hippies=cold-hearted closed-minded elitist assholes?

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  1. stranger

    stranger Member

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    almost every hippie i have met meets this descritpion. not all of them but a fair amount come somewhere very close to it. is this a common thing within hippies? if so, i think my time on these boards is going to be verrrry short-lived.
     
  2. Rain Foot

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    Over generalization isn't good either. How many have you met? You haven't met me yet. Nearly every grouping of people have their closed minded assholes.

    It also could be that those of us that aren't closed minded aren't as vocal cause we done feel we need to be..that or maybe we're all just closed minded about soemthing at times.

    Anyways, words to digest.
     
  3. FeelinGroovy

    FeelinGroovy opposable thumb

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    A lot depends on what criteria you use to lable someone as a "hippy". In my mind I would not label people like that as a "hippy", so to me, none of the hippies I know are like that!
     
  4. Lodui

    Lodui One Man Orgy

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    I'm not a hippie, but I am a cold-hearted, close-minded, elitist, asshole.

    Don't let the door hit your fat ass on the way out.
     
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  5. willowbaby89

    willowbaby89 Member

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    LMAO lodui :p
     
  6. stranger

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    your right. theres just some characters and trolls on here who are real pricks. for a while they were cute and i enjoyed it...but now they are just annoying and meaningless hassles to all who read them, as if people dont experience enough hassle and hardship in their earth life. but i realize now that they have never been the brighest people about alot of things and my perception on this was just a little slow to come around. now that i am a raw foodist and eating right again though i see right through them... i just need to figure out how to work the ignore feature and ill be set.
     
  7. Ocean Byrd

    Ocean Byrd Artificial Energy

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    None of the "hippies" I know are cold-hearted, or close-minded... or elitests... Some are assholes though; but, hey, everybody gets passionate about certain things. The "hippies" I know never gave me a hard time about coming out as being trans... so, you must just not know the right kind of people.
     
  8. Crayola

    Crayola =)

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    "hippy" is just another word forr weirdo. =)

    gget over it
     
  9. maybe your nomenclature is fucked, ever think of that?


    could it be your problem?


    oh no it's always someone elses fault........



    at least I'm a cold hearted elitist asshole, but I'm a beat more or less, except for the pot smoking.....
     
  10. Brand New Soul

    Brand New Soul Senior Member

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    LOL... well Im werid and Im not a hippy
     
  11. gdhmomchild

    gdhmomchild Duct tape abuser

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    Left click on their screen name on the left, go to their profile, add to ignore or buddy list *snap*
    You just described a faction that exists in every group of people. Good luck.
     
  12. NikkiLou6387

    NikkiLou6387 ~peace~

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    as much as i hate stereotypes, i'm actually going to respond to this. :O

    anyway, you probably misjudged these people as 'hippies'

    most of the people whom i've spoken to who could be considered hippies are more open minded than anyone else in the world. in fact, they are a living example of things people have to be close-minded about. examples include:
    gay, bisexual, transexual, nudist, environmentalist, vegetarian, vegan, drug user, drug abuser, activist, protester, muslim, buddhist, jewish, atheist, anarchist, liberal, independent, etc.

    as far as elitist, i can see that. in my opinion, my views are correct, and until you prove me wrong, you are wrong. that doesn't mean i hold anything against people with different beliefs. i just think that they're wrong.

    as far as cold hearted, i've never known a hippie to kill or harm anyone, or lead a country falsely into war. hippies, in my mind, are about peace and love. (and freedom!)

    so i'm thinking that maybe, you just have a different idea of what a hippie is...


    peace and love,
    nikki lou
     
  13. soaringeagle

    soaringeagle Senior Member

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    maybe your confusing close mindedness with being opinionated & having convictions?
    most hippies i know are extrememly warm hearted loving people, & very openminded, but also have strong opinions & convictions
    elitist assholes? no idea where that comes from since hippies genreraly welcomre everyone with open arms even if they strongly disagree with them
     
  14. Los_Pepes

    Los_Pepes Banned

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    Hippies eat shit and must die.



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  15. soaringeagle

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    well there ya go..hes odviosly cold hearted closeminded elitist asshole as u put it..but definately not a hippy

    but we tolerate you anyway
     
  16. mimosa

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    I am guessing los pepes is not a hippie. :)

    I don't really like labels anyway, everyone is an individual in my mind and that is a good thing. We don't all need to stand under an umbrella of sorts and try to fit someone's idea of who we should be. I like for everyone to just be who they are. If someone's an asshole, they can just be upfront about it and I can respect that.
     
