fake child porn

Discussion in 'Love and Sex' started by tiki_god7, Dec 15, 2005.

  1. tiki_god7

    tiki_god7 Member

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    a friend of mine had a class in which they debated an issue about child porn...wanted to hear some of your thoughts on it:

    with all the advancements in computer generated images and what not some have developed child porn thats all computer generated; the generator said he did it because no pedo's can watch their child porn without the children...do you think people should be able to watch child porn if there are no real children in it? or is it just as bad?
     
  2. Nickmast

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    Just as bad because it is feeding their bad habit.
     
  3. nesta

    nesta Banned

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    pedophilia is a mental sickness, and the prognosis is almost always terrible. VERY VERY low success rates or advancements in treating it. do i think "artificial" child porn is inherently morally wrong? no, not moreso than any other porn. but what types of acts are we discussing, how young are we discussing, and what is the real issue here? is the issue that we dont want pedophiles looking at porn, or that we don't want pedophiles raping children?

    on the one hand, artificial kiddy porn would allow them something to fantasize over, something to watch/look at, something to tantalize them without actually hurting any children. on the other hand, it could be viewed as fueling the lust for children, and could in fact lead to increased rates of assault on children. people who watch gay porn are usually people who enjoy homosexual sex. people who watch domination/bondage porn are people who usually enjoy rough sex. people who watch straight porn like hetero sex. and people who like kiddy porn like sex with children. i dont personally think the pornography is the issue, i think the mindset of wanting to sleep with children is the issue. pornography is a side issue of that, and once the children are taken out of child pornography, i'd say that the issue of pornography should take a back burner to the issue of learning how to treat pedophilia.

    remember that none of this conversation relates simply to having sex with legal children, this is all relative to prepubescant kids. people are built to be attracted to each other once they're sexually maturing, and while sleeping with/creating porn with postpubescant but underage teens offers up it's own new host of moral and legal issues, it is not from a psychological standpoint "sick" or "abnormal." this issue is completely seperate from, say, having 18-20 year olds dress or make themselves up in a way that would suggest they're more along the lines of being 15-17 year olds.

    however, fake CHILD pornography is nothing new. sure the computer graphics may make it easier to make it look realistic, but do some searches on the word "hentai" and you'll find a LOT of anime porn. much of this "cartoon porn" is based around things people can't really depict legally or realistically with photographs or movies, such as children performing sex acts, rape, bestiality with monsters, incest, absolutely brutal bondage/torture situations all sorts of rather twisted stuff that is every bit as "wrong" as this computer generated version of it could be. it's relatively widespread, and yet as far as i know the advent of animated pornography has not seemed to link to a rise in violent sex crimes.
     
  4. daisymae

    daisymae Senior Member

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    If it looks real it would interfere with finding the real exploited children...too many wild goose chases. Real child porn would start getting mixed up in it, and the makers of it would strart claiming it was fake...
    I think it is just as sick.

    If it like that ridiculous japanimation cartoon child porn....the pedos probably wouldn't be interested in it.
     
  5. Beyond-the-Clouds

    Beyond-the-Clouds Senior Member

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    Yes, it should be allowed. I don't want no more laws around here. And I h8 how there's people these days that call everything different a mental illness.
     
  6. IronGoth

    IronGoth Newbie

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    Child porn, aside from being evidence of a crime and fodder for the brains of these sickos, is OFTEN used by pedos to diddle other kids.

    "See Jimmy? That boy in the magazine is doing it.... see? it's OK."

    Computer generated or no..... it shouldn't exist.
     
  7. Alternative_Thinker

    Alternative_Thinker Darth Mysterious

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    ((thought crime alert))

    Pretty soon, our mere THOUGHTS will potentially put us behind bars. Nobody is being hurt, nobody is doing the hurting, and yet people are trying to find a reason to punish. I'm sorry, but I find THAT to be more disgusting than the so-called "fake child porn".

    If you ask me, them "barely-legal schoolgirl" porn materials are just as guilty in the area of simulated child porn. And many guys dig that stuff. Why? Because they LOVE it. They love it because they DO have the SO-CALLED "pedophilic" tendencies, and the material is at least LEGAL. Trust me, if the legal age for those models were 12, people would still be buying that stuff. Why? Because it's LEGAL, and they can get away with it.

    I'm sorry, but I'm just sick of this "child porn this", "pedophile that", sort of attitude in the world today. What is important is that children are not harmed. If someone wants to create a so-called "fake child porn", I seriously don't see any harm in it. If they are denied of even SIMULATED stimulants, they really WILL go insane.
     
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  8. Beyond-the-Clouds

    Beyond-the-Clouds Senior Member

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    Yea, what that last guy said.
     
