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Discussion in 'Gurus' started by eydis, Jul 26, 2007.

  1. eydis

    eydis Member

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    have got some nice facts about the guy ( so called bagwhan, meaning god in sanskrit haha! not a small ego)
    -was really hypnosis, as a kid and youngster, all his family and village coudnt stand the man, because would try to hypnotise everybody constantly!
    -loved to try and control people, and experiment with them, very coldblooded, no empathy really, make experiments with groups of people and see how far he could control and brainwash them. Strong fasination but no feelings towards them
    -obsessed with death, would go to see people die, as often as he could, was like hobby in his youth he said, and saw that every male (human or animal)that died, ejaculated at the moment of death, and thinking that also females had orgasms (but not visible) and therefor >connexion death/sex
    (reading suchan interesting book!)
     
  2. xexon

    xexon Destroyer Of Worlds

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    I liked the Bhagwan quite alot. Was never a follower, but I used to watch him on TV here. About 6am, he had a program in one of the local channels. This is back when he had that ranch in Oregon.

    His book, "The Mustard Seed" is excellent reading. Especially for Christians as he gives his views on the bible.

    He was an enlightened man, but his followers pulled him down to their level and he crashed and burned.


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  3. niranjan

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    His discourses and books are brilliant , and he clearly has made a positive impact on the spiritual, intellectual and cultural literacy of the world.
     
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    Thank you. The avatar is Samurai X.
     
  5. darrellkitchen

    darrellkitchen Lifetime Supporter

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    Niranjan, please direct me to where you found this quote ...

    There are over 5000 teachings by Buddha, or so I've been told by the Abbot of the temple I am at, and not one that I have read has Buddha ever mentioned the word "Love". I'm almost positive that if he did it would be to identify the amount of craving one has for forms, feelings, perceptions, fabrications and consciousness ...

    Just curious ...



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  6. White Feather

    White Feather Senior Member

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    Supposedly many (monks) would spend time(s) reflecting and meditating on death. So why is that weird?

    As far as ejaculating goes, I hear that when people die they come, they piss, they fart, they shit, they burp, they sneeze, they cough, they throw up, all at the same time.
     
  7. eydis

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    i think he was an amazing person, but maybe not exactly as PURE as we wish he was.... people who spent years near him have said that he did have some amazing powers, and was telepatic.... but he he did not always use his powers in a good way, ok sure you could blame the evil people around him (Sheela for instance) who made him weak and greedy (remember the 93 rolls royces in oregon, "The BIG MUDDY"?)....
    the fact is, there were some really nasty things going on in the end, in oregon:

    censurship (sanyansins not allowed to go out of the ranch, letters opened to see that no critics get out of the ranch, controlled telephoned calls to the outside= they would listen to all your calls)

    the salmonella scandal: 700 people contaminated at a a salad bar, because of some osho people sprinkling salmonella on the sallad, (this was a test action to see if it woud work to make people sick in this way, because bagwan wanted to win the elections and to make sure that his opponents would loose, he would make many voters sick on election day, but this election thing never happened)

    they took loads of homeless people from other states, giving them shelter and food, in return they would have to vote for them.... the problem was, there was a lot instable people amongst those homeless, junkies, alcoholics, and there was a lot of dangerous, and aggresive reactions from them, making them really dangerous ... SO... it was decided that some valium like chemical would be mixed in the mached potatoes etc.... to keep them calm.... (they didnt know of course )
    the whole thing turn to a catastrophe, some homeless nearly died......

    drug runs were made by some members to bring lots of cash to the movement: kind of a mafia way, dont you think?

    In the end of his stay in oregon, bagwan, who had stopped since quite a while givin lectures (as he did in Pune), just hid from everybody, he lived in total seclusion in his luxury appartments looking all day at videos, this was his new passion. His was a big reader all his life, but in oregon he stopped reading and stopped meeting people....actualluy, he had become a total different person. a person that had know him for 10 yrs saw a glimpse of him, by accident, and was so shocked! he was just like an empty shell.....

    yes there was greediness, from quite a lot of people in the osho movement, including bagwan---- they would give extasy ( the drug) while having meetings with wealthy people who could be ready to make a donation (the drug would make them less critical)

    people would have to work for 12, 14 , 16 hours in hard, cold conditions in oregon, it was a totalitarian work camp in a way, and in some periods people not allowed to get out of the ranch for phone calls and sending letters.....

    bagwan was kind of a genius, specially in pune, amazing speeches....
    BUT! the whole osho movement was really very much money oriented, and they actually wanted to reach people WITH A LOT OF MONEY: this is a sad fact. when you mix spirituality and money, you get a very decandent vibe, and that is what happened.

    maney stinks, we need it, unfortunately, but the day anybady stats to SELL OUT, the universe will turn against you.... even towards bagwan....
     