  17. mimosa

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    I must say also, do not confuse hippies with frat boys, I have made that mistake myself. they can't help it, their forebears are raging neocons. I come from that state myself, so i understand it more than I would like to.
     
  18. soaringeagle

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    lol umbrela? arent they just silly things? when it rains its just time to get wet
    i think last time i was under an umbrela i was 5
     
  19. mimosa

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    lol to you too, it's rained here the last coupla mornings and I only use an umbrella for extreme sun, if even then!!! I love to get wet in the rain. My theory is, what am I, sugar and I'll melt? :D I'm not sweet enough. (is this a threadjack?)
     
  20. old tiger

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    The Politics and Culture of the 1960s Hippie Movement As the nineteen fifties turned intothe early sixties, the United States remained the same patriotic, harmonious society ofthe previous decade; often a teen's most difficult decision was choosing what colorlipstick to wear to the prom. Yet after 1963, a dramatic change slowly developed in thecultural, social, and political beliefs of America, particularly the youth. The death ofPresident Kennedy, the new music, the quest for civil rights, the popularity ofmind-altering drugs, the senselessness of the Vietnam War, and the invention of the birthcontrol pill reacted like an imbalanced chemical equation to formulate a new Americancounterculture: the hippie. Contrasting with ever-dominant mainstream society, the layedback hippie nobly tried to change the world not by force, but through peace and love.Though not entirely successful, the hippie movement clearly marked the mid- tolate-nineteen sixties and early seventies as a mixture of peace and brotherly love withsex, drugs, and rock and roll. The formal definition of a hippie is one who does notconform to social standards, advocating a liberal attitude and lifestyle. However, thetrue definition of a hippie in unclear; no interpretation could categorize every personwho fits into the ambiguous category of a hippie. According to Phoebe Thompson'sdefinition, being a hippie is a choice of philosophy. Hippies are generally antitheticalto structured hierarchies, such as church, government, and social castes. The ultimategoal of the hippie movement is peace, attainable only through love and toleration of theearth and each other. Finally, a hippie needs freedom, both physical freedom toexperience life and mental freeness to remain open-minded (12-13). In the view of somehistorians, thus, Thoreau and Ghandi were hippies, and hippies continue to exist today(25). Yet what unique qualities characterized the American hippies of the nineteensixties, and how did this movement gain enough power to influence millions of teenagers?The nineteen fifties was one of America's most prosperous (and dull) decades. Conformityand nationalism swept the nation; television sitcoms reinforced old-fashioned familyvalues; the typical teenager aspired for the all-American look and personality. Yet musichad already planted the seeds of rebellion; Rock and Roll began to sweep the nation. Kidswore leather jackets, violated curfews, and considered themselves rebels, though oddlywith no cause. The rebellion craze was epitomized by Marlon Brado's role in the film TheWild One. When asked: What are you rebelling against, he responded: Whatta you got? Themusic of Elvis and other rock bands caused the rebellion; all the teens needed was acause (Manning 32-34). The Vietnam War began as President Kennedy's effort to protect thefree world from Communism. Kennedy, a well-liked president, received little waropposition from the people. He was young and supported free-spiritedness,open-mindedness, and equality; at his assassination in 1963 only 15,000 troops were inVietnam. Under Lyndon Johnson the number of soldiers skyrocketed, however, reaching500,000 in 1966. Television broadcasts from overseas became more gruesome and the deathsmore tragic. The nightly news counted the dead and described compiling destruction, andmany political and literary figures began to speak out publicly against keeping US troopsin Vietnam (Harding 56-9). Though Johnson continually promised a swift end to the war,the Tet Offensive of 1968 finally proved otherwise. A surprise attack on Americansoldiers caused a significant loss of land and life; the Communists were apparentlynowhere near defeat (Buchholz 861)! Shiploads of American boys came too and from Vietnam,only too many of those returning home were riding in a coffin. The hippie movementgerminated in San Francisco, with the Vietnam War at its core. The movement eventuallyspread to the East Coast as well, centralized in New York's East Village in addition tothe Haight-Asbury district of San Francisco and Sunset Strip of Los Angeles (Buchholz858). Disgusted by conformity, culture, and politics, some hippies abandoned society tolive in