  9. Jorma's Branches

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    I would tend to think that paedofilia is a cultural offshoot of sexual freedom developing in our culture. I'm not blaming the free-lovers, I believe that repressed sexuality for so long finally produced more perverted views of sex. I also tend to believe that humanity is entering a new stage in evolution which could support theories of various forms of predation being earth's back-up for a population dramatically too large.
    I have no evidence to support my claims, it's just the general pond area I think in.
     
  10. Beyond-the-Clouds

    Beyond-the-Clouds Senior Member

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    Or maby it's cause young chicks look good.
     
  11. nesta

    nesta Banned

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    no, like i pointed out, that is NOT pedophilia. even when an 18+ year old girl is posed in such a manner as to make her appear younger (say in the ballpark of 15-17)...even if it was deliberately and intentionally done to create the appearance of a younger girl, it is NOT fake CHILD porn. CHILDREN are prepubescant, CHILDREN are not objects of sexual desire in almost any healthy and mentally sound people. once a girl or boy has reached puberty and begins to show signs of sexual maturity, it is natural and normal to be sexually attracted to them on some kind of level. when we're discussing CHILDREN (infants to very young teenage years) it's a different story entirely, whether its real children or images made to depict children that young.

    personally, no, i dont think it should be criminal to make or sell this stuff. its wrong, in my opinion, but i'm not in a place to say it should be banned outright when nobody is deliberately getting hurt. besides, computer graphics have gotten better in the past few years, but they still dont generally look real. i dont think anyones really getting off on pics of a titless lara croft getting tied up and fucked.

    at the same time, i think that while it may not be a "disease" or "sickness" in the pathological sense, pedophilia (again, targeting CHILDREN and not teens) is an untreatable mental state with no evidence of being changable. it seems to be as ingrained in a person's mind as sexual orientation or fetishes, and no amount of "treating" is likely to produce consistantly positive changes. this untreatable state of mind leads so often to such heinous and destructive actions that it MUST be treated as wrong. there's no such thing as a harmless baby raper. that said, i think that pornography does absolutely nothing to persuade or dissuade people from preying on children. there were pedophiles LONG before there was ANY pornography, let alone child porn. there always WILL be pedophiles, too. but child porn isn't the cause of pedophilia any more than gay porn is the cause of homosexuality. as long as no children are getting hurt or even TOUCHED OR SEEN in this material, i dont think there should be much the government can do to control it. i think that freedom of speech should cover it.

    what we need to combat is people hurting children, ignorance about the issue, and we need to struggle to find some adequate form of treatment which is as fair to everyone involved as possible AND which protects society at large from sex crimes, especially those committed against kids.
     
  12. wiggy

    wiggy Bitch

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    tikit_god are you being serious?


    Do you think its ok to watch child porn of any sort or something
     
  13. Alternative_Thinker

    Alternative_Thinker Darth Mysterious

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    See, I, as an anti-ageist, am proud to find young girls to be beautiful. I have many friends who are still in their teens, and I always tell them that they are beautiful and that they should be proud of themselves for being such wonderful people they are inside and out.

    However, even gestures like THAT, to some people, are signs of pedophilia. What is sickening is not what people refer to as "pedophilia" which I don't even believe exist at this point anyway, but the attitude that no "adult" can appreciate the youthful beauty without risking being branded a "child molester".

    I shudder to think just how many people have been wrongly accused of being child molesters and put into jail.
     
  14. wiggy

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    Damn i have read the whole thread now and there are some pretty sick people in this world and on this site
     
  15. nesta

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    i think you're missing the point. as i've pointed out SEVERAL times, we're NOT discussing people who "appreciate" the beauty of a teenage girl. we're talking about the sick fucks who get off on watching bound eight year olds getting violated, or who get off on VIOLATING such young people.

    the porn follows the preference. nobody here, afaik, is talking about webcam shots some 16 year old girl took nude for her boyfriend, we're talking about the trash that pedophiles get caught with. sexually explicit rape and torture and so on. this stuff DOES happen, and to claim that it doesnt exist is just plain ignorant.

    a friend of mine went to a juvenile corrections center once. the first person he met was in there for raping a 1 year old. he was NOT arrested for "appreciating the beauty of a young girl."

    my uncle just got out of jail for underage porn he claims to have not known was on his computer. there was a program (based in a part of europe with notoriously lax laws regarding child porn) on his computer that automatically dumped large amounts of pornography of all different sorts onto his computer from the internet. what he "didn't know" (i'm unsure what i think) was that there was such things as pics of elementary aged girls in S&M scenes. you still think child porn doesnt exist? you still think theres no such thing as a pedophile?

    this stuff is sick and it is real. i'm not saying anyone who is attracted to "younger" girls or who appreciates nude photos of teenagers is sick and demented, i'm saying that there ARE perverts out there, there IS child porn which is entirely different from the "barely legal" type stuff, and this stuff IS a major issue. i'm all for freedom of speech unless it ends in people getting hurt. until a pedophile hurts a child directly or indirectly (such as by supporting real life child porn) he should not be incarcerated simply for being sick, but he IS still fucking sick.
     
