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#1 HippyFreek2004

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Posted March 20 2008 - 12:42 PM

I believe this can be a very valid and interesting topic, especially as a nudist mother with a budding nudist toddler child.

Here are the rules though: This conversation can be related to the implications of teaching Nudism/naturism to children, how to go about doing so, stories about your personal experiences as a child or parent of a nudist child. It can even contain jokes, interesting articles pertaining to the topic.

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If you think this is unfair, PM me at either of my usernames: HippyFreek2004 or HippyFreek. We will discuss the matter in private. Thank you for your support in this forum. :)

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Posted March 25 2008 - 08:44 AM

I do agree with everything you say and I am rather upset at my comments being taken out of context and twisted to appear to be sexualizing children.
I have to admit that the sight of, and being with naked children in a nudist setting appeals to me as I do beleive that the body of a child, whether male or female is a beautiful thing.
I do not however, agree with the belief that just because someone finds them attractive that they are immediately going to do something unspeakable to them or around them. Anyone doing such a thing or condoning such activities should of course have appropriate action taken against them. But to find them beautiful and to teach them that nudity is natural and not at all dirty or sexual is surely a good way to behave in such circumstances.

What do you think??

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Posted March 25 2008 - 09:08 AM

nudist steve you have posted in many many threads about how you wanted to masterbate to your children
you also offered to let complete strangers photograph them naked
you go on and on about how great they are being shaved (at 12..yuck)

i think the threads a great idea, but i think it will bring out the creeps

with me and nudism and children in a nudist environment theres nothing at all sexual about the nudity, wether adult or child, its just a person..a human being, naked or not child or adult, theyre just people, to be relat4d to as people, not as sexual playthings the way you describe your children is disgusting
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Posted April 07 2008 - 08:25 AM

Steve, you are one of the said creeps and problems nudists have with the perception of it all. Stop backpeddling, stfu, and rethink your selfish strategy as a parent, if anything about your posts is real.

Bringing up children to be comfortable with nudity is a dilemma, IMO.
"Hiding your body" does have its pro's IMO. That "naughty" factor, I think, does bring on a level of discomfort that holds a (more applicably) a girl back from being sexually open and active because being seen in front of someone in itself takes a certain level of comfort that may come with time. That time might afford a kid (usually the girl's more affected by this) some consideration time about other factors.
On one hand, having been exposed to and comfortable with the things most people hide will take away from the mystique, which in itself may lend to experimentation and curiosity that brings on sexual encounters. On the other hand, I would not feel rested knowing a girl (my girlfriend's daughter) is more comfortable to disrobe in front of a boy because of her upbringing. She's seen me many times over the years and doesn't hide herself around the house. The closeness and fact that she isn't equating nudity to sexuality or perversion is nice. I would not, however, like that frame of mind making it more likely to do the same around a male friend or boyfriend of hers. She's 15 now and her blessing of a beautiful body is my curse.
The world isn't nudists, and I'm sure whatever restraint boys demonstrate would be gone the second she showed herself.
That silly 'shame' in being naked may appear unwarranted, but it is also a saving grace.
I'm very fortunate, that she doesn't not carry over the level of comfort she displays with her mother and I, to her everyday life. But who knows, at 16. 15 is too young to develop sexual relationships. At least for her, personally. Her maturation is indeed causing many ulcers to me. LOL.
And that's just her. Another girl in her position could be free enough with nudism in general to display herself at 13 due to the upbringing. I'm using "girl" more than boy due to the differences in society and my personal situation, involving a girl (there's the predator/prey reality factoring in, like it or not).
While nudism isn't sexual, it can absolutely tie in with sexuality. Most certainly a non-nudist, who's most of the planet is going to associate nudity with sexuality.

What's more, in favor of deciding against raising a child in nudism, is making the naked body private gives one something special to share with a person they feel deserves to see more of the person's inner and outer self.

In short, nudism and children..potentially healthy, potentially dangerous.
It's all in the individual and it's all in the context and values given in the lifestyle.

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Posted April 07 2008 - 07:10 PM

when i was little i was naked a lot i guess well not a lot but there was no problem with it in my house

i guess its about being open

i dono i guess i would be mortified to be a nudist now but yea ohh well
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Posted April 08 2008 - 08:52 AM

What naturists say is that being naked around other naked people does children nothing but good. It means that they grow up with no lingering curiosity about what bodies are like, and when the time comes for them to become sexually active, they aren't so overwhelmed by embarrassment about just having their clothes off that they forget about any kind of limits. And the result (so it's claimed) is that teenage pregnancies are much less common among nudist kids than among textiles. Then again, nudists tend to be educated middle-class people, good liberals who'd be all in favor of sex education and avoiding shame about sex whether they're nudists or not, and maybe that's the major influence on the kids. But at least, there have never been any serious claims that children from nudist families suffer any harm from it.