isolated communes; by 1970 over 200 communes existed, maintaining 40,000 youths.However, many hippies also took a political stance against the war. The Vietnam Warconflicted directly with the hippie belief in peace and love, so the countercultureprotested the war throughout the nation. The flower children held love-ins to celebratetheir rights, spoke out publicly, formed protest groups with the slogan: Hell no, wewon't go!, burned flags, and tore up draft slips (858). To avoid the Vietnam draft, somepacifists took extraordinary measures. Many claimed insanity, lied about homosexuality,pretended to be physically unfit, or fled to Canada (19). Yet far too many peace-lovinghippies were sent to jail for refusing the draft call, maintaining their principles andintegrity (Gottlieb 55). Faced with family dejection, exile, arrest, and imprisonment,they nevertheless continued to stay firm to the opposition to that war (Tollefson 4).While the government drafted their brothers, the remaining hippies protest the war athome. Considering most hippies were under thirty, the greatest concentration of them wasin colleges throughout America. Protests began in Columbia University and BerkleyUniversity, California. A demonstration against Nixon's decision to invade Cambodia ledto violence at Kent State University; the National Guard killed four students. Finally,the University of Virginia, founded by America's forefather of freedom Thomas Jefferson,was raided by two hundred baton-waving policemen who arrested sixty-eight students(Thompson 66-8). The greatest expression of the hippie belief, whether pro-peace orpro-pot, was their music. Rock and roll was their voice. Led by Bob Dylan, the GratefulDead, Jefferson Airplane, and the Beatles, rock and folk music overtook the airwaves.(Manning 102) Bob Dylan used the lyrics of folk music to convey a social commentary andprotest. In a civil rights march in 1963, he sang the following lyrics: How many yearscan some people exist Before their allowed to be free? The answer, my friend, is blowin'in the wind The answer is blowin' in the wind (102) Folk artists did not sing simply tosound pleasant, but more importantly to convey a message. Most song lyrics addressed thewart or the civil rights movement, and the crowd would sing along in a chorus. Existingin harmony with folk music was rock, which adopted a style known as psychedelia, or mindexpansion. Rock's lyrics were less important, with the overall sound dominating as anexpression of the soul. And with many band members high on marijuana or LSD, hardcoreacid rock became a means of escaping the world-for both the band and the audience(102-103). The ultimate orgy of rock and folk music occurred at Woodstock in August of1969. Located in New York State, Woodstock the concert was a three-day long event inwhich 400,000 people got high, had sex, and listened to some very beautiful andpsychedelic music. The roster included some of the most famous rock bands on earth, aswell talented amateurs looking for a start. An attendee described it as: Three days oflove, peace, and rock! (Thompson 89). The concert epitomized the music and, indirectly,the hippie lifestyle of the sixties, and paved the way for the more diverse, drugged-upmusical style of the early seventies. Illicit drugs were a prominent influence on hippielifestyle and culture. By the mid-sixties, LSD and marijuana had overtaken Americaovernight. These hallucinogens were a social activity at least experimented with byvirtually every groovy teenager in America. Numerous books were written both condemningand justifying the new drug phenomena. Drug proponents referred to Native Americansreligious ceremony, spiritual and medical references in ancient texts, and AldousHuxley's book The Doors of Perception to defend their drug use. Eventually more toxicdrugs such as cocaine, heroin, barbiturates, and amphetamines followed, used forrecreation and often leading to fatal consequences. Drugs became incorporated into themusic industry as well; most musical artists used narcotics, often writing and performingsongs while high (Harding 29, 31). The hippies' social status as nonconformist, doped-upoutcasts was paralleled by their fashion and lifestyle. Devout hippies lived modestly incommunes and were strict vegetarians, respecting not only human but also animal rights.Modest living also applied to clothing. Hippies in the sixties did not consider fashionimportant enough to spend much time on, and on the contrary tried to look bad accordingto society's standards. Women dressed like peasants and wore psychedelic colors; makeupand perfume were almost sinful, and clothing was loose, comfortable, and unique (Michaels328). Bright, swirling patterns for both sexes paralleled the acid rock style of theirmusic. Both men and women grew long, unkempt hair and the men often grew beards as well.To outsiders, the hippies seemed dirty, drugged, and disrespectful to their elders; itwas exactly what they wanted (329). The hippie philosophy preached peace and toleration.Thus, they were supportive of all civil rights