  16. Jorma's Branches

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    Before this thread continues:
    As Nesta has said like ten times:
    pedophilia involves the sexual predation of children, not teenage girls (that would be statutory rape most likely).
     
  17. Alternative_Thinker

    Alternative_Thinker Darth Mysterious

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    This is to nesta...

    Yes, I do see what you're saying, and I DO agree that we need to combat people who hurt children. We have that in common at least.

    The thing that we need to look into is HOW we came into categorizing the attraction to children as "pedophilia", and what it is exactly.... Or, what it ISN'T. Like I said in the earlier post, I don't even believe this thing called "pedophilia" even exist any more. The reason is because we were all once attracted to children(remember your primary school crushes?) anyway, and that even when we "grow out of" such a phase, we essentially should never forget how beautiful that "Christine", or "Melissa", or whatever her name was when you were little. Just because we've become "adults" doesn't mean children are all of the sudden some disgusting creatures.

    What I think IS a mental illness is "child molestation". I believe that stems from sadism, and sadism is basically when one is attracted to causing another suffer. See, there are a number of aspects that you can recognize here. One is, of course, the sadistic tendency. Another one is AGEISM. These individuals think that children are "weaker" being that can be manipulated and taken advantage of. So many children have been killed because of these sick individuals. They have no apreciation for young people, and they have no respect for them. That, to me, is muh more serious than merely finding children to be sexually attractive.

    As for the topic of porn, I still believe many men will get their hands on child porn if it was legal. As it is, it isn't legal, and many guys are afraid to even talk to young girls(even when they are in their teens) for the fear of being branded "pedophiles". Being an anti-ageist and having teen friends, I have experienced such accusations myself. But what is more dangerous is them ageist adults forcing kids to think they are less of people than "adults" are, completely disregard their wishes, and still have the guts to say they "protect" children.
     
  18. tigerlily

    tigerlily proud mama

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    i agree with this, and i've never thought hentai's crazy images should be made illegal, even if the actions depicted are.

    nesta, you made a few points about ppl watching certain porn because that's what they like to do?... but i know straight women who like to watch women fuck each other, and like to watch men fuck each other... it doesn't mean they're going to get a sex change or that they are actually going to go out and molest a grown woman. i know ppl who get a thrill out of watching scary murder movies but aren't going to go on a murder spree themselves, or would honestly want to be chased by a serial killer. how many women do you know have rape fantasies but would probably be severely traumatized if they actually were raped? anyway, i think your logic is a little skewed.

    just because somebody wants to SEE or fantasizes about something, doesn't mean they are actually going to PARTICIPATE. and i'm refering to pretend images, or those of consenting adults, here, so that any actors/cartoons/animals aren't being harmed in the process.

    there are a lot of issues with real live porn between adults (children aren't the only ones who can be taken advantage of), so honestly i think taking a more imaginative, animated look at it could be a good thing, because the chances of somebody being harmed are down to.. well, about zero. and more fantasies can be "lived out" through animation. there is so much more freedom for one's imagination through this medium.

    i'm not arguing with your stance on finding treatment for those with mental problems... i wish we could find cures for it, i'm sure it would make pedophiles' lives much easier if they could take a pill and be cured of their sexual attraction towards children. but don't mistake pedophilia with child molestation. people who rape others (children or not) don't do it because they want to have intimacy, they do it because they want control and power and choose not to (or can't) control those urges.

    blah, so to answer the first question, no i don't think it's wrong to create pretend images depicting child porn. my only beef would be if they were actually very real looking, and so would cause problems like those that daisymae was talking about.
     
  19. rmorgan

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    What do you guys think about fictional novels in which underage people have sex? Should those books be banned?
     
  20. Alternative_Thinker

    Alternative_Thinker Darth Mysterious

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    Cheers, tigerlily! *wipes tears*

    And rmorgan... You raise a great point. There are book by an auther, Nancy Friday, which talk about women's masturbatory fantasies, and these include childhood sexuality/fantasies. While some of them are fictional, some are also based on true accounts. I believe these book are banned in some places, but I have a couple of them, since I bought them in a country that didn't ban these enlightening books. And these THOUSANDS of women are saying they are turned on by these books and masturbate to them, so you gotta wonder if THEY are branded "pedophiles" too now.
     

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