Why so much support for Ron Paul when...

There's (or was) Dennis Kucinich, not only is he pro legalisation, he's also pro gun control, anti-war, pro immigration (at atleast not anti immigration) he's vegan, anti-factory farming, pro organic, pro same sex marraige. ...actually I'll just C+P from wikipedia:

• Creating a single-payer not-for-profit system of universal health care that provides full coverage for all Americans by passage of the United States National Health Insurance Act.
• The immediate, phased withdrawal of all U.S. forces from Iraq; replacing them with an international security force.
• Guaranteed quality education for all; including free pre-kindergarten and college for all who want it.
• Immediate withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
• Immediate repeal of the USA PATRIOT Act.
• Fostering a world of international cooperation.
• Abolishing the death penalty.
• Environmental renewal and clean energy.
• Preventing the privatization of social security.
• Providing full social security benefits at age 65.
• Creating a cabinet-level "Department of Peace"
• Ratifying the ABM Treaty and the Kyoto Protocol.
• Introducing reforms to bring about instant-runoff voting.
• Protecting a woman's right to choose while decreasing the number of abortions performed in the U.S.
• Ending the War on Drugs.
• Legalizing same-sex marriage.
• Strongly promoting workers' rights.
• Ending the H-1B and L-1 visa Programs
• Restoring rural communities and family farms.
• Strengthening gun control.
• Legalizing Medicinal Marijuana and decriminalizing non-medical possession.

Now why the hell are we talking about Ron Paul when there's a guy who actually IS a hippie, rather than someone who manages to pick up on one part of the hippie mentality and then be neo-fascist on everything else?

 

WILLIE NELSON ENDORSES KUCINICH FOR PRESIDENT

Willie Nelson (Thread)

"I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?"
- Willie Nelson

Ganjawarnews: 7-5-4 Koo-sin'-itch!

Kucinich (Thread)

Kucinich bill to Congress for Washington DC 51state

Dennis Kucinich on the Drug War

 

Nice work there, cool facts and info, Willie Nelson is quality. It annoys me how 'mainstream' candidates always back down from things that they truly believe in in the fear that they might lose out on votes. I seem to remember Obama getting close, and then backing down. Over here in the U.K about 60% of the cabinet admitted to having used weed. It's just a shame that they have to be stupid and not try and push for freedom. It doesn't help that all laws have to go through the House of Lords too.

 

um, they're both out....

Kucinich is done, Paul could still run on a libertarian ticket. There's gonna be a DC march for Paul as well.

But that's it. The system won. Like, game over man.

 

Always a chance that Obama may take on Kucinich as an adviser. I wouldn't say game over at all. The world is stepping out of the insane era of communist witch-hunting and it's after effects and the stigma that weed ended up getting because of that. More and more (western) countries are getting more relaxed over weed. Even if the U.K government spends stupid amounts of money on anti-weed adverts, yet nothing at all on Heroin and the other evil ones.

 

There's only a minuscule chance that Obama would take Kucinich as an adviser. It wouldn't do a whole lot for the Obama campaign, other than make him look like an extremist.

And the modern world is still a cesspool of lies from the top and ignorance at the bottom. Soviet communism has been dead for nearly 20 years, how long do they need? No, the cold war wasn't the problem, it was just an excuse.

 

It's possible he might after he wins (counting my eggs much?). My point was that the Cold War was an excuse for withholding civil liberties, just as the 'war on terror' is now. Shame there hasn't really ever been a time in recent history where the government hasn't demonised an invisible enemy in order to keep the people down. Oh well, just have to form our own country somewhere. Hipforumland anyone?

 

War is what pays.
Conflict, chaos and confusion... Ya baby.
When Washington demonized King George,
we had a "Revolution"...
Coincidentally, now the wealthy didn't have to pay taxes on tea.
The blue collar signers of the Declaration,
lost everything. Caged and stigmatized.
While some went into His-story books.
Books that are lies, agreed upon.

