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#1 otb01

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Posted May 21 2007 - 06:49 PM

I am posting this hoping that it gets stickied because the question of "What can I buy at the grocery/drug store that can get me high?"

READ THIS FIRST:
1. OTC drugs will often contain other chemicals which can be severely damaging to your body.
2. Legal highs are still very dangerous. Most can KILL or SEVERELY DAMAGE you.
3. Never approach any of these substances without doing thorough research and fully preparing yourself for what might happen.
4. Buying large quantities of any of the below is illegal in some states and may put you on the wrong people's watch-lists. Know the law.
5. I am not responsible for any damages incurred or inflicted by the actions of the readers of this thread. You are completely responsible for your own actions and by continuing reading after this point you are waiving your right to pursue the author for any damages incurred.

I. OTC Drugs
A. Dextromethorphan (DXM) (Oral)

1. Common Brand Names: Robitussin, Coricidin
2. "Street" Names: Robo-tripping, Tussin, Triple-C's
3. Contradictions: MAOIs, SSRIs, Depressants
4. Warnings:

a. DXM-containing medications often contain other medications such as Acetaminophen (Tylenol) which can permanently damage your liver or other parts of your body which can be fatal. Never attempt to use these products.
b. DXM is habit forming. Common use can lead to addiction.
c. DXM can cause nausea and itching.
d. DXM has been shakily linked to lesioning in the brain.
e. Binders and additives in DXM-containing medications can often be hard on the kidneys.

5. Dosage

B. Dimenhydrinate (Oral)

1. Common Brand Names: Dramamine, Gravol
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: (Unknown at this time)
4. Warnings:

a. Dosing is very tentative and has not been officially addressed at Erowid.
b. Many may have very real and very scary paranoia driven hallucinations.
c. Is a deliriant which can produce effects similar to schizophrenia. (Thanks, Geneity)

5. Dosage: Between 400 mg and 900 mg (According to trip reports and Wikipedia)

C. Diphenhydramine (Oral)

1. Common Brand Names: Benadryl
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: Hypersensitivity to the main ingredient
4. Warnings:

a. Diphenhydramine-containing medications often contain other medications such as Acetaminophen (Tylenol) which can permanently damage your liver or other parts of your body which can be fatal. Never attempt to use these products.
b. Diphenhydramine can be toxic and has many side effects.
c.
Is a deliriant which can produce effects similar to schizophrenia. (Thanks, Geneity)

5. Dosage

D. Caffeine (Oral/Insufflated/Smoked*)
(* While one trip report indicates the use of caffeine smoked, it is not recommended because the report in question mentions that threshold (oral) doses when smoked can take the same effect as heavy oral doses)

1. Common Brand Names: No-Doz, Various generic names
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradiction: Hypersensitivity to the main ingredient
4. Warnings:

a. When one decides to insufflate caffeine, pills with hard coatings (often labeled as containing silicone dioxide) should not be used.
b. Caffeine in large doses and in daily use is habit forming.
c. Insufflation of caffeine is particularly dangerous when one decides to use large doses rapidly. People seeking to insufflate caffeine should keep dosage at under 200 mg within short periods of time.
d. As with any drug, overdose of caffeine can lead to severe complications and death.

5. Dosage

E. Propylhexedrine (Oral) (Thanks, Daedalus)

1. Common Brand Names: Benzedrex
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: (Unknown at this time)
4. Warnings:

a. Extensive/extreme use can cause sleep deprivation psychosis and paranoia.
b. Eating the cotton from an inhaler is not healthy due to the body's general inability to digest cotton.
c. Propylhexedrine is a vasoconstrictor

5. Dosage: 250 mg - 500 mg (Higher dosages have not been researched)

F. Doxylamine (Oral) (Thanks, Geneity)

1. Brand Names: NyQuil, Somnil, Donormyl, DSozile, Restavit
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: (Unknown at this time)
4. Warnings:

a. Is a deliriant which can produce effects similar to schizophrenia. (Thanks, Geneity)
b. Dosage is tentative
c. Doxylamine can often be mixed with other medications in OTC preparations which can damage you.