  8. White Feather

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    And some say that the real OSho was killed and a look-alike took his place. His before and after pictures tend to give some credence to that theory.

    Once Osho was asked a question. He recessed and when he came back he said that it no longer made any difference. Something happened and his consciousness changed, imo. Just look at our own lives, where some moment comes and we change.

    Was Osho merely Enlightened or was he Self-Realised? He gave indications that he was self-realised. If so, how could be hope to understand his mind and actions? If he was merely Enlightened then he could have lost his Enlightenment, as supposedly others have, like Nietzche.
     
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    big fan of osho he wrote brilliant books. he had a masters degree in philosophy that he got in india. he might have been enlightened but not fully. i wonder how far he got spiritualy, he could of not been realized at all cause he did have a masters degree in philosophy and could of only had book knowledge and plenty of it.
     
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    ok, he was good in pune, but it you look at the facts, he totally got messed up later in oregon. why is it a crime to look with clarity when it comes to gurus, why do we always loo´k to the the positive sides, maybe the guy was not that good after all, yes he was a genius in india but why censor reality and LIE to ourselves and to others about his WHOLE life and personality.
     
  12. i0-techno

    i0-techno The Magnificent Dope

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    His life is his, take what you will from what he gave you, good bad or ugly, there is no reason to judge him, is that your purpose while you are here, to judge another being up to some idea of perfection that you your self have manifested?
     
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    There is a saying that, "no good tree bears bad fruit."

    Everywhere Osho went he was involved in violence, hurtfulness, greed and corruption.

    People will argue that that's because he was a revolutionary. Funny that so many others have changed the world (Martin Luther King for example), overcoming violence against them, and never being involved in scandal. Another way of saying this is "like attracts like." Impure teacher will attract impure and corrupted students.

    It's hard to say, but the Truth is in the eyes. Looking into Osho's eyes, I don't light- I see emptiness.

    I'd take anything Osho says as an interesting exposition to be considered, but certainly not automatically Truth.
     
  14. inthydreams911

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    Osho is brilliant. You have no idea his method because you have no idea of what it means to be enlightened. He will break your ego, he will smash it right in half. All your beliefs, all your prejudice, all your ideas on what is god, all your views of what is saintly and what is sinful, they will all be smashed with Osho's words.

    Osho only goal is to make you conscious, to make you awake, and one must get rid of one's ego to do this. Because the real truth of reality is more beautiful then you could ever imagine, any concept or idea you have about is imperfect, because the truth is completely beyond mind. The truth has to do with awareness, with consciousness, experience, and nothing to do with mind. By that act of thinking you are blocking out what is actually there.

    When you look upon a beautiful landscape or a sunset you are not thinking, you are just watching, you are only aware, if you are thinking of how it looks you can not be totally watching how it looks. One must do things totally to be fulfilled, one must be fully here, fully aware, this is osho's whole method.
     
  15. Bhaskar

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    He was a brilliant writer and he inspires me in that way. But I don't consider him a guru or even a teacher really. Just a good writer.
     
  16. inthydreams911

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    He is defiantly an enlightened guru. What he teaches is life itself, so it is difficult to see what he is saying unless you are in tune with life itself. The way Osho talks is a meditation in itself. His words move you to a point of silence. You can see in his eyes, just by the way hes looking, that he has a deep understanding of this life. His whole body language is like poetry, and there is no effort, it is just flowing from his spirit. You must be very open to recieve Osho's teachings.
     
  17. gdkumar

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    Hare Krishna!


    Originally from Bhaskar.......

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    He was a brilliant writer and he inspires me in that way. But I don't consider him a guru or even a teacher really. Just a good writer. "

    ;)

    If not a Guru, definitely he was a good teacher . Through his own life he taught us very clearly that preachers of his ideas are not to be taken as Gurus. :)

    Love,

    Kumar.
     