The argument would be that the children have seen all kinds of human bodies, of both sexes and all ages, including kids their own age. Having seen so many people naked, the kids are likely to ask questions that'll give them basic information about sex which they can assimilate as they grow up. And they're learning that sex is something we choose to do, not something we can only allow to happen when we're "swept away". In a world where nudity is most often associated with sex, nudist kids see that being naked doesn't make us have sex, in fact nothing needs to make anyone do it except when the time comes that they want to. And they'd be inclined to say, "Well, when I want to have sex I'm going to treat it as a natural human activity that you can enjoy and not feel guilty about, if you just do it right." Meaning, no unwanted pregnancy, no diseases, nobody being exploited (as good liberals would want it to be).

That's an ideal, of course. The real world might not be quite as simple, but we can always have the idea of perfection.

It's too bad that young people might feel mortified about the idea of being seen naked, but it's all in the experience people have had. If someone had grown up from childhood seeing other people naked and being naked themselves, they'd be more likely to understand that their body is natural and there's room in the world for everyone.
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Posted April 08 2008 - 09:15 AM

Friggen Joe and pixeewinged seem to have both hit the nail on the head quite well.

I seem to have a lingering obsession with penis from my childhood. I have a habit of drawing penises or writing the word while graffiti-ing up my stuff. I figure it's because society made it such a taboo thing.
My habit could certainly cause some weird judgments. (I would have to scratch out my penis scribbles on some of my schoolwork throughout highschool.) Too much of anything is never a good thing. Too much mystery and taboo from society around penis caused a strange obsession with it for me, potentially pushing me further from society if it spiraled out of control.
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Posted April 08 2008 - 10:14 AM

Having lived in the Amazon jungles and visited many times, I became very comfortable seeing people without clothes...especially little people. Seems a very healthy normalapproach to living especially in the context of a hot humid climate. Watching the interactions of adults and kids without clothes reminds me of the sacrafices we have made in order to claim we're civilized. It was not uncommon to have some wet little monster run from the river and jump up to be hugged. What fun, a fresh clean healthy kid radiant in his or her natural best. I lived there long enough to watch the kids grow from running naked all the time, to wearing clothes around strangers, to wearing clothes al the time. When they began to hit puberty they developed a need for some privacy, especially boys, who could not hide their hormonal storms.
I don't think I'd feel comfortable in a nudist/naturalist setting...having seen "the real thing" I think it might seem contrived...I dunno. My neighbor's rotten little kid was my shadow much of the time, we were great friends, it was odd to see him with clothes on. Now that he's a grown man it would be odd to see him naked. I can't see any harm in letting little kids be free. There really isn't a more beautiful scene than happy little kids playing without social baggage.

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Posted April 08 2008 - 01:53 PM

Yeah Pixee, I agree with you on letting the little ones run free here in the states.I adopted 2 two of the little wildmen I knew from there and they're pretty free spirits...of course we live in the woods of the Shawnee Forest so we have more privacy. The kids also seem to have an immediate sense of when someone is watching them cause they're beautiful young creatures of god and when someone is looking the "wrong" way. Our pond is a natural skinny dipping place. It's almost as natural here as in Peru (except for winter). The thing I feel weird about are like nudist colonies... clusters of people without a logical connection. That seems awkward to me. I also got used to the being the object of curiosity, being a large hairy gringo in a country of copper colored folks with little body hair...People just wanted to sort of look at you when you'd be at the river or showering somewhere...It was largely a culture without walls, Privacy was afforded simply by not looking. It soon enough became no big deal.

We set up a clinic in river town once during high water season. All the houses were on stilts. Everybody wanted to come see the western doctors and shamans practicing medicine together. There was this boy maybe about 12, who ferryed people back and forth through the flooded town. Naked, in and out of the boat, helping people stay dry carrying supplies and stuff. Toward the end of the day we'd seen most of the villagers, the boy showed back up, alone in his dugout this time and fully dressed. It was his turn to see the doctors and he wanted to be dressed up for the occasion. What a cute little guy, butt naked all day,then puts on his best stuff to "Officailly" come to the clinic. We teased him, we've already see every part of you. He was grins from ear to ear, what a healthy kid!

