Children and Nudism

Discussion in 'Nudism, Naturism' started by HippyFreek2004, Mar 20, 2008.

  1. Friggin Joe

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    The issue doesn't lie in anyone's personal outlook on nudism, but the fact that you're in the middle of a society that doesn't share the same values. A majority of which doesn't share the same values, btw.
    There are a few aholes around here who've demonstrated exactly what a lot of nudists detest in the ideas of nudism.
    You think those family nudist camp DVD's are selling solely to nudists?

    Also worth noting is everyone's different. You or I are no measure of how the same circumstances would influence an individual child. It's ground that must be treaded careful and you'd better be damned sure you're good at guessing potential outcomes.
    Personally, I would not hide nudity in a household. I also would not want kids under my care to have it known how they act at the home, due to what's out there.
    Even nudist colonies aren't all on the up and up.
     
  2. Son of John

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    I'm interested in your comment "all nudist colonies aren't on the up and up". Will you explain please!
     
  3. visaman

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    I agree that people are people, but a few years ago I went to an open house at a local nudist campground. I was playing in a pick-up volleyball game with people my age and older, when a rather well formed and full figured 15 or 16 year old girl decided to play on the other team.

    Now keep in mind that I was in my mid to late 30's at the time, and a nudist for 15+ years, but I have to admit that it was very difficult for me to concentrate on my game (not that I am a good play by any means), and be memorized by her her jiggling and giggling , so after a few minutes I had to leave the game to "cool down" a bit.

    So, that's why not too many teens go nude in public, it's like playing with dynamite!

    I never went back to the nudist camp.
     
  4. Dario Western

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    Maybe the problem is within you, not with the others and you need to deal with it. The trouble with American culture is it brainwashes people to see sex in *all* situations involving nudity, even when it is not there at all.

    You shouldn't stop going to the nudist camp just because of that, you just need to restructure your way of thinking.

    The more that teens are desensitised to non sexual nudity the better. In European cultures the teens generally have a much healthier attitude towards sex and their bodies with the result that self-loathing and unwanted pregnancies are virtually non-existent.
     
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  5. brookehogan

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    The argument would be that the children have seen all kinds of human bodies, of both sexes and all ages, including kids their own age.


    Dads and Teenagers
     
  6. nldn

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    In western societies the countries that seem to have the most hang-ups about nudity (US, UK) also have the highest rates of teenage pregnancies. There are I am sure many factors, for example poverty, but is there some connection between the attitudes to nudity (beaches, spas etc) and the levels of teenage pregnancies?
     
  7. creedlespeek

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    I think it's important for children to see nude adults in a non-sexual way just so they're not utterly shocked when they finally do experience being around others nude. If you grow up with your first experience of nude people being the hypersexualized, airbrushed images of the internet, you're going to be insanely self-conscious and disappointed.
     
  8. caster1

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    I grew up in a fairly conservative enviroment but had a mom that was not afraid to let my brother and I run nude, nor did she mind us seeing her that way. But... seeing her it was usually in context of her changing or us showering together when we were little boys. (Big walk in type shower)
    Me, I was a little streaker, they couldn't keep clothes on me. My wife still can't.

    Anyway, as far as being a grown man with little nude kids around? I think they are absolutely beautiful, I love seeing naked kids. Pure innocence. I also think they should see adults nude as I did growing up.
    But... I would never-ever even consider doing anything inappropriate with them. To me they are like art, admire their innocent beauty but that is all.

    Society is to hung up about nudity and sex, it is not un-natural for either to be exposed to children. Up until the past hundred years or so children and adults all lived in a single room dwelling, you don't think most children saw their parents have sex over the last few thousand years?
     
  9. creedlespeek

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    Yeah, caster. It's like a nude squirrel. I think they're adorable and lovely, but it doesn't really excite me in any way.
     
  10. Biggles_Nude!

    Biggles_Nude! Hakuna matata.

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    I've seen children go from birth to their mid-teens in a nudist resort, sleep in the same room (brothers/sisters), shower together, walk and swim amongst themselves and others — then go their separate ways as they move into adulthood. Society could learn a lot from studying the holistic approach to living life naturally and free of ill perceptions, distorted mores or pure daft values that belong in the Victorian era e.g. that "nudity equates to a flagrant display of sex". As I've seen it over so many years, I come to appreciate the major failings of society. Now all those kids from the 1980s are adults, married and have kids of their own. The cycle continues.
     
  11. Grae

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    I have to say, I think that is the case all-over. Growing up my parents were never shy about their bodies, but it certainly wasn't a situation where they were naked around the house at all.

    I think a lot of my social hangups that I had as a kid could've been eased if my parents had been a bit more easy-going. I feel that when I have a kid [something I've really wanted to do since I was one myself] I would like to teach them a clothing optional lifestyle. Assuming my partner is willing, that is.

    I think if I myself had grown up without the knowledge that going outside my bedroom without three layers of clothing could get me a clip around the ear?