  18. darrellkitchen

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    Well ... this certainly raises a question!

    What is a Guru? (much as I hate to use Wiki.com references: A guru is one who is regarded as having great knowledge, wisdom and authority in a certain area, and who uses it to guide others (teacher).)

    What does the word Guru mean? (A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters. from Hindi guru "teacher, priest," from Skt. guru-s "one to be honored, teacher")

    Kumer, please elaborate on how he can be a teacher and not a Guru, given the context in which the word Guru is being used to represent Osho.

    Bhaskar, please elaborate more on what you mean by "brilliant writer" and how it differentiates from "one who is regarded as having great knowledge, wisdom and authority," or "an acknowledged and influential advocate".

    Edit: Excuse me for this edit. Bhaskar, I'm confused on your last post regarding this thread. "Brilliant writer" or "good writer". Isn't "brilliant" of a higher reference than "good"? Sorry kind sir. This reference of first "brilliant" then "good" is what confuses me.



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  19. gdkumar

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    Hare Krishna !

    Originally from Darrellkitchen.....

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    Hare Krishna!


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    He was a brilliant writer and he inspires me in that way. But I don't consider him a guru or even a teacher really. Just a good writer.


    ;)

    If not a Guru, definitely he was a good teacher . Through his own life he taught us very clearly that preachers of his ideas are not to be taken as Gurus. :)

    Love,

    Kumar.


    Well ... this certainly raises a question!

    What is a Guru? (much as I hate to use Wiki.com references: A guru is one who is regarded as having great knowledge, wisdom and authority in a certain area, and who uses it to guide others (teacher).)

    What does the word Guru mean? (A teacher and guide in spiritual and philosophical matters. from Hindi guru "teacher, priest," from Skt. guru-s "one to be honored, teacher")

    Kumer, please elaborate on how he can be a teacher and not a Guru, given the context in which the word Guru is being used to represent Osho.

    Bhaskar, please elaborate more on what you mean by "brilliant writer" and how it differentiates from "one who is regarded as having great knowledge, wisdom and authority," or "an acknowledged and influential advocate".

    Edit: Excuse me for this edit. Bhaskar, I'm confused on your last post regarding this thread. "Brilliant writer" or "good writer". Isn't "brilliant" of a higher reference than "good"? Sorry kind sir. This reference of first "brilliant" then "good" is what confuses me.

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    Dear Darrellkitchen,

    Thanks a lot for your nice post.

    Many a time, in the past, I had thought of inter-acting with you but I never knew thus the first opportunity will come .

    First of all, immediately after my last post I realized that I did something wrong, which I rarely do, to criticise somebody who is highly regarded by so many of us. Hereby, I extend my unconditional apology to all who have been hurt.

    Regarding your question of 'teacher-guru' difference, you are right that teacher in simple sense means guru. In that sense, no matter who is teaching and what (Subject) is being taught.... the teacher can be undisputedly called a guru. But our point was a bit different. When we, in this forum, talk about a guru we try to connect and see him in the spiritual light. Then the difference between a Pundit and a self-realized yogi comes. In the spiritual world or spiritually speaking, He is a Guru or Sad-guru who has attained self-realization. One such Guru can be totally illiterate still he possesses the knowledge of the whole Universe. Spiritually speaking all Gurus are pundits but all pundits are not Gurus. Anybody, by his vast book knowledge, can appear to be a great Guru which may eventually lead us to despair and frustration.

    I am sorry and sincerely apologize again to all Osho-believers.

    Love,

    Kumar.
     
  20. Bhaskar

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    Im surprised to find you, darrell of all people, obsessing so much over words. Good, brilliant, wonderful, talented, whatever. You get the point. Or at least, you would if you stopped overthinking my every word.

    I think he is wonderful as a writer, his words inspire me and give me a lot of joy. I don't agree or accept about 50% of what he says. But I like how he says it. A brilliant writer does not have to be right, or true, or anything. He just has to be good at expressing himself. Again this is as far as I am concerned. You may see it differently and that's cool.

    And when I say I don't consider him a guru or a teacher, I mean from my standpoint. He is not MY guru, or MY teacher. He is to a lot of people and more power to them.

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