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#1 Fawkes

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Posted November 08 2007 - 05:13 PM

That is messed up!!!!! I read something online about a motion in congress to allow illegal immigrants access to social security benefits. That is so wrong on so many levels!!! Is this true??? SS makes me so mad. When I retire I am going to rely on SS . . . to make my car payments. That is about all its going to be good for, especially if we are paying for half the western hemisphere!! We should be able to have control over our own accounts, like some other countries.

I posted this on yahoo as well, but didn't really get any good answers. So you may have seen this Q before. The people here tend to give better answers and may be a little more intelligent, I dunno.

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#2 Shocbomb

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Posted November 09 2007 - 12:43 PM

So many issues get me pissed that our Goverment does with illegal immigrants. ITS UNREAL. Most illegals have better health care then hard working Americans. If you think about it if I were poor in a 3rd world country why not come to America they don't inforce there laws on immigrants so you have nothing to fear. I can get on Welfare money for Rent and my pocket and food stamps and free Health Care for me and my family. and now even Social Security And the best part is I don't have to pay any money back into the systum because I get paid off the books. Its just crazy how much they suck of off the systum and how much crime they bring with them.I am all for people coming into this country the legal way but something has to be done with illegals they hurt this country in so many ways !!!!!

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Posted November 10 2007 - 08:21 PM

my parents are illegal immigrants and they pay taxes like everyone else they aren't mooching off anyone and when every one gets their tax money back, guess who doesn't. My family hasn't had any government help i.e food stamps, welfare. My dad is still paying taxes from three years ago, so fuck you.

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Posted November 10 2007 - 09:26 PM

I guess your Mom and Dad are like a immigrant normality ? You should have them go to scientist to run studies and test to see why they are not milking of the system ??? LOL

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Posted November 12 2007 - 04:01 AM

Fawkes, I believe what you are refering to is legislation that would give immigrants access to our Social Security if they have paid into the similar system in their home country. They have to forfeit their homeland "social security" in order to get it here. This is what I heard awhile back and don't know the details, but I am assuming this is what you heard about.

As far as I am aware one has to pay into Social Security to get anything out of it.

How do illegal immigrants get free health care?

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#6 mynameisjake07

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Posted November 12 2007 - 08:16 AM

awww so now you have to pay taxes just like everyone else here. Wake up call.

my parents are illegal immigrants and they pay taxes like everyone else they aren't mooching off anyone and when every one gets their tax money back, guess who doesn't. My family hasn't had any government help i.e food stamps, welfare. My dad is still paying taxes from three years ago, so fuck you.


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Posted November 12 2007 - 01:37 PM

I guess your Mom and Dad are like a immigrant normality ? You should have them go to scientist to run studies and test to see why they are not milking of the system ??? LOL

Is there some thing about a stranger being born out of the USA that gives citizens the right to be mean to that stranger?

I know a couple of illegal immigenats. They are good honest folks. (Anyone who drives above the speed limit or smokes weed is not allowed to call immegrants "crooked" simply on the basis of their lack of papers.) I don't want them to move away.

Treat people like people, not like cars that need proper registration papers.

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Posted November 13 2007 - 03:00 AM

Nice post.
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Posted November 13 2007 - 03:08 AM

walker is correct,,,,
at this point they cant get benefits here in form of social security and most do pay into the system of soc sec,,, unfortunately most ppl do not take the time and actually see this and just take snippits from media that are already skewed n twist them more... stop n think of all the ppl that do pay into our system to never reap a dime of what they have put into it because of there status,,,,

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Posted November 13 2007 - 03:09 AM

Treat people like people, not like cars that need proper registration papers.

probably the best stated argument for the immigrants I have ever heard

my orginal argument was gonna say the government shouldn't see them as people, but as criminals
but the more I think about it, the more our government seems to need to learn to think of people as people

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#11 mynameisjake07

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Posted November 13 2007 - 04:55 AM

^ yes people who are illegal though....did you guys ever hear about that story of a girl in virginia who was killed by a drunk driver who was illegal. Though he didnt get charged or anything because of lack of membership to america. Or what about when an illegal goes to a hospital and gets FREE care and then the americans are left paying EXTRA EXTRA on taxes just so some "people" can live on our great countries soil. I will start treating illegals fairly once they start treating americans fairly.
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Posted November 13 2007 - 05:11 AM

people all over this country dont get charged for things cuz of various reasons,,,, ya just dont hear about it,,,, its publicized when they do something for the sake of pissin off the ppl ,,,

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Posted November 13 2007 - 05:12 AM

^ does that make it any better?

