UN cartels we know?

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Posted April 21 2015 - 12:11 AM

well it isn't just america.  the trans pacific pissoff, is the legal instrument by which corporate feudalism will have completely eliminated government by consent of the governed, essentially everywhere on the planet.

 

its the tea nazi's brainwashing people into equating freedom with ideology, when in reality every ideology, with not exceptions, is the exact opposite of real freedom of any kind.

and its the same, whatever ideology you want to call it.

 

every ideology is exactly this one same thing: an excuse, to not base policy, on the conditions it creates.  and it gets people to go along with the bullshit of doing so.

 

and organized familar name brands of belief, like christianity, islam and so on, arn't usually much better.  (however well intended they may have ALL started out to be)  they're really just used as packaging to further hide the deception of what ideology really is, behind it.

 

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aggressiveness, the dominance of aggressiveness, is tyranny.  whatever the lie.  whatever the excuse.

 

america is just a place.  a place with a culture that promotes and encourages aggressiveness.  but its still just a place.

 

and a place that will be much better off, when that culture changes, to where it stops doing so.


Edited by themnax, April 21 2015 - 12:21 AM.

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