Justice For Julian Assange

Discussion in 'People' started by Aerianne, Nov 30, 2016.

  1. Aerianne

    Aerianne Crazy Cat Lady Staff Member Super Moderator

    When will Julian Assange go free?

    On 30 November 2016, the United Nations rejected the United Kingdom’s attempt to appeal the UN’s February ruling in favour of Julian Assange.
    The decision therefore stands and the UK and Sweden are once again required to immediately put an end to Mr. Assange’s arbitrary detention and afford him monetary compensation. https://justice4assange.com/?rejects
  2. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    That's just the UN playing their role as the complaint department for the US empire which pays half their bills. The British know who is paying the bills and will ignore any complaints the US tells them to. The case actually highlights why many conservatives in the US want to do away with the UN altogether and start cracking the whip on all the complaints. Its the best justice that money can buy and Assange's real sin is he didn't support money in a time when the average American is perfectly content to have their government trample all over their own constitution so long as they get some of the things they want. Americans just hate a loser even if they were defending everything their constitution stands for.
  3. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

    Would that mean dropping the rape charge? I thought his "arbitrary detention" was self-imposed sanctuary from criminal prosecution.
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  4. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

    According to what can be found on google, he chose to go to the Ecuador Embassy to avoid being prosecuted for rape in Sweden, and (according to google/Wikipedia) from Sweden, it will just be a hop, skip and jump for them to extradite him to the US...where he faces prosecution for treason.

    So...I also don't understand "freeing" J Assange. He chose this path.

    ALSO - Assange originally had 2 charges - for rape and sexual assault. The assault allegation was dropped ONLY because the time limit had run out. The rape charge still stands. However, if he continues to hide away that charge will have to be dropped in 2020.

    I've always heard where there is smoke there is fire.
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  5. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    Well, then...let's see...He will hide out and wait to be extradited here when Trump is in office, and that almost guarantees him a pardon, and then we get stuck with this bastard, too. ...and Trump's SWAMP keeps getting bigger and bigger. WONDERFUL!.
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  6. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

    yep...that's exactly how I see it happening.

    Trump LOVES the swamp...as his cabinet picks reflect IMO... Assange would be a worthy addition. He'll probably be named head of NSA under Trump.
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  7. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    My thoughts exactly...another pick for trump's SWAMP.
  8. Moonglow181

    Moonglow181 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    hmmmm...i wonder how some people would feel if were one of theirs that got raped.
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  9. Aerianne

    Aerianne Crazy Cat Lady Staff Member Super Moderator

    This article clarifies a bit:

    Assange still faces potential charges of rape in Sweden — but no complaint has yet been filed. Most notably, he faces extradition to the United States — where it is widely believed he would be charged with espionage.
    Now, Julian Assange has the unimpeded right to walk away from the Ecuadorian Embassy that has graciously provided asylum to the arbitrarily detained Wikileaks founder without fear of being arrested and taken into custody — at least theoretically.
    Without grounds for further appeal, the British and Swedish governments are left without tangible justification for continuing to tacitly force Assange to remain secreted inside his haven in London.
    But it remains to be seen what, precisely, will happen next.
    Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/assange-un-ruling-free-detention/#fryQFKH1w2F8IxP8.99
  10. Aerianne

    Aerianne Crazy Cat Lady Staff Member Super Moderator

  11. neonspectraltoast

    neonspectraltoast Senior Member

    Maybe that's true, but it's much less certain of a person who has "wronged" the US government in some way. The establishment will do anything to smear someone like Julian Assange. Normally I am suspicious about people who have had rape allegations leveled against them, but in the case of Julian...not really. Maybe if he had some other charges besides that and treason, but it's highly likely the rape charges were a part of a smear campaign orchestrated by the US govt.
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  12. Aerianne

    Aerianne Crazy Cat Lady Staff Member Super Moderator

    I still feel like Julian Arrange is a hero for revealing all he has.
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  13. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

    Just curious - so you think that the US orchestrated with Sweden to get women to make charges against Assange...

    and the sexual assault charge (that started as a molestation charge) that wound up being basically null/void because of a time limit was just the start of this orchestration?

