The obligation of unwanted fatherhood

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  1. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    The obligation of unwanted fatherhood

    By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist | March 23, 2006


    REAL MEN - good men - take responsibility for the children they father. If they get a woman pregnant, they do the right thing: They stand by her. They support their child. They don't try to weasel out of a situation they co-authored. They shoulder the obligations of fatherhood, even if they hadn't planned on becoming a father. Once upon a time, men confronted with news of an unintended pregnancy knew what was expected of them. Often they married the woman who was carrying their child; for those tempted to behave irresponsibly, society devised the shotgun wedding. Women, too, knew what was expected of them. They tended to be very careful about sex. If they didn't always wait until they were married, they waited for a relationship that seemed to be marriage-bound.





    It wasn't a perfect system, and it didn't guarantee perfect happiness, but on the whole it was realistic: It recognized that sex has consequences. It bound men to the women they impregnated and made sure that children had dads as well as moms.

    But the old code was swept away by the Sexual Revolution. With the Pill and easy abortion came the illusion of sex without consequences. Pregnancy could be avoided or readily undone. Men didn't have to marry women they impregnated; women didn't have to reserve themselves for men who were committed or whose intentions were honorable. With the devaluation of sex came the devaluation of fatherhood. Men got used to the idea of sex without strings. So did women, many of who also got used to the idea of motherhood without husbands. Government helped, too, mandating welfare benefits for unmarried moms, and child-support checks from "deadbeat dads." With the incentives for marriage weaker than ever, more and more children were born out of wedlock. In 1950, just 4 percent of births were to unmarried mothers. By 1980, the rate was more than 18 percent. It stands today at nearly 36 percent. All this is bad enough. Comes now Matt Dubay with a proposal to make things worse.

    A 25-year-old computer programmer in Michigan, Dubay wants to know why it is only women who have "reproductive rights." He is upset about having to pay child support for a baby he never wanted. Not only did his former girlfriend know he didn't want children, says Dubay, she had told him she was infertile. When she got pregnant nonetheless, he asked her to get an abortion or place the baby for adoption. She decided instead to keep her child and secured a court order requiring him to pay $500 a month in support.

    Not fair, Dubay complains. His ex-girlfriend chose to become a mother. It was her choice not to have an abortion, her choice to carry the baby to term, her choice not to have the child adopted. She even had the option, under the "baby safe haven" laws most states have enacted, to simply leave her newborn at a hospital or police station. Roe v. Wade gives her and all women the right - the constitutional right! - to avoid parenthood and its responsibilities. Dubay argues that he should have the same right, and has filed a federal lawsuit that his supporters are calling "Roe v. Wade for men." Drafted by the National Center for Men, it contends that as a matter of equal rights, men who don't want a child should be permitted, early in pregnancy, to get "a financial abortion" releasing them from any future responsibility to the baby.

    Does Dubay have a point? Of course. Contemporary American society does send very mixed messages about sex and the sexes. For women, the decision to have sex is the first of a series of choices, including the choice to abort a pregnancy - or, if she prefers, to give birth and collect child support from the father. For men, legal choices end with the decision to have sex. If conception takes place, he can be forced to accept the abortion of a baby he wants - or to spend at least the next 18 years turning over a chunk of his income to support a child he didn't want.

    All true. But it is also true that predatory males have done enormous damage to American society, and the last thing our culture needs is one more way for men to escape accountability for the children they father. Dubay wants more than the freedom to be sexually reckless - he wants that freedom to be constitutionally guaranteed. Truly he is a child of his time, passionate on the subject of rights and eager to duck responsibility.

    The culture used to send a clear message to men in Dubay's position: Marry the mother and be a father to your child. Today it tells him: Just write a monthly check. Soon -- if this lawsuit succeeds -- it won't say even that. The result will not be a fairer, more equal society. It will be a society with even more abortion, even more exploitation of women, even more of the destructiveness and instability caused by fatherlessness.

    And, in some ways saddest of all, even more people like Matt Dubay: a boy who never learned how to be a real man.
     
  2. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    I smirk a little at unplanned fatherhood - parenthood as a whole.

    Why are we still surpised that when people have sex, then PEOPLE GET PREGNANT AND GET DISEASE! you think? really? get out! Who would've thought that SEX leads to PREGNANCY!

    Seriously folks. Have sex all you want. But if you're going to do so, despite whatever protection u use, be prepared for whatever babies and diseases u end up with.
     
  3. moon_flower

    moon_flower Banned

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    Chivalry, as well as real men, are extinct. Women today have little boys to look forward to....no wonder we're at an all time high for unwed mothers; would YOU marry a 'man' from today?
     
  4. shaina

    shaina No War Know Peace

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    have you ever noticed how all supposed "men" say it is the womans fault they got pregnant don't they realize that without there sperm there is no way that could have happened also when these "men" say the woman should get an abortion because they don't want the kid and they think this is the best method well they are not the one who has to deal with all the depression and the thoughts that they killed there baby there just happy they don't have to pay but have they ever thought that the woman will have to pay with not just money but also time no they don't there just thinking of themselves. they say the woman is selfish for thinking of keeping the baby well they are selfish for not thinking of helping out with the baby
     
  5. barefoot_kirstyn

    barefoot_kirstyn belly flop

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    I can see what this guy is saying, but it doesn't make it anyless sick.

    I agree with Shaina....uh, it does take sperm to make a baby, too. There's 2 people involved when a baby is made, not one....if the mom can't fathom aborting a baby, that baby is still half it's father.
    If this dude doesn't want to take resplonsibility for his baby, then he's got a hand, lube is a lot cheaper than child support.......
     
  6. trippedelia

    trippedelia wow

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    I'd look after m,y baby
     
  7. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    Its easy to say you'd man up.

    No one knows until its happened.

    I just pray to god never to be that unlucky.
     
  8. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    Sure you know.It's your choice...
     
  9. Eeso

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    No, It's not sick. It's logical. - What we have now is a double standard. - What if for example - a woman got pregnant and didn't want to carry the child but the father wanted to keep it? - What do you think would happen? That's exactly the situation we have now except that the roles are reversed and instead of having to take care of the kid for 9 months, the father ends up supporting the poor unwanted prodgeny - and in many cases the mother, unfairly though child support is supposed to go towards the childs needs only, for 18 years.

    Double standards all around.
     
  10. barefoot_kirstyn

    barefoot_kirstyn belly flop

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    if the father really wanted to keep the baby, he could take the mother to court and she could be forced to go through with the pregnancy and afterwards, the baby would be given over to the father. I've heard of this happening before.
     
  11. cerridwen

    cerridwen in stitches

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    too hard to find a good man nowadays.
     
  12. barefoot_kirstyn

    barefoot_kirstyn belly flop

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    I dont' have any news article or anything. It happened to some people who I used to go to school with.
     
  13. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    it's a double standard alright.The parents are worried about their rights while the kid suffers.
     
  14. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Quote: "Not only did his former girlfriend know he didn't want children, says Dubay, she had told him she was infertile. When she got pregnant nonetheless, he asked her to get an abortion or place the baby for adoption. She decided instead to keep her child and secured a court order requiring him to pay $500 a month in support."

    Did she lie when she said she was infertile or was she just misdiagnosed that way? If she lied then the guy is a victim.
     
  15. gate68

    gate68 Senior Member

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    I wish i could have supported my kid on 500 a month.It's the price you pay when you play.
     
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