Trump supporters do you like this tax bill?

Non needed?

Shall you propose we take on our terrorist enemies with camels and harsh strongly worded Muslim insults?

You might want to do a little research on what you deem is in needed. While you're at it research how much territory ISIS and the Taliban controlled when Obama (another gutter of the military) left office compared to the 12 months since he is no longer in office.

I'm not surprised at all that you feel our military is un needed.

And if you wish to use the extreme argument that it's about the poor starving homeless AGAIN, might I suggest some just as extreme solutions. If we don't fight these terrorist whose intent it is to defeat us, being homeless and starving will be the luxury they provide before they kill us.

I hate using such extreme analogies but perhaps that is the only logic that makes any sense since extremes are what seems to be used by the Dems mouthpieces and their loyal followers.

It would be nice if we had the luxury of not needing our military. But Clinton decided to make those cuts. I understand his choices. We pay the price.

 

You stated this as nothing more than my using Republican talking points. Show me an example of a successful plan that the Dems have come up with.

 

Here I have to agree in part; the US military is a massive waste of resources and lives. Even when there is no war (way back when) the military is a dangerous occupation and lots of people are killed during training, weird accidents and other shit they might never have encountered in normal daily life.

We don't need 2/3 of our military and as technology advances that number SHOULD continue to shrink. The US has the most advanced weapons and yet, still maintains old fashioned command structures that mimic those of WW1. With the video game generation the need for advanced physical training and marching into battle SHOULD have become a thing of the past for all but the most elite units where insurgency and tactical strikes on the ground are necessary.

At the moment we are mired in a back-door draft whereby sailors serve their tours carrying a rifle in a desert and the only way other enlisted people can get away from a toxic command is to reenlist for MORE military time.

If we were to think about our military in honest, pragmatic terms we would only allow bachelors to serve front line positions including ships and submarines. It's time to eliminate "military families" at the enlisted level as well as for junior officers. The military is toxic for families. It always disgusted me to hear some disbursing clerk or officer say something like "well, your wife didn't come with your seabag" or some other such anti-family tripe. After gutting those expensive luxuries most of our serving military should be essentially IT workers. We have the technology already deployed to cover a battlefield with aerial and ground-based drone equipment. So why on earth do we have general troops with rifles on the ground fighting IEDs and RPGs?

The other really disgusting thing to happen during the last administration was the way the military pulled a back-door advancement path for women officers who wanted to retire as full generals for a fat pension. See, they had to have combat leadership experience to qualify for that rank and the Pentagon held fast to this rule as they do for higher officer ranks. Sooooo, women are now in combat under the guide of "equality" (though the physical standards were reduced) and the fattest of the fat cat women officers, less than a hundred people, can now get the golden parachute, courtesy of the taxpayers, and lots of dead enlisted women.

And it's all done in the name of "tradition", "heritage" and "pride". For a matter of seconds I hoped Trump might see the bigger picture with the military, but he doesn't. He's being sucked in like Emperor Hirohito and paying no attention to the balance sheet. I'd rather have someone from Shark Tank running the show.

 

Why? I've already said the Democratic party is too far to the right for me. Most Democratic Senators and Reps still consider single payer a radical idea.

Also do you mean overall or in regards to healthcare or what? The Democrats came up with Medicare, if they had expanded it to all ages when it was written we wouldnt be having so many issues with our healthcare system now, but at least our seniors have coverage.

 

Oh I think I understand your confusion now.

Your criticism of the ACA is valid. I wasnt referring to that when I mentioned Republican talking points.

 

You used ridiculous analogies with your camel and Muslim insult points. You Republicans always use fear to get a few more American voters to support you. In real life, if the US military spending is cut by billions of dollars, the USA will still have the largest military budget on earth. The USA has been at war for nearly every year of existence since its 1776 birth in warfare. Maybe it would be a good idea to live a few years without war, and without burning the grass huts of Vietnamese farmers, and without the shock and awe of Iraqi citizens. President Carter purged the CIA and the military and put in some sensible people. I think that would be great. We need to get Trump's unqualified appointees out of the national security picture before things escalate into another war for profit...what Trump & Pence want.