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Posted April 09 2008 - 10:59 AM

^ I think usually the purity you speak of is simply because in other places, you tocuh someone's child, you're gonna get murdered right back.
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Posted April 09 2008 - 01:29 PM

Gotcha. I always hate that.
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Posted April 10 2008 - 02:43 PM

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Unfortunately, this forum does have the potential to attract very sick and perverted people - and not just to do with nudism.

Nudisteve, I don't know who you are, but frankly if what the others are saying about you is true then go and get some serious professional help. You don't sound so much like a nudist as you are a nude fetishist (i.e. you see sexuality and sex in the most inappropriate environments and circumstances). So do something about it, or you could end up in a lot of trouble later on.

Now, with children and nudity: I am one of the few nudist individuals out there who believe that it is necessary for children to be exposed and raised into nudism, especially in my country.

Kids are the future of humanity, and I don't want to see future generations growing up with the same hangups and neuroses that I had about sex and my body when I was in my teens and as a result caused me to become a very lonely and insular person. I think if my parents had raised me as a nudist and encouraged my interaction with other nudist kids and teens, I'd probably be happily married with a family of my own now.

The majority of children raised in nudist families tend to be good academics, able to 'think outside the squares', and have less likelihood of being interested in porn or the fashion media where having expensive clothes and the "perfect" body is concerned.

There ought to be a good educational programme for schoolkids to learn about our lifestyle - the TNS (The Naturist Society) has an educational wing called the Naturist Educational Foundation in which it helps to bring more awareness of nudism to the masses. You can see their site at: http://www.naturisteducation.org

Finally, where 'child porn' is concerned, mere photos of kids playing naked in a campground or on the beach is *NOT* child porn. They have to be engaged in sexual behaviour or posed in a compromising way for it to be labelled thus.

Sites like russianbare.com , enature.net, nudism2000.com and purenudism.com all show children engaged in nude recreation in a wholesome, non-sexual manner and they are quite legal to view and also legal to buy DVDs of them.

I feel that Australian and American society in the main is very immature about nudism and needs to grow up and learn that nude is not lewd.

The European people tend to have a more sophisticated and astute attitude towards nudity, and sex crimes against children and women there are significantly lower than in America as a whole.

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Posted May 15 2008 - 11:55 AM

I mean Childen can be Nude without Problems . They dont thing sexual on there Bodys... Its allways the view of perv. Adults not from a Child than makes a Nude Child to a "sexual Object" . So why they can be run Nude in Garden or at the Beach...... If the want to take closes on .. they can of corse but why they have if they want to run free and play with wather or anything . Nudism have nothing to do with Erotic or Porn or that ... so its also for Kids.. We have two Kids and they are also Nudist . Not because they must.. only because they want to be.
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Posted May 17 2008 - 10:54 PM

I spent lots of summers in a nudist community growing up.

And I stayed a virgin until age 25, LOL. So, I don't necessarily think that being comfortable with one's nude body in front of people will lead girls or boys to explore their sexuality sooner, rather than later. I think someone mentioned that on this thread, so I thought I'd share my experience. Mainly, as with everything, I think it comes down to the values and philosophy one teaches their kids. Whether you do that nude or in clothes is not as important as what is being taught.

When I have kids, (well, I only want one) she/he can run around naked all they want. And they'll see us naked, not to mention we'll be going to nude beaches. I think nudity is a natural state, and sex is just ONE aspect of nudity, out of hundreds of other aspects. It's not even the main aspect, IMO. It's a shame that everything is so darn sexualized in America. I actually think nudity teaches the opposite idea - that our bodies are beautiful and natural, but they are NOT sexual objects nor are they sexual 24/7 in and of themselves.

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Posted May 19 2008 - 11:36 AM

Well put LittleWonder!!!!!

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Posted May 21 2008 - 09:50 AM

The issue doesn't lie in anyone's personal outlook on nudism, but the fact that you're in the middle of a society that doesn't share the same values. A majority of which doesn't share the same values, btw.
There are a few aholes around here who've demonstrated exactly what a lot of nudists detest in the ideas of nudism.
You think those family nudist camp DVD's are selling solely to nudists?

Also worth noting is everyone's different. You or I are no measure of how the same circumstances would influence an individual child. It's ground that must be treaded careful and you'd better be damned sure you're good at guessing potential outcomes.
Personally, I would not hide nudity in a household. I also would not want kids under my care to have it known how they act at the home, due to what's out there.
Even nudist colonies aren't all on the up and up.

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Posted July 10 2008 - 04:51 AM

I'm interested in your comment "all nudist colonies aren't on the up and up". Will you explain please!

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Posted November 20 2009 - 01:34 AM

I agree that people are people, but a few years ago I went to an open house at a local nudist campground. I was playing in a pick-up volleyball game with people my age and older, when a rather well formed and full figured 15 or 16 year old girl decided to play on the other team.