Growers & Buyers Clubs
have as much profit at stake as DEAth squid grunts.
Pisstasters and Piss Purifiers,
Fascists keeping out competition,
Higher prices do to prohibition.
Cops with budgets for overtime ditchweed raids.
Rehabs curing treatment with cages or faith based indoctrination.

Judges egos tripping, brand new cages and court-mansions,
and dead tree legality forms in triplicate.
Iraq police actions pay the same way.
Half a trillion so far, for war paraphernalia.
The "tax" money we don't have for citizens,
we have to give the chickenhawk enterprises.
Private prisons and mandatory sentences...
Monsanto Halliburton Blackwater mercenaries,
Dyncorps spy gadgets, Sikorsky pot coptors,
or Lockheed bomb droppers on tax paid crystal methedrine.

We borrow more bucks from foreign world banksters.
$300 bil a year for the interest,
none for more Clinics, Nurses and Doctors or Infrastructure.
Hemp is outlawed right along with heroin.
Nothing makes sense and that is on purpose.
Delay for years for permission to run Ganja test,
then given government schwag to do it.
Results aren't what was expected? No shit?
Duh, doesn't Congress get it? Seems reasonably simple.
Yet year after year they only listen to Faux News,
who listens to DEAth news, who listens to,
NAFTA/GATT and the World Trade Orchestrations.

Since the real Public Servants,
are the Growers and Buyers Clubs,
the delivery services and retail marketeers.
Who deserve the higher cost, do to risk.
Taxes should supplement them and users.
The neocon naive are the ones willing
to let their loved ones suffer
because some politicop lies about hazards.
Teaching their kids fossil fools gossip,
legal booze binges, fast fuds and white powders,
Lessons in stigmatizing most of what's natural,
to the point it is they who are the ones
pissing against the wind "legalizing".
Ganja is a plant, all plants are good.
It's people who fuck up... DdC




Ganjastan

 

cause its not about voting for the man most like you
it's about voting for the man who will do the best with the federal government
Personally, as awesome as I think it would be for all drugs to legal at a federal level I just don't think it would be a good idea, even just marijuana. I think it would be far better to just remove ALL issues of such a subjective nature from federal and make them dependent on purely state level, which is what Ron Paul wants to do. Yah, some states drug laws won't budge, but in other states, they will. Like I live in oregon and Im sure if federal drug laws were taken away, oregon would get alot of stuff straight up legalized fairly quickly. Which would be awesome cause then oregon would become a cooler state and attract such a good culture to it.

 

Gun control and criminalisation of drugs are completely different things. Can you kill someone with a joint? Can you rob a store with a joint? Can you go psycho in a school with a joint? Nope you can't. The whole self protection thing is simple paranoia. People with guns in their houses are actually more likely to end up dieing.

 

That is bullshit, you are quoting the refigured heavily manipulated statistics that the antigun lobby has twisted for years. The liberal CDC lost a ton of funding due to their skewed and biased statistics all to acheive a political adgenda.

Smoke less and think more. You now see how easy it is to use the "Man's" tactics to control the popular perception of what "they" want controlled. Marijuana is the gateway drug, right?

 

And the gun lobby don't? What about that bullshit statistic from Australia that gets repeated over and over again despite being debunked. Fact of the matter is, guns are dangerous weapons, they are designed to kill. Get rid of guns, the homicide rates drop significantly. I could show you countless (well supported) statistics for gun control. The argument that it protects against totalitarianism is ridiculous. Saddam had incredibly lax gun laws and most of the population had guns. Most of the population of Nazi Germany had guns (Jews weren't allowed them, but they were not the only group to oppose Hitler.)

If you wanted to defend yourself against a totalitarian government, small arms would be useless. They would always be way more powerful than you, and if they were truly totalitarian, they would not hesitate to use excessive force against Guerrilla movements.

 

Wrong again my deluded friend. The recent DC handgun case should have illuminated the problem for you. The only handgun owners during the wwII era were those conscripted/drafted/bullied etc. into ole Adolph's side. Many opposed his regime and they were disarmed as well. Its personal freedom (one of the few left). Not to rally against totalitarian govts if you actually believe that is what the sport shooters, hunters, collectors are fighting for you are clueless.

