London murder rate rises higher than NY City

No, i'm telling you they're not as commonly used in the UK as in the US. Gun crime across the board is higher in the US because we have more guns

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAFegQIABAB&usg=AOvVaw1PVZVwb4KWX6HDlnWigr0i

Hope that works, its a pdf. Robberies and burglaries are listed at # 4

 

I cant really take you seriously .Please travel.

 

What's wrong with howitzers and grenade launchers? So long as there is no access to explosive shells, there seems little danger to public safety.

 

Yeah, you're saying that if a burglar has no gun, but does have a knife, then it's better that you face them with a knife of your own or your bare fists. As I said, it sounds like a bad deal to me. Sounds a lot like the "lift weights and learn to box" strategy.

 

How is that what i'm saying? Where have I mentioned knives at all?

 

You talked about self defense. Self defense includes defense against people who attack with knives.

You also mentioned the frequency of armed home invasions in various countries. Any case where an intruder carried a knife would count as an armed home invasion.

 

Hmmm. When was a grenade launcher used in a shooting? And I have no idea what you intended to say in that last sentence.

 

In an earlier post, you emphasized the word "need" in a way that questioned my desire to have a gun for home defense. It follows that you must think that confronting a home invader with a knife or my bare fists would be more to your liking, which is ridiculous. And since there is no way for me to know if the home invader has a firearm, I have a right to defend my home from an invader in the way I see fit.

 

That happens to me sometimes. I don't know what causes it, maybe I accidentally hit the control key when I mean to hit shift or something, but sometimes I find that a line or two of what I type isn't there, and I have to go back and retype those lines again.

I bet the "m" was supposed to be a comma.

 

Thats funny, I thought I emphasized the word need because you used the word need.

 

So I used the word "need." You think that's a reason for you to emphasize the word? Why would you do that?

Here's what you said: "What you guys who think you *need* a gun for home defense are ignoring is the fact that countries that dont have very many guns in circulation dont really have the same issues with armed home invasions that we do in the US.

So you're not suggesting that I don't need a gun for home defense? Is that the point you're trying to make now?

 

You mean the sentence in which I expressed concern about Oklahoma's new law allowing guns to be purchased without permits or licenses. I think what I intended to say should be clear.

 

You said: "Semi-automYou say you don't have an AR-15." That was the last sentence of your post that I alluded to. That was clear.

Why are you asking me if I was referring to a sentence that you edited into that post after I quoted the sentence that didn't make sense. You know that I could not have been referring to something that you know wasn't in that post when I answered it?

 

Apparently I posted the sentence by accident without realizing it before finishing the sentence I was working on. A friend came in and I was distracted.

 

My point isnt about you

My point is that people living in countries with gun control dont feel the need to own guns for self defense because armed burglaries arent as common as they are in the US. I apologize, i thought I explained that clearly the first time I said it.

 

So you're saying that taking on a home invader with a knife or bare fists is preferable to using a gun?

 

The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is still used for any purchase at a licensed gun store in Oklahoma is it not?

I am skeptical of this claim. Is there a cite?

But even if it is true, guns are still highly useful for defending against unarmed robbers and burglars.

 

I already posted stats for UK at storch's request
Netherlands - 396 armed invasions of private homes last year
Armed robberies continue to decline, robbers are getting younger - DutchNews.nl

I'm not gonna dig up stats on every nation, you can if you want, I assure you they follow a general pattern of higher gun crime across the board in the US versus other first world nations

Also if you just talk to Europeans you can get a sense in the difference in cultures between them and the US. Many Europeans i've talked to think Americans are crazy for living in fear of guns and for thinking the solution to that fear is more guns

 

Those stats and your anecdotal evidence here don't address the question of whether it's better to confront a home invader with a knife and bare fists, or with a gun. I prefer a gun for obvious reasons.

 

Thats nice dear. I dont want a gun so living in a place where being a victim of an armed home invasion is a bigger threat than other places obviously doesnt sit well with me.

And furthermore I would prefer not to live in a country made more dangerous by a minority group who has hijacked our political system and is holding the majority of the country hostage by refusing to consider any sort of rational gun control measures that have proven to work in other countries.

Hey We all have our preferences