Now keep in mind that I was in my mid to late 30's at the time, and a nudist for 15+ years, but I have to admit that it was very difficult for me to concentrate on my game (not that I am a good play by any means), and be memorized by her her jiggling and giggling , so after a few minutes I had to leave the game to "cool down" a bit.

So, that's why not too many teens go nude in public, it's like playing with dynamite!

I never went back to the nudist camp.

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Posted May 12 2010 - 01:10 PM

I agree that people are people, but a few years ago I went to an open house at a local nudist campground. I was playing in a pick-up volleyball game with people my age and older, when a rather well formed and full figured 15 or 16 year old girl decided to play on the other team.

Now keep in mind that I was in my mid to late 30's at the time, and a nudist for 15+ years, but I have to admit that it was very difficult for me to concentrate on my game (not that I am a good play by any means), and be memorized by her her jiggling and giggling , so after a few minutes I had to leave the game to "cool down" a bit.

So, that's why not too many teens go nude in public, it's like playing with dynamite!

I never went back to the nudist camp.


Maybe the problem is within you, not with the others and you need to deal with it. The trouble with American culture is it brainwashes people to see sex in *all* situations involving nudity, even when it is not there at all.

You shouldn't stop going to the nudist camp just because of that, you just need to restructure your way of thinking.

The more that teens are desensitised to non sexual nudity the better. In European cultures the teens generally have a much healthier attitude towards sex and their bodies with the result that self-loathing and unwanted pregnancies are virtually non-existent.

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Posted May 13 2010 - 09:36 PM

The argument would be that the children have seen all kinds of human bodies, of both sexes and all ages, including kids their own age.


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Posted June 02 2010 - 11:46 AM

In western societies the countries that seem to have the most hang-ups about nudity (US, UK) also have the highest rates of teenage pregnancies. There are I am sure many factors, for example poverty, but is there some connection between the attitudes to nudity (beaches, spas etc) and the levels of teenage pregnancies?

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Posted June 03 2010 - 07:10 AM

I think it's important for children to see nude adults in a non-sexual way just so they're not utterly shocked when they finally do experience being around others nude. If you grow up with your first experience of nude people being the hypersexualized, airbrushed images of the internet, you're going to be insanely self-conscious and disappointed.

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Posted June 03 2010 - 07:43 AM

I grew up in a fairly conservative enviroment but had a mom that was not afraid to let my brother and I run nude, nor did she mind us seeing her that way. But... seeing her it was usually in context of her changing or us showering together when we were little boys. (Big walk in type shower)
Me, I was a little streaker, they couldn't keep clothes on me. My wife still can't.

Anyway, as far as being a grown man with little nude kids around? I think they are absolutely beautiful, I love seeing naked kids. Pure innocence. I also think they should see adults nude as I did growing up.
But... I would never-ever even consider doing anything inappropriate with them. To me they are like art, admire their innocent beauty but that is all.

Society is to hung up about nudity and sex, it is not un-natural for either to be exposed to children. Up until the past hundred years or so children and adults all lived in a single room dwelling, you don't think most children saw their parents have sex over the last few thousand years?

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Posted June 03 2010 - 07:46 AM

Yeah, caster. It's like a nude squirrel. I think they're adorable and lovely, but it doesn't really excite me in any way.

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Posted June 17 2010 - 02:20 AM

I've seen children go from birth to their mid-teens in a nudist resort, sleep in the same room (brothers/sisters), shower together, walk and swim amongst themselves and others — then go their separate ways as they move into adulthood. Society could learn a lot from studying the holistic approach to living life naturally and free of ill perceptions, distorted mores or pure daft values that belong in the Victorian era e.g. that "nudity equates to a flagrant display of sex". As I've seen it over so many years, I come to appreciate the major failings of society. Now all those kids from the 1980s are adults, married and have kids of their own. The cycle continues.
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Posted June 23 2010 - 03:21 PM

The trouble with American culture is it brainwashes people to see sex in *all* situations involving nudity, even when it is not there at all.


I have to say, I think that is the case all-over. Growing up my parents were never shy about their bodies, but it certainly wasn't a situation where they were naked around the house at all.

I think a lot of my social hangups that I had as a kid could've been eased if my parents had been a bit more easy-going. I feel that when I have a kid [something I've really wanted to do since I was one myself] I would like to teach them a clothing optional lifestyle. Assuming my partner is willing, that is.

I think if I myself had grown up without the knowledge that going outside my bedroom without three layers of clothing could get me a clip around the ear?

....yeah.