Support the Troops?

I support the troops, only to bring them home. I dont support the president. None of my family voted for Bush AKA warpig.

 

wooh there! I simply pose a question. If you want to assume that (above) fine. But I understand more than you may realize.

So just because a country is not in a war, it is okay to just deal with enforced service than? I don't think so. I think people should still stop it. Or they could be lead down a rough path in the future, like the USA. A country in no conflict now does not mean it won't be in conflict someday in the future. With an enforced military law, it makes it easier to start an unjust war akin to Iraq. That is why I don't justify mandatory involvement or voluenteery and wonder why you don't seem to revile mandatory as much as volenteery. simply for the POTENTIAL of what it could create. if people did not want to join, there would be enough of an uprising to stop it.

I however DO care about other countries. I really care about what is going on. What they are doing now isn't akin to American actions but with enforced military involvement for every male THEY HAVE THE POTENTIAL to do something akin to USA. This is why I like to concern myself with other countries international relations. And there is a lot more to learn!!! USA is not the center of the universe and I want to branch out. I care about Ukraine for instance. Ukraine is constantly on the brink of Civil War because the east and the west cannot agree on who they support or what they believe for that matter, for instance. This is not a problem with just America..more of the western world..hell, just the world, war can strike anywhere. conflicts arise and could turn very sour.

you don't care of other countries, but every country other than America or England is NOT filled with fluffly bunnies. my point is, conflict could arise anywhere, the next Iraq could happen anywhere in the world..especially with so many countries making their citizens join up at 18. Americas involvement in Iraq is TERRIBLE. Buuut, any country is capable of this and I will assume you realize this, the way the world is.

I beg to differ, I believe I have made good points and made myself even clearer above, just in case. I was not convinced as to why I should not revile mandatory in other countries as much as voluenteery here in the USA. I don't like war anywhere, I don't stop at just America. especially since the government is the one that sets policy and go to war. other countries are just as capable of war as America.

 

Generalizations and stereotypes do divide people. but in the same breath, I understand they can not always be avoided as we are humans. simple as that.

 

I totally agree with the topic creator, we have elevated the image of America's paid mercanaries to the level that now they are considered to be a viable choice for todays youth. "HEY kids, go and kill some guys and then get shot in the back of the head by the people you are "liberating."

What a load!

I was in Vietnam back in the day and I saw what had happened when you blindly go into the military and think it's something "glorious."

I've read a book called "Series of Pain" that I think should be in every youth's classroom that semi-accuratly portrays what can happen to one's mind and body once you've been in a war time situation. Here's an encyclopedia article on the book for those of you who would like to do an report (Which I highly recommend you do.)

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Pain_Series

 

Jarhead is a good war book that tells the bitter truth, and it's actually interesting for teens (I read it back in 9th or so when it first came out)
I think that would be much more suited for the job you propose


however, I disagree with many of the things Skip said in the original post

 

I didn't vote for Bush, he's not my president, maybe yours...

And I certainly didn't send those goddamn troops over to Iraq, so, I'm not willingly supporting them.

They signed up, they asked for action, I hope some of them get what they want and deserve. A roadside bomb maybe. : =
Besides, it's good for the gene pool. : )

Go complain to your president.

 

I find it funny that I hate war but I love Vonnegut books and Catch 22...lol

 

Yes yes, we have been over that, The USA is the biggest threat, we never disagreed with that. I just state that other countries are simply capable of these actions and agressions too, in the future. I mean, France bombed countries in C. Africa. That isn't as big of a threat as the USA, hopefully never will be but...things could esculate

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-11/2006-11-30-voa59.cfm?CFID=112767380&CFTOKEN=47950592

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article2076138.ece

Slovakia is currently having issues with the newly elected government OPENLY wishing to kick out its Hungarian citizens. Or Putin of Russia undermining governmental opposition movements in Georgia and Ukraine and bullying Georgia and undermining their sovereingty status. Like I mentioned, Ukraine is constantly on the brink of Civil War.

Aggression TO SOME EXTENT is all around is my point. Blame the USA, but don't stop there. Because there are many countries that COULD BE CAPABLE of this agression. I am sick of people simply placing blame on the USA (or if they feel like branching out England). we are wrong, but not the only wrong doers. the worst as of now yes. The USA may be the most obviously agressive, but lets not be naive, Europe is not filled with cute puppies and cuddly babies .


I don't want to go to far off topic, but I am saying this isn't just a Britian/USA thing. Military aggression does not stop in America. but if you look into it, the western world is, to some extent, at fault too, even today if you look into it. as is the world. But if you don't want to revile mandatory service in other countries the same way you do sign ups in the USA, that is fine with me. If enough people were against mandatory, if they were so anti war, there would be enough of an uprising. Instead they simply adhere to it. Maybe mankind has become to intertwined in war?