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Posted November 13 2007 - 05:16 AM

does it make it any different?

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Posted November 13 2007 - 05:17 AM

well, it ruins your whole argument, so I guess so.

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Posted November 13 2007 - 05:19 AM

it does ,, does it???

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Posted November 13 2007 - 05:29 AM

you say it happens all the time
but was only publicized in this case to piss people off

I say that that doesn't make it any better
and therefore, should still be opposed.

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Posted November 13 2007 - 05:58 AM

oppose it all we wish... complaining does nothing in the end,,, it requires actions n actions no one is willing to take on any side,,, wastes a whole buncha energy really in the end why does no one put it to better usage... gah

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Posted November 13 2007 - 06:04 AM

^ such as yourself?

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Posted November 13 2007 - 06:18 AM

yes.........:)

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#21 WalkerInTheWoods

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Posted November 13 2007 - 06:21 AM

US citizens can and do go to hospitals and get "free" care. Hospitals are legally required to take anyone, whether they can pay or not, citizen or not. So anyone can walk in, get treated, and walk out without any intention of paying. I would hardly call this quality care, though.

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Posted November 13 2007 - 06:51 AM

^ haha yes but if your a citizen then you get charged, unlike mexicans they can just stroll into a hospital get thousands of dollars worth of care which PAYING TAX CITIZENS could be getting and then they run away as fast as they ran into the hospital so they dont get billed. Im pretty sure my parents couldnt get away with a "free hospital" visit.

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Posted November 13 2007 - 09:58 AM

Everyone that goes to the hospital gets charged. It does not mean that everyone pays. If you are in the system they can report it on your credit report. If not I guess there is nothing they can do. I guess the point is it is not just illegals that do it. And I wonder how many illegals actually do do it.

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Posted November 13 2007 - 02:53 PM

Also, most counties owned hospitals are required by law as you said to provide a certain amount of care. In cases where say it was a homeless person with no income, isn't expected to pay, but he/she is expected to sigh with certain county programs. And for anyone who ever had a fake I.D. so they could drink? Illegals can also get fake I.D. that's just one of the uses for Identity theft.
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Posted November 13 2007 - 03:32 PM

i mean if my parents pay taxes like every other "American" what's your whole point about us wasting "your" money. My parents have lived here for 20+ years,pay all their bills and are home owners. I'm sure there are poor americans who get free health care and cheat off the gov. buts thats all good because they have citizenship, right.

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Posted November 13 2007 - 04:52 PM

A system that gives free health care to some while denying it to others needs to be changed.
I think that free health for everyone is better than "kick out the freeloaders", which results in free health for none.

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Posted November 14 2007 - 09:06 PM

I would like to know how an "Illegal alien" is paying taxes much less three years worth of back Taxes .Because in order to do so would require a social security number ,and last i checked they dont give those out to illegals, so maybe a little bit of identity theft going on also?

#28 dilligaf

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Posted November 15 2007 - 02:36 AM

its easy, they get a tax id number and file just like othersit doesnt require a soc sec number in order to file taxes

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Posted November 18 2007 - 12:59 PM

I have a tax ID #, but it's for my business. Too get it I had to give my SSA#.
Recently a friend, who is a hospital administrator did a complete audit of employees and found 6 Maria Gomez's with the same SSA #'s working in the same hospital.
Not very much of watchdog system, eh ?
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#30 MikeE

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Posted November 18 2007 - 04:58 PM

Do all six Maria's do a good job? Show up on time? Would the hospital give better or worse care to the patients if 5 (or all) of the Maria's didn't work there?




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