    ....yeah.
     
  12. Dude111

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    Exactly.......

    Nudism is not about Sex,its about the beauty of nature! (Which so many have been blinded to)
     
  13. GardenGuy

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    Kids are not made safe by clothing, but by watchful parents raising wise kids.
    In the little nudist camp I go to, parents are helped by many friends making sure that kids are safe and having fun. Raising kids without clothes spares them a whole host of phobias and obsessions. It is worth it. Even we adults benefit from nude living; we can unlearn some of the craziness.
     
  14. Dude111

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    Yes good point!!

    Why has society made people scared of thier bodies?? (Thats what it seems like anyway)
     
  15. tabula-rasa

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    I don't want to offend. I'm posting a reply to this from a random search for something completely different, but I was curious about the post and what people were writing and got very discouraged by what I read. I registered for the express purpose of replying to this.

    From the VERY first post by the OP, the stage is set to separate "sexuality" from "body" and "nudity" as if one of the three is somehow "good" while the other two are somehow "bad."

    The idea that "sexuality" and "nudism" is NOT joined at the hip is not merely naive, but also harmful. The ideaL of children being non-sexual and that adults are not attracted to the nudity of children BECAUSE they are children is also naive and dangerous. The question is whether nudism is REALLY committed to "body acceptance" in a mature and healthy way.

    ANY sexualized encounter between an adult and child where the adult is in ANY way initiating things is AUTOMATICALLY wrong and correctly illegal. Let me say that, first, because I believe it.

    To say that nudity and sex is some perversion of a "clothed" western culture is just as dangerous as saying that "nudism" and "sexuality" should be separated. "Western society" developed "clothing" as a way to PROTECT the STRONG taking advantage of the weak. It was a response to the NATURAL response of human animals reacting in the biological way of wanting to procreate with any acceptable "mate" by "hiding" the biological trigger.

    "Nudism" wants "nakedness" to be acceptable and has chosen the "defense" of a philosophy that "nudity" has nothing to do with sexuality... it ACCEPTS the textile philosophy that sexuality is automatically dirty: Body is ok, Sex is dirty. ;) (and on the side says that "sex" is natural, but only as a sideline so that it can ALSO say that "nude" is NOT sex.)

    Children are sexual. They are COMPLETELY not in the same place as an adult who is ALSO sexual. Adults experience a sexual response and so do children. Does that mean it's ok for an adult to be with a child? No. Never.

    Does "no and never" mean that an adult doesn't respond to a nude child? No. Does it mean that an adult has to DENY that they are responding? No. Are they allowed to in any way ACT on that? NO! Is it BAD that they reacted? No.

    The reason I think that "nudism" is GOOD for a child is that it allows EVERYBODY is dealing with "what is" and not pretending that there is something that is not true. Nudists that pretend that they DON'T have to deal with sexuality and even CHILD sexuality and even ADULT feelings toward children (and dealing with the "actions") are just as bad as textiles and the Catholic Church.
     
  16. GardenGuy

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    If you get discouraged every time someone posts an opinion you disagree with, you are in for a sad life.

    Not sure where you are getting these conclusions, but I suggest that you are doing too much theorizing and not having enough real-world experience.
    Clothed people meet other clothed people all the time and are attracted to one another, though covered head to toe. Conclusion: sexual attraction is part of being human, whether one is clothed or nude. Conversely, we also run into people every day whom we don't find physically attractive (not that it matters)

    If you find nude children irresistible to your lust, then stay away from them until you are emotionally whole and have good impulse control. Get help if you need it. But generalizing your problem to humanity at large is a big error.
    Your children are safe not because they wear clothes, but because you watch over them. We do the same.

    I have seen with my own eyes that social nudity is a beneficial part of society. Adults, kids, and teens can co-exist and prosper nude.
     
  17. freecospirit

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    Gardenguy I know exactly where you are coming from and from my personal viewpoint I totally agree with you. From the child's point of view nudity is something that they are not really conscious of. The majority of naturists, many of whom started with a sexual motive, have realised that the child's preference for being naked is natural, completely innocent and it is only society's prejudice which has prevented the same attitude being carried on into adult life.

    From a textile viewpoint however being naked outside the bathroom is generally associated with sexual desires. This belief is so well planted in our society that even genuine naturist couples through peer and family pressures become more textile orientated once children become part of their family. In a world where nudity has become associated with sex it is difficult for a textile to comprehend that body freedom and sex have different facets of enjoyment.
     
  18. GardenGuy

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    Freecospirit,

    It is encouraging to read your words of affirmation.

    I grew up with a family that had a relaxed attitude about nudity, but for a time I went prudish myself. Thank God I returned to the values I was raised with.

    There are still a lot of people who have no idea what the nudist community is like.

    I wish it were mandatory for every American to spend a day totally naked at a nudist camp or resort. For many, the preconceptions would vanish very quickly.
     