movements, supporting females, blacks,homosexuals, and foreigners on attaining rights and equal treatment. Hippie women wantedto be free. To relieve themselves of society's burdens, many stopped shaving their armand leg hairs. Further women's liberation came with the invention of the birth controlpill in 1960 and its perfection in 1963; women were finally sexually free. Femalephilosophy changed overnight; instead of waiting till marriage for intercourse, manywomen now making love to the first guy she saw. Dating virtually vanished; hippies hadsex first and got to know each other afterwards. With increased sexual freedom and thelack of widespread sexually transmitted diseases, promiscuous sex flourished during the1960s (Thompson 44). Having gained sexual freedom, women were now fighting for rightsoutside the bedroom. Betty Friedan forms The National Organization for Women (NOW) in1966 to gain women the same rights as men. Courses in women studies were instated atuniversities, men realized (as part of the hippie movement) that women should be treatedmore fairly, and efforts were made, unsuccessfully, to add an amendment to theConstitution to guarantee women's equality. Though mainstream women also participated inthese protests, both hippie men and women took an active role in ensuring equality forall (Buchholz 851-3). Another significant group, the black community, sought after itscivil rights during the 1960s. Numerous protests, both peaceful and violent, were held byblack Americans to end centuries of discrimination, branded upon them since theirancestors arrived four hundred years earlier. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm Xeloquently led the black protests, and most hippies enthusiastically participating inpeaceful demonstrations for black civil rights (854-7). The Age of the Hippies,fortunately or unfortunately, did not last forever. In the early 1970s, somewhere between'70 and '74, the entire movement died almost as abruptly as it had begun. To many theentire hippie movement was just a fad that was no longer in. The Vietnam War, the mainforce driving the social revolution, was concluding; an anti-war march on Washington andSan Francisco in 1971, accumulating over one million participants collectively, finallypersuaded the government to end the bloodshed. A protest sign read: The Majority is NotSilent. The Government is Deaf (Manning, 177-9). Yet there were other factors. Thehippies were getting too old to be hippies; almost all of the counterculture started withparticipants under thirty, yet those who began the movement had been in involved for tenyears. These were the baby boomers, and the next generation was no nearly as large toform its own youth society. Furthermore, the music had gotten drugged-out; the performerswere so stoned that their songs quickly became meaningless garble with no message. Andwhat message was there to preach without the War? Drugs had destroyed the lives of many,and after realizing the negative effects many hippies no longer admired drugs, but fearedthem. Worst of all, little had been accomplished-dreams of world peace had failed. TheHippie Revolution lasted ten years with participation around the world, from the USSR toGreat Britain. Yet they accomplished so little. The teens were tired of waiting (Thompson99-107). Women shaved their legs and piled on makeup. Men traded in their long hair andlove beads for a business suit. There were those who remained hippies and moved toisolated communes, but they were relatively few. Life essentially returned to the daysbefore the Hippie Revolution. In actuality, only a minority of the youth of the sixtiesactually entered the counterculture, but those who did left a lasting impression uponsociety, and most of all themselves (108). The hippie movement of the mid- andlate-nineteen sixties and the early nineteen seventies attempted to create a globalsociety founded upon love and peace. Through nonviolent protests the hippies helped endthe Vietnam War, gain black, women's, minority, and homosexual civil rights, and spreadfriendship and harmony around the globe. Not in vain, the era lives on through theirmusic, their peace sign, and their memories; Woodstock was even recreated in 1994. Thehippie influence is even prevalent in America's society of 1998, which still possesses ayouthful counterculture of sex, drugs, and rock and roll. BibliographyWorks Cited Buchholz, Ted, ed. The National Experience: A History of the United States.New York, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich College Publishers: 1993 Gottlieb, Sherry Gershon.Hell No, We Won't Go! New York, Viking: 1991. Harding, Ryan. The 1960s: Politics and Pot.New York, Anchor Book: 1992. Manning, Robert. The Vietnam Experience: A Nation Divided.Boston, Boston Publishing Company: 1984. Michaels, Lisa. Making a fashion statement.Glamour Magazine (May 1998). Thompson, Phoebe. The Flower Childern. New York, PrenticeHall: 1989 Tollefson, James W. The Strength Not to Fight. Boston, Little, Brown andCompany: 1993
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