 

I agree with you George, we need leader who can think in a rational way, not in a racist way. We would have less wars and not need to spend more than all other countries combined while living in fear of some camel riders...like that other guy said.

 

Racist? I fail to see how anything I posted even came close to addressing a race-based issue. How is a bloated military the result of racism and do you really think Trump is a "racist" or are you just parroting hard leftist talking points? What's the use of this hard tack to the left?

 

War is a money maker. It has facilitated many a resource grab from hapless foreign countries by hook or by crook. Sometimes by shuffling papers and other times by outright violence. Oh, there are bad actors that wish us harm--no doubt. Trump has so little understanding of anything beyond his lust for money, that I can't help but believe this bill will help to continue the flow of money to those that already have most of it.

 

Didn't mean to get in the way of those posters that have excellent facts( not alternative facts) to counter those with repub talking points. Carry on.

 

The earlier comment on what I had written made reference to camels etc...that interjected race into the dialog.

 

I've seen camel racing.

 

Why do socialists get upset with people paying little taxes as possible, but have no problems with other people not working and paying zero taxes?

 

I don't know about "Socialists", but I have a problem with people who make lots of money and pay next to no taxes while people making a lot less pay a lot more--because it's unfair. As for those who are not working and paying zero taxes, it all depends on why they aren't working. If it's because they're unable to work owing to a legitimate disability or inability to find gainful employment after a diligent search, I have no problem. If it's because they're too damn lazy, I say let 'em starve!

 

Yeah I can agree that the ruling class can and should pay their fair share like the rest of us down below. The fact that many of the corporations they run receive welfare irks me a lot more than people at the bottom receiving welfare. I don't think higher taxes for everyone is good either.

 

You might want to read some books on this subject. Then you will understand why what you said does not apply the group you speak of. "Not working"?

I feel like I always pick on you but you make is so easy. How can cons be this stupid?

 

As the old saying goes, "Give a man a fish, he can feed himself a day. Give a man a welfare check, food stamps, section 8 housing, and a crackpipe, he'll vote progressive for life."

We're past the 50th year in the war on poverty since LBJ's new society programs, and the poverty rate has remained at a stagnant 14.5%. You'd think if the government was good at fighting wars like this, they might've sliced that number in half by now. But instead, the government you've entrusted your life to has spent more than $22 trillion dollars since the 1960s when these "anti-poverty" policies first began. That's enough money to buy every homeless person in this country a multi-million dollar estate.

 

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OH fuck 6 is at it AGAIN…same old crap and he knows its crap since he runs away whenever he has to answer questions he’d rather he wouldn’t as they would make it all too plain just how crap his ideas are.

 

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Yep that’s it every single person that has ever asked for or received public assistance is a feckless scrounger

For fuck sake 6 LOL - we have been through all this it’s part of the con game that defines the disadvantaged into the ‘deserving’ and ‘undeserving’

The deserving being those that don’t ask for help and so don’t need any. And the undeserving being those who do ask for help thereby showing that they are scroungers and wasters who don’t deserve any help.

So it was plain - the argument went – that there was no need to give assistance to the disadvantaged.

It’s propaganda spread by wealth to try and justify it not having to pay taxes to welfare programmes.

And part of this deserving and undeserving propaganda is to push the old Social Darwinist argument that the undeserving are inferiors people for example they are drug addicts, promiscuous, unintelligent etc.

The thing is that the neoliberal/free market ideas that many right wingers support are not about seeking full employment as the Keynesian based models are, it is about having unemployment because that is one of the means of driving down wage prices. It is the same reason why neoliberals oppose social programmes because their removal would also increase the possibility for exploitation, as in work or starve.

So these people push the idea all recipients of welfare are crackpipe smoking scroungers to try and bamboozle people into voting against prudent and needed welfare and at the same time try and convince the unquestioning that ALL those that vote for left wing ideas are only out to screw society for all they can.

The thing is that a vast amount of ‘welfare’ goes to those that are working and working hard often at more than one job