    The US would have to know years ahead of time that Assange would be behind the Wikileaks...so they started this undercover orchestration well ahead of time then...

    edit: AND this orchestration that began well before us commoners knew what was going on was done with Sweden.

    maybe the USA has a time machine somewhere. :)
  14. neonspectraltoast

    neonspectraltoast Senior Member

    I'm not sure where you're getting your information. Julian wasn't charged with anything until long after he started WikiLeaks. He wasn't accused of anything until after he had already started WikiLeaks. I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

    Likely as not, yes, the United States has colluded with these women to trump up charges against Julian Assange. I'm so tired of this "incredulous" routine. We all know what our government is capable of (thanks in part to WikiLeaks.) So two women who had been with Assange were tracked down and coerced into charging him with rape, either through mind control or death threats or some kind of material compensation. Big deal. That's our government. I'm not sure why the US would have had to collude with Swedish authorities, though. He was charged in Sweden. The fact that there was a charge isn't made up. The girls accused him of rape. I don't think Julian fled to the embassy so much to escape the rape charges as it was that things were becoming so intense that he probably feared for his life. Though do I think it's possible that the United States government can influence authorities in Sweden? Well...yeah...duh. What do you think the CIA is? A bunch of boy scouts?

    If you really want to focus on where the smoke is, focus on pizzagate.
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  15. Aerianne

    Aerianne Crazy Cat Lady Staff Member Super Moderator

    Pizzagate is some awful, awful stuff.
  16. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

    Google is a wonder search engine!

    You can go to sites RIGHT UP FRONT...good, or reputable sites.

    Anyway, all of these sites will provide the information about Jullian Assange which come when googled with "Julian Assange and Rape Charges". You can also look up lots and lots on information about his "stay" at the embassy. Apparently there is contrasting information..

    I just go to the search engines (MANY OF THE ONES) on the first page (which boil down to 3 or 4)

    My information is correlated and has been amazingly consistent across the board! about the same with no tangible difference whatsoever- and the range is from since 2010 and up to 2016.

    But anyway ...I'm really not coming from an uninformed stance.
  17. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    Julian Assange allegedly raped someone on August 11, 2010. He released the infamous Collateral Murder video in April of 2010. So Wikileaks gained notoriety before he was charged with rape, not after..

    I don't know if he really raped anyone, I don't see how any of us could know for sure. I know the US government and other world governments had plenty of reason to frame him for rape at the time he was charged though.
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  18. Lynnbrown

    Lynnbrown Firecracker

    I truly had found places indicating sightly prior dates of assualt; but when I looked again just now I see that yes...the video was prior to the allegations.

    I still don't trust him...but that is just me.

    It causes me to question what he has revealed and what and why...and I admit I wonder, for whom.
  19. Meliai

    Meliai Senior Member

    Two things that have most framed my perspective on US foreign policy

    Reading the Poisonwood Bible when I was 17, and subsequent research into the US involvement in the Congo


    The Collateral Murders video. Assange and Bradley/Chelsea Manning will always be heroes of mine for it, even if both are fallible heroes
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  20. OldDude2

    OldDude2 Well-Known Member

    He has been granted asylum under the 1951 UN refugee act. Which allows him free passage from the Ecuador embassy in London to Ecuador.
    The UK police have surrounded the Ecuador Embassy in London, preventing him leavung for Ecuador therefor effectively imprisoning him.

    This is the way the UK police always works, try to get a sexual assault accusation or conviction (or some other sexual misdemeanor, child porn on your PC, etc.) then chase forever.
    The UK police tried to frame me for rape ..... the girl knew me, and phoned me up from her hospital bed after the attack to warn me, the police showed her a photo of me, and tried to get her to say I was the guy who attacked her. My brief (consultant for the EU court of human rights) said I should leave the UK before they managed to pin something on me.
    (why did thy try to frame me, I had a complaint against 8 police officers, a conviction for anything would mean the complaint went away)
    I have every sympathy for JA, these guys don't give up.

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