  19. Kaalvoet

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    Kids are natural nudits and barefootters,thats why they always take off their clothes and shoes.Parents cause grave injusticies by forcing the kids to put ön their clothes and shoes again when they remove it .Teen nudists dönt realy have a privacy thing,provided they were raised informed ,respecting,loving and enjoying their bodies,and are 100% comfortable in their skins and sexuality...and also proudly naked.If they were raised to accept nature,and the processos of their addolesence,its alright. The önly thing that is problematic is menstration in girls,but thats also delt with as normal,and is in fact the proof of maturing and is in comparison like the boy that starts ejaculating.When boys are raised propper nudists,and at ease with their desires,developement and phases,shyness is no issue,providing they have been informed about morning erections ,nightly immitions,ejaculations and masturbation.,and having been 'exposed' to it(,i.e seeing dad and/or brothers going througH the same.). The same principal applies to girls.With teen boys.the only snag are the untimely erectiöns and arrousels ,but when raised being comfortable in their skin,and the penile processes seen and accepted as NATURAL And NORMAL,and to be enjoyed,its no issue.The parent ought to guide the child from a young age,educating them in these issues as being normal,as well as the natural developement of their bodies and phases,including their sexuality. I raised my son a total nudist,being one myself and was very open and candid about everything.To illustrate,two short stories: .My sön was 14,and we had visitors over a weekend,and having been naked all day,he prepared to bath and get ready for bed(he always slept in the nude no matter where,when or how long),after he had bathed that night,he had made him a bed in front of the tv,the wife,and the visitors were dressed,and he lay outstretched on the make-shift bed in the nude,hands behìnd his head,and got arroused by the wrestling divas,and erected horridly.The wifè suggested he put ön a short,he just looked at her surprised and said..."mom,I'M a boy,and my penis should errect,should'nt it? Why hide it,I'm not shy...its normal". The second incident happned just before his death.We went for a Sunday drive in the festive season.Two things my son hated with a passion...wearing shoes,(he was a barefooter galore) and underpants,and he equaly loathed clothes.He always said his penis needed air,anyway,we stopped for an ice cream,and we had no swimwear with us,and it was a textile önly beach.He wanted to have a swim,so i asked him in what he'd swim?He just answred casually:"Dad,do'nt be silly!In my skin!" THE beach was packed,and he calmly stripped naked,but...he had one of those untimely errections,and a woman made some derogotory remark,and he calmy respönded-"Ma'am...I am a boy,I have a penis,and penisses occasionally errect,it's not unique,and i am deffinately not special"...and he leisurely dived into the waves.After his swim,calmly walked to the car,sun dried,and got in, naked.Even when his textile friends came over,he would remain naked,and when he came home with his friends(textile),he'd take off his clothes.Even if we went to town,the minute he walked io,hed get naked.Well,that was my son,he and his friends(nudist) had no private issues.HE would not let others photograph him,unless i gave permission,in my prerence.A girlfriend once visited him while he was naked,and she wanted to become fondling-ish,he rashly told her..."you may only look,but never touch (he was 14),thats my wifes rite öne day".Nudist kids,when raised right,will have boundries,and no shy issues.The truth is,the way the parent portrays,deals with,and accepts the normality of nudism,and teach by example,determines the childs response.Sexuality is just as much part of the nudist teen,as is the case with textile teens,but,MINUS the curiosity aspect such as is the case with textillians.Sexuality is experienced as holistic in the nudist,but witin personal boundries,whereas textillians experience it as secretive,euen mystical,and unmentionable,and slightly shamefull,or a total coqeuring crusade.My son lived it proudly,respectfull,and within his stride.In closing,he had a friend come visit him out of the blue and unexpectantly one morning early,i found the friend outside the yard,as i returned from work early,on his way to my son.I escorted him into the house and to my sons room,and we found him masturbating,he just stood up,threw a huge smile,and hugged me,extatic that i returned early,and then greeted his buddy,unpreturbed,and still naked (his penis red and erect due to our untimely disturbance) proceeded to make us coffee,while i got naked for a bath.I realised then,i did something right,somewhere!
     
  20. GardenGuy

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    Kaalvoet,

    We all have to die someday, but some people leave us far sooner than we wish. Your son had only a few years, but he left his mark on the world nonetheless. Thank you for telling us about him.

    To be sure, he will get credit for good choices he made, but this boy's character is also a reflection of good teaching and good example.

    I do not understand those who say that they will not teach their values to their children so that they can "make up their own minds". Because much of what we teach is by example, values get passed along anyway.

    If I believe that living nude around the house and yard and among friends contributes toward openness, good body image and avoiding the twin evils of lechery and prudish body shame, then I will not hesitate to advocate this life to my children.

    American society works very hard against such values and raising naturist children requires that we articulate our beliefs. My dad was a good man, but he lost me for a few years because he did not explain why he was nude, did not encourage his kids enough. I am better with words and things will be different this time around.

    People need to study your story. I think all of us can learn a lot from it.
    God bless!
     

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