 

This is what U.S. soldiers, that some of you blindly support, do in America's "honorable war" in Iraq.

Ever wonder why they get blown up by roadside bombs?


U.S. Soldiers Tease Iraqi Kids

http://www.yourdailymedia.com/post/1164034395

 

Yeah I read about that the other day. I guess a bunch of older local "lefties" wrote editorials denouncing it, trying to make the case that peaceful civil disobedience is the way to go. BULLSHIT! I agree with the concept of non violence and will always support it, but sometimes you got to turn some fucking heads to get the message across, mad props to those who participated, the times are changing, the days of apathetic servitude and pointless civil disobedience are coming to an end. The point of protest is to impact positive changes in flawed policies, and unless your shaking things up your wasting your time.

Long live the revolution.

 

Sure, protest the war!!! I will be there with you, if it is peaceful and tasteful.

but this is NOT the way to do it. These people hurt the anti war movement more than anything:


Educated protesters should seperate themselves from junk like that. The way you protest is extremely important too.


Again, I am against the war and hope people realize that joining the war be it signing up or mandatory is something that needs to be avoided, but I won't support that ^. The extremist left is scary too, especially when they are oblivious to the evils of Chavezs brutal and murderous history. It seems hypocritical to me that she promotes Chavez and the impeachement of Bush on the same shirt. And ignornant.


Some protesters are really losing touch.


Which basically reads: If you don't agree with me you're a sheep and must die? Lovely, compassionate, heart warming sentiment there...In the background you will see a protester who looks to be more TASTEFUL with the "US out of Iraq" sign. Not to hard is it? Otherwise, this man in the front makes our cause look weak.


Fanatacism is scary. Those people are scary. Someone needs to educate some of these people on what it means to be a protester and do it peacefully, tastefully and respectfully, otherwise, it will knock us down a level..or ten. We need all the validity we can get to strengthen our cause, not fanatics.

Can't support this, sorry
warning scary scary scary:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=38e_1174691271&p=1

that needs to STOP, F'IN PEACEFUL people. It angers me how fanatic some people are. The lady at the end makes a GOOD point. You can't fight violence with violence (violence against troops to stop the war.) Watch the video.

If someone protests the war under the guise of hating war, because war kills, how can one promote burning another human being? That is completely contradictory. It hurts our cause. Call these people out, seperate yourself from these anarchist wannabes.

 

Yah well I expect it to be more tasteful than some of that junk I posted otherwise it HURTS our cause. I made plenty of good points as to why. The Chavez shirt is ignorant. Ignorance does not HELP. Burning an f'in effigy of a solider DOES NOT HELP. It is hypocritical. That does not help. Dragging and burning our flag does not help, Yes I expect things to be more TASTEFUL THAN THAT. sorry. But if you don't want to separate yourself from that, so be it, I will at least. I will call people like that out. There are ways to be effective and more tasteful.

You can be fed up and mad, and control yourself. key word CONTROL.

I am mad and fed up but won't result to that.

 

I agree with most everything you pointed out, fanaticism is dangerous. However I do not believe it has to be tasteful within the constraints of mainstream society, that is utterly pointless. Wake up brother, if someone disagrees with your message already, no amount of tasteful demonstration will lend validity to your position. I do support burning the flag, I do support burning a US mercenary in effigy, however I myself find information "shock and awe" to be profoundly effective, forcibly showing a video of wounded iraqi children during a protest, US mercenaries shooting at civilians, US mercenaries exhibiting bravado and racism, handing out pictures of displaced and wounded iraqi families, ANYTHING you can do to bring the reality of war to the streets. Working with Bread and Puppet we've made huge puppets of george bush holding the world, we've made puppets of dick cheney holding a gun on the world, we've passed out informative fliers , photocopies of iraqi newspapers. singing and drumming...BUT DON'T SIT THERE WITH A FUCKING SIGN IN YOUR HAND EXPECTING TO CHANGE THE WORLD, YOUR DOING NOTHING BUT WASTING YOUR TIME AND SEALING THE FUTILITY OF THE TREE THAT WAS CUT DOWN TO MAKE THE PAPERBOARD!

 

yah I think people should show the nastiness of war. I agree with skip posting all those pictures. people need to know the truth of war. that is effective. sean penn, I would say is tasteful and effective and intelligent. Not being hypocritical and burning a solider effigy. those pictures are ignorant and not helpful.