fake child porn

well said.

 

This very thread describes the exploitation of children. Should it be suppressed?

 

Well said Shugs

 

Try china ,north korea, vietnam and
Africa.

 

my favorite tv show in the entire world is Law and Order SVU. last night they had an episode that dealt with this very issue. a convicted child molester was on chemical castration, but some website with "fake kiddie porn" emailed him all these invites. so the guy starts checkin the pics out thinking "these girls are older than they look" and then one day he kidnapped and raped and killed a little girl again. and his main reason was "the porn made me think about it... made me want to do it." i know its just a tv show, but it does still give some credit to the idea that this is wrong no matter what.

 

I spent several years as a RN taking care of court-committed people who had done terrible things. Anything can set them off. I talked to a man who believed that if you could see women's panty lines that meant that they were "the whore of Babylon" so they should be killed. If you are going to get rid of the source material for psychotic criminals, you are going to have to burn the Bible first. You are trying to see a mentally ill person through your worldview. You think - OK I see a KFC commercial on TV and it makes me want to go out and get some chicken. Mental illness does not follow that kind of logic. In addition, in the process of trying to fight it that way you are censoring things and I will hold to my last breathe the idea that any censorship is wrong. I do not care how gross the material is you cannot burn it. Ever! Never!

 

What is pornography? This is my first question, because I have seen pictures of young children (birth-prepubescent) in the nude that were quite beautiful, and I have actually heard people describe them as pornographic. To me, a picture must be sexual in an unnatural way to be pornographic. A picture, for example, of a 7 year old, sprawled out asleep on her bed, nude or partially nude or fully clothed, is not pornographic, it is natural. But a picture of a 7 yr old with a sex toy, or engaged in any form of intercourse is pornographic, because it's not natural for a child that young.

Will a pedophile fantasize over any picture of a naked child? Yeah. But a pedophile will also walk into Wal-mart, walk through the children's clothing, and fantasize. My child's photo, printed in the paper in connection with a contest he recently won, could right now be fodder for the sick imagination of a pedophile. Does that scare me? Hell yes. But short of never letting anything to do with children ever be anywhere in the public eye, and probably not even then, you can't stop a pedophile from fantasizing. All we as a society can do is to try to stop them from actually hurting a child.

The original question was about computer generated child pornography. I don't think it is a good idea, but not because of pedophiles. My issue is about children. Children are naturally sexually curious, to a degree, and they should be encouraged to explore at their own pace. A child can see pornography involving adults, and be confused and maybe scared, but a caring adult can usually calm them by explaining that these are things that adults do, and that when they grow up, they'll understand better. A child will accept this, like they learn to accept all the many other things that they can't do until they grow up. But if they see what appears to be other children doing those same things, they are less likely to accept that it's not something they should do. Need an example? My 7 year old son lives with 2 parents who smoke. Most of our friends smoke. We always told him that when he grows up, if he wants to smoke, he can. He never once picked up a cigarette. He watched 1 movie where a group of kids stole a pack of cigarettes and were smoking them, and I caught him the next morning trying to light up. When I confronted him about it, he said, "You said that kids don't smoke, but the kids on TV were."

That said, while I think it is a bad idea, I will never support the censorship of computer generated child pornography. Nor of books, drawings, or anything else on the subject (or any other subject) where no one was actually harmed by their making. Censorship is not the answer. We as people have the right to enjoy what we choose, so long as we don't harm others, but we also have the responsibility to defend that right, and the rights of others to do the same, whether we like what they enjoy or not.

 

Well thought out and quite well said. I wish I had expressed myself as clearly.

 

i agree with you nick it is defintley feeding thier habit

 

are you american?

 

Let me speak for a moment since I consider diamonds to be a friend here and feel that I should at least "fill in the blank", if you will. I know what you mean and trying to get at, paint, but it's the US GOVERNMENT that feeds its public such poorly-researched BS and, of course, TV production companies go along with it. It is NOT NECESSARILY its citizens' fault because they may have no way of finding out the accurate information(aka: truth). Hell, as it is, defining(or RE-defining) things like pedophilia and child molestation is impossible due to the current laws more or less prohibiting further research on this issue.

I mean, an American program with a name like "Law and Order" may get a "raising-an-eyebrow" sort of reaction from a large number of non-Americans(and some Americans, lol), especially when it ISN'T a political satire mocking how unjust the US judicial sysems can be at times. Then again, if, and when, the accurate information is filtered by society, media, and above all, government, it is rather hard for one to, for the lack of a better word, "unlearn" what one has already learned. And of course, things like "Law and Order" are very effective in keeping the general public "in check", so to speak, without their being aware of the propaganda being woven into such programs. One of the reasons for this is because many people find such programs to be quite ENTERTAINING.