5. Dosage: 50 mg - 150 mg

II. Grocery/Food Items
A. Nutmeg (Oral/Smoked*)
(* While there is anecdotal evidence of smoked nutmeg, I have not fully researched it. Smoking of nutmeg is not recommended)

1. Common Brand Names: Varies. Often sold under various spice labels.
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: Some have reported contradictions with MAOIs, however, this is not confirmed.
4. Warnings:

a. Nutmeg is long lasting.
b. Many find nutmeg to produce unpleasant effects.
c. Nutmeg use requires large doses to achieve it's properties
d. Dosages of nutmeg are tentative

5. Dosage: Varies. Please do research first. Dosage often depends on body weight and tolerance.

B. Sage (Smoked)

1. Common Brand Names: Varies. Often sold under various spice labels.
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: (Unknown at this time)
4. Warnings: (Unknown at this time)
5. Dosage: Varies. Please do research first. Dosage often depends on body weight and tolerance.

C. Areca/Betel (Chewed)

1. Common Brand Names: (Nut) Rajnighanda, Pan Parag, Crane. (Leaf) Calcuta Metha Pan.
2. "Street" Names: (Not slang, but common) (Nut) Paan Masala, (Leaf) Paan, Metha Paan, Tumbako Paan
3. Contradictions: Hypersensitivity to the main ingredient
4. Warnings:

a. Frequent paan chewing is cancer-causing
b. Paan chewing can black and harden gums
c. Paan chewed with tobacco synergizes the cancerous effects of the two substances
d. Some may have hypersensitivity to arecoline and may experience chest pains

5. Dosage: (Nut) Lower lip full, repeated if needed. (Leaf) 1/2 - 2 wrapped leaves or packages depending on volume.

D. Catnip (Smoked)

1. Common Brand Names: Varies. Often sold at pet stores.
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: (Unknown at this time)
4. Warnings: (Unknown at this time)
5. Dosage: Varies. Please do research first. Dosage often depends on body weight and tolerance.

E. Bay Leaves (Smoked)

1. Common Brand Names: N/A
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: Standing up while smoking larger doses
4. Warnings: Can have harsh smoke depending on preparation
5. Dosage: Varies. Please do research first. Dosage often depends on body weight and tolerance.

F. Yohimbe (Oral)

1. Common Brand Names: Often sold in delis and bodegas under generic vitamin labels in small, sealed cellophane bags.
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: Use with other vasodilators.
4. Warnings: Overdose can cause rapid heart rate and high blood pressure.
5. Dosage: Varies. Please do research first. Dosage often depends on body weight and tolerance.

III. Inhalants (Thanks Geneity, for topic suggestion)
(Note from the author: Please, please, please don't do inhalants. They can and often do permanently damage you. See health effects of nitrous oxide.)
A. Nitrous Oxide (Inhaled)

1. Common Brand Names: Varies. Often contained as propellant used for dispensing or sold at sex shops.
2. "Street" Names: Nitrous, N2O, Hippy Crack, Cartridges
3. Contradictions: Use while standing
4. Warnings:

a. Nitrous oxide is often confused with nitric oxide which is heavily toxic.
b. Nitrous oxide, when used alone, causes oxygen deprivation.
c. Use of nitrous oxide can cause brain damage.
d. Heavy use can cause vitamin B12 depletion.
e. When delivered from a container under pressure, the gas can be extremely cold. Erowid recommends that users allow the gas to warm in a balloon with oxygen before inhalation.
f. Dosage of nitrous oxide is tentative.

5. Dosage: Tentative

B. Carbon Dioxide (Inhaled)

1. Common Brand Names: Varies. Often produced by carbonated beverages when agitated and often canned in canisters for home-making seltzer-water.
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: Use while standing
4. Warnings

a. Warnings regarding brain damage are similar with those of nitrous oxide.
b. Dosage of carbon dioxide is tentative.

