What If You Could Start A New Country Up?

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Ged, Sep 17, 2018.

  1. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    You're getting me hot
     
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  2. Deidre

    Deidre Follow thy heart

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    Hahaha!!
     
  3. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    I don't need to. I live in the glorious Netherlands :-D
     
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  4. Noserider

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    Now the Netherlands...
    are jus lyke Compton
     
  5. Oh man
    "Glorious"

    I swear, this guy...
     
  6. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Taters gonna potate!
     
  7. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    In the country of Cannabis, the Standing Army would be couchlocked... lol
     
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  8. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    Mine would be simply named "Cuntry"
     
  9. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    I just want to rule the Iron Islands
     
  10. Asmodean

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    After the music genre?
     
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  12. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    there are actually several ways to have a non-monetary economy. to start with, nature and reality have had one going for billions of years before anything human came along.
    and without guns or slavery either. the argument that without money you have to have one or the other, or even have to drag a cow around with you, are simply ways to brainwash people into hating logic and not trying to be inovative about it by convincing them it isn't possible, when in reality it has been done. even great civilization have existed with neither money nor slavery.
    not that they aren't vulnurable without effective defense, though as many have fallen to environmental short sightedness as to invasion or subversion.

    gift economies, also known as potlatching have not only existed but flourished. you're not taught about them in history class, for reasons that are obvious if you think about it, that too many have too much emotionally invested in not wanting you to even imagine it possible.

    the problem of course, is the need for an engine to drive them. in potlatching its popularity and or prestege.
    that can work in what i envision myself. earned by being generous and creative.

    i know that's difficult for most of us today to imagine, but it can and has been done.
    micronesia and the amish have been mentioned, but technology isn't the culpret, ego is.

    indiginous cultures aren't generally anti-technology, just recognizing a dependence on the environment learned the hard way over thousands of years.
    it is certainly possible to develop technologies that recognize this, we are even starting to do so.

    whether or not we are doing too little too late of that, remains to be seen.

    even collective agriculture isn't a bad idea. making everything have to be any one way is though.
    and that includes, making everything have to be about money.

    and of course we're not talking about literally and absolutely free, that's something that doesn't exist.
    but the real costs can be made painless, even free, and much of what we are paying now,
    punishes more then rewards us. and that can be eliminated nearly completely.

    machines can do most of the heavy lifting, and hobbiests can create and maintain most of what else is needed.
    and most people would quickly tire of doing nothing, if that were ever even possible.

    but we do need people to stop telling each other to pretend the same things as themselves,
    and encourage diversity of imagination instead,
    along with logic, consideration and honesty,
    for reasons i've outlined repeatedly else where.

    this isn't an ideology. its moving beyond thinking in terms of ideologies,
    and using them as excuses to hate logic, and what we could create without the hatred of it.
     
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  13. Ged

    Ged Tits and Thigh Man.

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    There is nothing intrinsically wrong with money when it is simply a practical value of exchange. But it has become reified as something above and beyond what it actually is. It is now weaponized and the majority of us who are not rich are slaves to it.
     
  14. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    I honestly think that's been the case for a couple thousand years.

    It seems historically it's been the same fight between classes continuing in perpetuity.
     
  15. Ged

    Ged Tits and Thigh Man.

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    Two great historical moments involving money:

    Jesus turning over the tables of the money exchangers.

    The USA going off the gold standard in 1933.

    The first example being an important and defiant gesture. The second one having had a major impact on the actual economics of the World monetary system.
     
  16. Driftrue

    Driftrue Banned

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    I do NOT WANT the responsibility of my own country but most of yours sound good.
     
  17. McFuddy

    McFuddy Visitor

    Come ON Ged. A mushroom can't overturn tables. Duh.
     
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  18. Asmodean

    Asmodean Slo motion rider

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    Are you comparing Jesus to Trumps penis?
     
  19. Meliai

    Meliai Banned

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    That was cool
    Jesus is a bad ass

    I wish he would come back and turn the tables again, right in front of the evangelicals who continuously vote to get screwed by the money exchangers
     
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  20. And then you go and choose the lamest picture.
    Artifical coloUrs and everything.

    So I'm just going to use this opportunity to post some GOOD cake

    Sacher

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    Dobos

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    Esterhazy

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