So I know what you're trying to say, paint. I believe we DO both agree on a lot of things we say regarding this particular issue. But I also understand where diamonds is coming from as well. AND, for that matter, I DO understand where people like Shugga are coming from, too. It's just that I don't agree with them, and some of those people are doing the quantum leap thing and consider people like me as "disturbed individuals" just because I, as well as a few others, think differently than they do.

 

Do you feel that your sig is feeding the habit of people who want to molest very slim women? Kiddy Porn people collect underwear ads from catalogs. Once you start restricting the right of people to publish or post what they please where do you intend to stop. This is Sunday there are some of my good countrymen and women meeting at the Sothern Baptist Church who would vote in a heartbeat to have your sig removed from the internet were "decent people" and "children" might look at it.

 

IN MEMORIAM - WACO, TX
APRIL 19, 1993

<B>Allegations (an important word) against Mr. Koresh were sensationalized to excuse the massacre of at least 86 members of his religious congregation. These peoples' closest neighbors, farming families, never feared them or considered them troublesome.

Many persons seem to believe that these religious persons were behaving illegally. Precisely what laws were these men, women and children violating? Do you really understand how important both probable cause and due process are to us all?

The killing was deliberate and savage. The murder scene was bulldozed before any evidence could be examined. I recently read an article run by the national press referring to "the botched Waco raid." One thing is certain: the Waco raid was far from "botched." The word "raid" made me think back to my college days of the "panty raids" held by idiotic pampered young fraternity men on campus.

The Waco raid was waged by firing guns from helicopters directly into the home and headquarters of a religious congregation. A lethally toxic gas was used on these men, women and children. Armored tanks were accompanied by BATF assault troops with automatic weapons. U.S. Government agents arrived equipped with weapons to kill, which they used. It is as simple as that.

The following is a partial list of those murdered on April 19, 1993 by employees of the government of the United States of America and financed by taxpayers:

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Katherin Andrade, 24
Jennifer Andrade, 19

Aldrick Bennett, 35
Susan Benta, 31
Mary Jean Borst, 49
Pablo Cohen, 38

Yvette Fagan, 34
Doris Fagan, 60

Lisa Marie Farris, 26
Ray Friesen, 76
Dayland Gent, 3

Diana Henry, 28
Paulina Henry, 24
Phillip Henry, 22
Stephen Henry, 26
Vanessa Henry, 19
Zilla Henry, 55

Novellette Hipsman, 36
Floyd Houtman, 61

Cyrus Howell, 8
Rachel Howell, 23
Star Howell, 6

Sherri Lynn Jewell, 43

David Michael Jones, 38
Michelle Jones, 18
Serenity Sea Jones, 4

Bobbie Lane Koresh, 16 months
David Koresh, 33

Jeffery Little, 31
Nicole Elizabeth Gent Little, 24

Livingston Malcolm, 26

Douglas Wayne Martin, 42
Lisa Martin, 13
Sheila Martin, 15

Abigail Martinez, 11
Audrey Martinez, 13
Juliete Santoyo Martinez, 30
Crystal Martinez, 3
Isiah Martinez, 4
Joseph Martinez, 30

Jillane Matthews
Alison Bernadette Monbelly, 31

Melissa Morrison, 6
Rosemary Morrison, 29

Sonia Murray, 29
Theresa Noberega, 48
James Riddle, 32
Rebecca Saipaia, 24

Judy Schneider, 41
Mayanah Schneider, 2
Steve Schneider, 48

Laraine B. Silva, 40

Floracita Sonobe, 34
Scott Kojiro Sonobe, 35

Aisha Gyarfas Summers, 17
Gregory Allen Summers, 28
Startle Summers, 1

Hollywood Sylvia
Lorraine Sylvia, 40
Rachel Sylvia, 13

Doris Vaega
Margarida Joanna Vaega, 47
Neal Vaega, 37

Martin Wayne, 20
Mark H. Wendell

Stan Sylvia (a sect member) pretty well summed it up. He said, "Let's examine what really happened here...Whatever you think of us, it doesn't give anybody a right to come and and kill helpless women and children."

It is preposterous that so many people in the United States are quick to want to believe that "they had it coming to them" or to believe the murderers' stories that this group killed their children and themselves.

It now looks as if no one will ever be held accountable. In fact, surviving defenders and victims are being prosecuted, at law, by the government.

The murders at Waco were not the action of one or more disaffected individuals. They were carried out by "the authorities", sanctioned at the highest levels of government, and financed by U.S. taxpayers.

WACO MUST BE REMEMBERED until major changes occur.