5. Dosage: Tentative

C. Industrial Chemicals (Inhaled)

1. Common Brand Names: These include various glues, paint thinners and even fuels.
2. "Street" Names: Huffing, Sniffing
3. Contradictions: Use while standing
4. Warnings

a. Inhaling vapors of poisonous substances is extremely dangerous. In my honest opinion, you should never huff something you would be afraid to drink.
b. Warnings regarding brain damage are similar with those of nitrous oxide.
c. Dosage of industrial chemicals is tentative.

5. Dosage: Tentative

IV. Plants
A. Morning Glory (Oral) (Thanks, Four Winds)

1. Common Brand Names: Burpee (Brand name, available at wal-mart)
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: (Unkown at this time)
4. Warnings:

a. Some seeds may contain coating. Check the label and the seeds before ingestion. Although the coating is most often only seen on Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds, this is a good precaution.
b. Morning glory seeds contain LSA which is a Schedule III chemical. Use of LSA seeds for psychoactive effects as well as the extraction/sale of LSA is illegal.
c. LSA has been described to have sedative effects. Do not expect LSA to be exactly like LSD.
d. May experience nausea and proceed to throw up when using LSA. Many prefer to use an extraction process.

5. Dosage

B. Coleus (Smoked, Chewed)

1. Common Brand Names: N/A
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: (Unknown at this time)
4. Warnings: Only certain coleus plants are smokable for an effect. Research on erowid's vault and associated experience reports can help you determine which species is correct for psychoactive use.
5. Dosage: Varies. Please do research first. Dosage often depends on body weight and tolerance.

C. Poppy Seeds (Oral) (Thanks, Eugene)

1. Common Brand Names: N/A
2. "Street" Names: (Unknown at this time)
3. Contradictions: Contradictions usually associated with the use of opiates are associated with poppy seed use.
4. Warnings: All batches should be tested from 1/3 and 1/2 the dosage before proceeding to a full dose.
5. Dosage: ~1 lb

D. Cacti (Oral) (Thanks, Eugene)

1. Common Brand Names: San Pedro, Peruvian Torch
2. "Street" Names: Mescaline Cacti
3. Contradictions: (Unknown at this time)
4. Warnings:

a. Can cause nausea.
b. The legal status of cacti is ambiguous, however, extraction of mescaline from the cacti is, without question, highly illegal.

5. Dosage

If anyone has additions/corrections please respond to this thread. However, if you wish to respond to this thread simply bashing myself or people who may refer to this thread, please don't reply because you are simply wasting both my time and other reader's time. Thank you.

P.S.: Dear mods, if this should be in a better forum please move it for me.

#2 Geneity

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Posted May 21 2007 - 07:08 PM

You forgot the entire 'Inhalents' category. Yes, it may be stupid to be doing those in the first place, but the guide may as well be complete.

Nitrous Oxide (Whipped Cream cans/Chargers) needs to be added, with a note that it is NOT an inhalant in the same sense as 'Inhalants'

Benadryl and Dramamine need to be noted that they are delirents at high doses, and are considered unpleasant by many. 'voluntary schizophrenia' comes to mind.

Nutmeg cannot be smoked to achieve effects. It's simply far too much material (15g's-30g's+)

Sage? I've never heard of it. Unless you;re talking of Salvia, which isn't OTC/Grocery Store stuff.


That's all I can think of so far. Good Start

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Posted May 22 2007 - 01:56 AM

I'll add all of that tonight. Nutmeg smoking is something that I have heard of. Also, it could be less material because chemicals tend to have lower smoked than oral doses. Yes, and from other members of this forum, sage appears to be a relaxant.

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Posted May 22 2007 - 08:14 AM

Nobody has brought up benzedrex in any of these forums that I've seen. So fuck it, I'm gona unleash it. Benzedrex is an inhaler only sold at walgreens from what I have seen. They have effects similar to adderall when eaten. This is done by removing the cotton rod from the inhaler, cutting it up, and swallowing it. Each cotton contains 250mg of propylhexedrine. You can also do a cold water extraction. A good dose is usually one or two inhalers. I didnt believe it when i read it either, and if you read my posts you'll see I'm a tweeker at heart, but they fucking work.

