Is it the media or do I just know an odd group of people? (About abortion being left)

I constantly hear that pro-abortion is a leftist viewpoint. However, not only do I know a lot of leftist who are prolife, MOST otherwise left people I know are prolife. Do I know a really fucked up group or is the left not completely (Or mostly) pro-abortion?

 

The 'moral' right vs. the economic one.

 

"A genital wart is also a living thing. Burn it off." -Doug Stanhope

 

This is why labels are bad. Everyone is an individual and unique. Putting people into categories makes you look at the label instead of the person. Regardless of the label, I know few people who agree on everything.

 

"A genital wart is also a living thing. Burn it off." -Doug Stanhope

^ That's the most idiotic thing that I have ever heard of - It's just so childish and illogical, not to mention, very ignorant.

Anyway, if I had to choose which political party that I am, then I would be a socialist liberal, and I am pro-life, and I don't even follow any religion.

Pro-choicers only hurt the liberal image, and I do think there are more pro-choice liberals than pro-life liberals.

The stereotypical liberal is all about 'lack of restraint' and 'freedom of doing whatever I want', pretty much.

The sense that I am getting from conservatives is that they view liberals as unthoughtful, selfish, hedonistic, and perverse; and often times, they're right.

Both 'sides' really do live up to their stereotype quiet beautifully - There will always be exceptions, of course.

 

It's just so childish and illogical, not to mention, very ignorant.

Doug Stanhope is a stand-up comic. Probably the funniest guy alive today.

But he does raise a point, which is that not all life is equal, at least from our point of view. So the "pro-life" movement isn't really about promoting "life."

So then what makes a human life special, and more important (from our perspective) than the life that is an unwanted body growth? It's the human genetic material, of course. But a single conception is only one of many ("many" in this case being a number too large to comprehend) possible genetic outcomes even for those parents.

So if these people are really in favor of protecting the sanctity of all human life, why are they not working to protect all human genetic material, since all of it is, from their view, holy? What's next, prosecuting someone for masturbating, on the grounds that it's millions of times more destructive of human genes than all the abortions that have ever been done in all human history? Why no funeral when a girl has her period? And since nearly all abortions are spontaneous, why isn't God blamed for "the abortion problem" since he does nearly all of 'em?

As scientists have pointed out for decades now, the real functional unit of human life is the gene, and already 99.9999999999999999999% of it goes to waste and never becomes a person. We really are simply a gene's way of making more genes. Why aren't these pro-life people protecting and preserving all that potential life?

[Note: I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, I am actually very neutral on this topic, but it's usually debated with the genetic view excluded.]

 

The media likes to categorize EVERYTHING. This is how they create polarization among the public, which leads to isolation and fragmentation. It's called divide and conquer (a commonly used tactic that at least one of you needs to understand). This is exactly what they want. They want us to take SIDES on every issue, to which they administer the sides to (it doesn't matter if it's "left" or "right"), which the public is then expected to parrot without really thinking about. If you don't repeat either the programmed left wing view or the programmed right wing view, you're labeled as a kook or a "conspiracy theorist."

So I don't take sides on bogus issues about gay rights, abortion, and all this other stuff you're supposed to be all PC about. There's always another side to the two sides that are commonly presented.

Here is what I will say about abortion. Abortion was promoted, and still is promoted by very powerful and very ruthless people who are Malthusian (named after the eugenicist, Thomas Malthus). These people believe in EUGENICS and RACIAL PURITY, which is pretty much in line with what Hitler and the Nazis believed. Just look at some of the writings by the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, who believed that blacks were of an inferior race and that abortion and other forms of birth control must be promoted in order to lead to a "cleaner race."

So abortion was always about a eugenics and depopulation agenda. It was never to do with a "woman's rights," but that's how it's been sold to the public, because you must sell it in a way that isn't to offend people with conscience, who value human life and are decent people. Under this guise it will be accepted by people because, after all, how can you be against a woman's rights.... nevermind the rights of an unborn but living human being.

It's no coincidence that around the time that abortion was being normalized and popularized in the minds of the public, by the media, we also saw the emergence of so-called "free love" and the pill. The goal of the hidden hand working from behind the proverbial curtain has always been to destroy the family unit. By promoting promiscuity (again through the media and "pop culture") and subverting the role of sex -- from something that occurs between two people who genuinely love each other and for procreation, to something people do mostly only for pleasure, regardless of their feelings towards that person -- they knew they could slowly break down the family unit. The reason this has always been so important to these people is because the family represents the last vestige of the tribe, and without the family, people would no longer have anyone to look after them and the state would become their new family.

We find the same thing with feminism (fe-manism), which has nothing to do with women's rights or so-called equality. Feminism was funded by the CIA, and we now know that Gloria Steinem was on the CIA payroll because she admitted it herself. She admitted in her own autobiography that she worked for the CIA, spying on Marxist students in Europe and disrupting their meetings. She also admitted that her propaganda rag, Ms. Magazine, was bankrolled by the CIA. Why did the CIA bankroll and fund the feminist movement? Because it was aimed at destroying the family unit and the present order of society. It is the family unit that lies in direct opposition with their fascistic world government agenda.

It was feminism that sought to make women "equal" by making them more like men, where they soon became part of the workforce. Women gave up being slaves to their families, and instead became slaves to their corporate slavemasters. This worked well for the Elite, because as they were able to then rake in DOUBLE the income taxes they were previously able to, at the same time her children would be raised in state indoctrination centers known as public schools. This way the children would be brought up with the "NEW" values of big brother, versus the traditional values of the American family.

 

Interesting point about abortion being promoted as a form of ethnic cleansing, but there's also the argument that making abortion illegal can cause major problems, because now women who are desperate may turn to "underground" operations, or, worse yet, attempt the procedure themselves.

 

Damnit, when the fuck will I learn that you can't talk about something related to abortion without it turning into an abortion debate?

 

Damnit, when the fuck will I learn that you can't talk about something related to abortion without it turning into an abortion debate?

It's too emotional an issue for many people. When the discussions go back to defining things in scientific and legal terms, without the Bible quotes and wackos screaming "baby killer" outside of every abortion facility in the country, it may be possible to ask a question like yours without all of us threadjacking it.

I don't know the answer to your question, as I really don't ask it very often. Anyone answering knows they may be regarded as a "supporter of mass murder" and so the answer isn't necessarily reliable anyway.

 

To say pro-choice is a leftist view point is a generalization based on the idea of personal freedom (which in itself can be questioned), but that's only one aspect of it, so no, you can still be pro-life and consider yourself leftist.

Sorry for the threadjack, but SunLion's right, you can't expect to mention something as controversial as abortion without it turning into a full blown discussion.