You can get the picture of what really happened — unless you have an emotional patriotic need to believe the lies of an increasingly out-of-control criminal government:

• The Unwarranted Warrant: The Waco Search Warrant and the Decline of the Fourth Amendment.
  
• Cato Institute Analysis
  
• Evidence Waco fire intentionally started by U.S. government
  
• i2i.org/SuptDocs/Waco/CanSoldiersBePeaceOfficers.htm
  
• carolmoore.net/waco/
  
• www.bigeye.com/pentwaco.htm

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</B>

 

Why the Waco Holocaust Matters

Jennifer Andrade, age 21 at death.Melissa Morrison, age 6 at death.Among those who died during the Waco Holocaust.
When barbarities are practiced by a government, civilized people must stand up and say STOP! lest the whole society be consumed by barbarism. Over the cornice of the US Supreme Court these words are etched:

Equal Justice Under Law

To fair-minded Americans, those words apply to both the Branch Davidians and their murderers.



As a society, we do not let murderers go free, for experience shows they will murder again. Under a system of equal justice, when physical and circumstantial evidence indicates a person has committed a crime, he or she is indicted and brought before a jury. So it should be: one rule of law for all.

The American Revolution specifically rejected the concept of the Divine Right of Kings. The American revolutionaries believed that legitimate political power arose from each and every individual person, and was delegated by them to government. The government was to be a servant of the people. Under this system, servants of the people (the government) have no Divine Right to murder their employers (the citizens).

Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of liberty is nourished by the blood of tyrants and the blood of patriots. We citizens of the US will not be intimidated into silence or acquiescence. We are the inheritors of the American Revolution.

By this crime, the US government proclaimed itself to be the enemy of the people. When the executive branch of government turns to murdering the citizens, what redress do the citizens have? Who will arrest and try a murderous general, and who will arrest and try a murderous attorney general?

Congress could have taken a number of immediate remedial actions. It could have conducted an honest, vigorous investigation. It could have immediately reduced funding to the agencies involved by the amount spent. It could have disbanded the units involved, fired the personnel, and prohibited them evermore from federal benefits and employment. It could have impeached the military and civilian officials involved; it could have seen that a Special Prosecutor was appointed, and vigorous prosecutions conducted.

When the Congressional hearings on Waco took place in the summer of 1995, many Americans hoped that an honest investigation would be done. But Congress suppressed the evidence and became accessories to the crime.

For less evidence than you see on these pages, ordinary people are convicted and sentenced to death. After World War II, the Allies prosecuted defeated Germans for alleged crimes against German citizens. What hypocrisy makes the world community turn its face from the American crimes against the Branch Davidians?

Six years after the atrocity, not one of the murderers has been indicted. Americans no longer live under the rule of law. That is why Americans are arming themselves, to protect their families against the outlaws, whether the outlaws wear the uniforms of the US military or law enforcement.

Look at the evidence against the US military and law enforcement. We have documented their outrageous lies. We have the evidence of their murders. We have the autopsy reports, we have photos of the twisted bodies, of the tortured, gassed, mutilated, and burned. Righteous people of the world: Look! You are the jury. Look at our shame!

 

ok... first of all... i dont think i really understand what you're trying to get at paintitblack. yes, i am an american. and yes, Law and Order is on TV... thus its not all truth. BUt the idea is, even if it is on TV, there's still some truth to it. I'm not saying that because it happened on television it has happened in real life. I only mean that it very well could. Whether you agree with me or not, I believe in my heart that child porn, fake or real, is still grossly disturbing and needs to be stopped. The end.

Secondly, maybe its because I stopped after the listing of victims, but what exactly does David Koresh and the entire Waco fiasco have to do with this subject?

 

The Waco kids were molested by the U.S goverment.

 

uhh.... i'm sorry dude but i dont think so. get your facts straight. DAVID KORESH was the molester, not the government.

 

Bad news for you David was never found guilty of any molestation so they try the weapons bullshit on him.

 

Many people believe that David Koresh (or the Branch Davidians) were responsible for the deaths of the 74 men, women and children who died in the inferno at Waco on April 19, 1993. This is the story that the FBI put out. It is a lie. The guns they had were legal. The local sheriff investigated and found no basis for complaints against them. These were law-abiding American citizens, even if they thought differently to most other folks. They trusted the U.S. Constitution to ensure their political rights, but they were murdered by agents acting under the authority of the U.S. government. Read this page if you believe otherwise. If you still have doubts, get the video Rules of Engagement for visual evidence. Or read the book Armageddon in Waco. Or see the film Waco: A New Revelation. http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html

 

you know what? i'm in a bad mood. when i'm in a bad mood, I say things I shouldnt. So, i'm just going to shut up and remove myself from this argument. that is that. i'm not going to fight about Waco. its not even the subject of this thread.