Warning: you will have lavender burps. Lots of them. They are not exactly pleasant.

Oh god what have i done . . .
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Posted May 22 2007 - 11:31 AM

Hahaha, this is sad...
"TURN ON. TUNE IN. DROP OUT."

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Posted May 22 2007 - 11:46 AM

Heh benzedrex? I didn't think anything OTC in the U.S. had anything containing something even slightly related to ephedrine in it anymore. =( dumb meth dealers. I have Adderall though, so I'm good, lol.

That's an interesting find though. 250mg's seems like a whole lot though. Must be a weak CNS.

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Posted May 22 2007 - 01:59 PM

Ok, I've edited it up. Thanks for the help, Geneity and Daedalus!

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Posted May 22 2007 - 03:15 PM

can you give a brief 1 or 2 sentence description on each one decribing the high you will feel after taking

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Posted May 22 2007 - 03:19 PM


Oh god what have i done . . .


Yeah... what the hell were you thinking?

I can see it now; "DEA Targets Teens New Recreational Drug-Of-Choice!"

Meh. I dont really care for OTC highs much. Wouldn't like morning glory be considered an OTC high? I've purchased it at Wal-Mart before.
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Posted May 22 2007 - 03:26 PM

Four Winds, what kind of seeds did you buy? Do you have any advice on how to check for the coating?

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Posted May 22 2007 - 03:35 PM

I purchased several packets of 'Burpee' brand, Heavenly Blue, Morning Glory seeds.

The "coating" which I believe you are referring to is only found on Hawiian Baby Woodrose seeds (which, in essence are the same thing, but more powerful).

The seeds I purchased at Wal Mart were NOT treated with chemicals. If seeds are treated with chemicals, I'm pretty sure federal law requires it be listed on the packaging. So, make sure to check the packets to see if the seeds are chemically treated.

I dont know if you're familiar with Morning Glory, but there are several other brands available at Wal Mart that are, in essence, the same thing. Heavenly Blues, Pearly Gates, Flying Saucers, White Stars all contain basically the same LSA content. LSA (Lysergic Acid Amides) are the chemical compound that fucks you up in the seeds, it is loosely related to LSD (Lysergic Acid Diethylamide), but I've found it to be no-where near as potent.

If you want, go ahead and throw that shit up in the list.
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Posted May 22 2007 - 04:07 PM

Thanks man. I was thinking of it but decided to shy away at first. However, I put it up.

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Posted May 22 2007 - 04:15 PM

Cool.

You might want to add a note/warning on there about the terrible naseau associated with eating the seeds. A note about the LSA extraction process might help some people too.

LSA Extraction process here: http://www.clearwhit...Aextraction.htm
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Posted May 22 2007 - 04:44 PM

Sounds great. Do you think I should add amyl nitrite? It's not exactly OTC thou.

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Posted May 22 2007 - 04:58 PM

Sounds great. Do you think I should add amyl nitrite? It's not exactly OTC thou.


I'm not sure.

Isn't amyl nitrite the shit people huff? I dont recall ever hearing much about that, except that it can cure cyanide poisoning.
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Posted May 22 2007 - 05:28 PM

Well, yeah. A lot of gay people used it too because they thought it was a sexual enhancer. It is a vasodialator thou... Could increase blood flow to the penis. *pulls mind out of gutter*

Well, yeah. It was supposed to cause an "euphoric rush" or something like that. I don't know if it's still sold like this but I remember porn shops used to sell it as a "room oderizer" (or so I've heard).

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Posted May 22 2007 - 06:27 PM

Amyl Nitrite isn't really over the counter. It's only sold in sex shops usually. It's sale is strictly controlled and I think it's illegal in the U.S. now anyway.

Ethyl Ether should have it's own thing. That and Nitrous are not nearly as dangerous as other inhalants.

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Posted May 22 2007 - 06:43 PM

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Posted May 23 2007 - 01:00 PM

Well, the thing about nitrous is that it still is very dangerous. That's why I included those notes.