However spare me the rhetoric as I will not debate with one who has skewed facts. I am quite sure there are a plethora of antigun websites that you can google and paste here. I was however pointing out (with sarcasm) how the Legalization movement faces the same peril as the law abiding handgun owner. Like your lovely "get rid of handguns" well my man lets eradicate "the weed" Wait they are already spending how much to do that? For how long? Its working well. Lets flush another freedom because you don't like it. Just like we don't need to legalize anything because you cannot be trusted to moderate yourself.

I see now how propaganda works - all rights are important. Once you give one up you will be hard pressed to see it again.

You cannot be trusted and are not responsible for your actions - let us pass a law to remedy that. I am sure the criminals will obey.

 

Get your facts straight. Gun control has found to INCREASE violent crimes because it floods the black market while restricting guns to law-abiding citizens who normally use guns only for self-defense.

Gun control is all about disarming the people against tyrannical government. It doesn't stop violent people from committing violent crimes, it simply prevents non-violent people from defending themselves against such violence. The idea that guns are inherently bad is an ideal that has been indoctrinated into the public by the establishment that wants nothing more than to completely ban all guns.

 

It floods the black market at first, then the police clear it up. As I mentioned, Hitler only stopped Jews from owning weapons. So your inclusion of him on your 'list' doesn't count. Has Japan ever shown tendencies towards totalitarianism? No it hasn't. Though undoubtedly you'll point me to some conspiracy theory that proves the Japanese sunk Atlantis. Do you really expect that if the government went oppressive and totalitarian, a handgun or rifle would allow you to fight back. No, of course it wouldn't, they'd have tanks, aircraft, missiles, sub-machine guns bazookas ect.

Fact of the matter is, with guns, they get into the hands of dangerous people a lot easier than they do without. We in the UK have far lower gun homicide rates than you do in the US. We also still have lower non-gun homicide rates than your gun homicide rates.

 

You still do not understand and have resorted to generalities and nonsense. If you are indeed from the UK perhaps it is your frame of reference.

Shall we stop the women from voting next? Maybe they might be having a "bad week"? Or should we ban ______ ? (<- fill in the blank)

Get it yet?

 

My point is this, women voting does not kill people. Cannabis does not give people the power to kill someone easily. A gun is a weapon, a dangerous weapon. Do you accept that people cannot carry rocket launchers, nuclear missile launchers and miniguns? Why? Because they kill people, don't give me that bullshit that guns don't kill people, people do. It's fucking nonsense.

Drugs have the capacity to do harm only to the user, and some don't even do that. Guns have the capacity, (and in fact the purpose) to harm and kill people. That is why it is quite easy to be pro legalisation of drugs, and also pro gun control.

 

Bloody hell how many times do I have to repeat this, it's not a case of not "wanting" something so no one should have it. It's a case of something being a dangerous weapon. Guns ARE the line in the sand, there is no slippery slope when we are talking about entirely different things. Pot, Tobacco and SUVs are not designed to kill people. Guns are, since when is it fascist to want to control dangerous weapons.

I'll give you an example, someone has a bad month, they lose it. They have a gun in the house. What happens? Someone is quite likely to die.

They don't have a gun in the house, let's say they have a knife though. Lets, for the sake of argument, say that the person they wish to knife does not manage to escape. They have a much larger chance of survival.

 

It's always been fascist for tyrannical governments to want to ban firearms as a means of disarming the public. What else would you call it: The government looking out for you and wanting to be your daddy because they care?

Guns are not dangerous. People are dangerous. People get drunk and kill people driving, so should we ban cars because of the irresponsible people who drive them? It's no different than saying we need to ban guns because of the chemically-imbalanced and criminal-minded people who use them to commit violent crimes.

Except you never hear this happening with the overwhelming majority of people who own guns, most of whom are non-violent, law-abiding citizens.

See, you have been brainwashed to see guns as inherently evil.

 

Yep, brainwashed to see weapons as dangerous. I see your point.