How is ether OTC?

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Posted May 23 2007 - 04:59 PM

Oh true, Ether really isn't OTC anymore. It's in starter fluid but thats not pure after extraction I hear.

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Posted May 23 2007 - 05:19 PM

Hmmm... I was tempted to put tobacco on there because some of the native americans smoked tons of it to get major effects but theres very little un-tampered-with tobacco nowadays.

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Posted May 23 2007 - 06:02 PM

It's not considered OTC either. When I think OTC, I think of things teens of all ages could get easily. Medicines, fluids, and whatnot.

Here in New Jersey most places will card for anything from tobacco, to cough medicine, to even many solvents. I can't even buy cigarettes here and I'm 18. What the hell is that?

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Posted May 23 2007 - 06:40 PM

I live in NYC. Getting cigarettes in most neighborhoods is not a chore as long as you're not like 7 or something. There are exceptions. There is one neighborhood in Queens which is notorious for carding. They even card for lighters there. I mean, what the fuck man. LIGHTERS! That's just one part thou.

Wait, how can they not sell you cigs if you are 18?

By the way, do OTC sleeping pills have effects? That might be a candidate for the list.

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Posted May 23 2007 - 07:06 PM

well OTC sleeping pills are usually Diphenhydramine or Doxylamine Succinate. I'm not sure if the latter has any recreational value.

The age for like anything slightly psychoactive here is 19. It sucks.

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Posted May 24 2007 - 08:17 AM

NItrous and Morning Glories are the only ones worth mentioning...ive never done morning glories, but i have a sweet tooth for nitrous cartridges

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Posted May 24 2007 - 02:54 PM

...and for the record Doxylamine Succinate has the same effects as Diphenhydramine as far as I'm concerned. It's a delierient.

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Posted May 24 2007 - 04:08 PM

Hmmm. I haven't looked into it yet. Erowid pharms doesnt have doxylamine... Care to cite a source? I appreciate your help.

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Posted May 24 2007 - 04:37 PM

Im not sure of a source, but hes right. They're both the same type of substance, the whole antihistamine/otc sleep aid in 2x the dose as used as an antihistamine. Im pretty stoned so thats not the best explanation, but its the best i can manage at the moment . . .
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Posted May 24 2007 - 05:03 PM

that list is awful.

you should put up more legal "highs"... like HBWR, kratom, sinicuichi, spice, kanna, dagga, pedicularis, amyl nitrate, salvia, BZP, sassafrass, kava-kava, Valerian, hops, catnip, (alpha) asaron, antihistamines (as a general catagory and include the ones already mentioned). You should post warnings on deliriants, and mention that nutmeg has some deliriant characteristics and is extremely dangerous as well.

If you include sage, you should include sassafrass, kava-kava, valerian, hops and catnip. Those are all OTC. Kratom, kanna, salvia, and many others up there aren't as easy to get without going to a local headshop/botanical shop.

You need a more severe warning to go along with paint thinners as well. They cause noticeable brain damage.

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fuck that shit man...when i was 15 i ate a whole marijuana plant and stayed high for 10 days! ha..

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Posted May 24 2007 - 06:29 PM

that list is awful.

you should put up more legal "highs"... like HBWR, kratom, sinicuichi, spice, kanna, dagga, pedicularis, amyl nitrate, salvia, BZP, sassafrass, kava-kava, Valerian, hops, catnip, (alpha) asaron, antihistamines (as a general catagory and include the ones already mentioned). You should post warnings on deliriants, and mention that nutmeg has some deliriant characteristics and is extremely dangerous as well.

If you include sage, you should include sassafrass, kava-kava, valerian, hops and catnip. Those are all OTC. Kratom, kanna, salvia, and many others up there aren't as easy to get without going to a local headshop/botanical shop.

You need a more severe warning to go along with paint thinners as well. They cause noticeable brain damage.

kratom, sinicuichi, kanna, dagga, etc: NOT OTC. read the title
catnip is there. antihistimenes are there.
since when was kava kava otc?