Is America turning into a police state slowly?

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  1. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."

    http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm

    "A people who would sacrifice liberty for security will lose both, and deserve neither." Ben Franklin


    The future of America with the conservatives in charge.
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  2. Tigerbeam

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    slowly?
     
  3. ConcealedCulture

    ConcealedCulture Senior Member

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    It's already there..
     
  4. seaofgreen

    seaofgreen Member

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    its been happening since the 70s. The hippies back then fought against the "establishment" and it is has gotten worst year after year after year. Our country used to be considered the best place in the world to live, but not any more. Our rights will be gone before we kn ow it, so sad.
     
  5. confessor

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    Well at least it's refreshing to hear someone who realizes it. Too may swallowing the BS in Bush's speaches, not enough looking to see the real stories. Bush isn't king yet, but if we don't step in soon, he or someone like him will be.
     
  6. buttrfly)i(

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    holy shit dont say that... that scares the hell out of me.
     
  7. El Guzano

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    It allready have long ago.
     
  8. confessor

    confessor Member

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    Then it's time to do something about it ;)
     
  9. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    In experience people who believe this like me are

    1. Stupid liberals
    2. Stupid hippies
    3. slaves of the media

    4. This cannot happen in America because America is the land of the free.
    5. The constitution

    Sometimes, I am like you believe what you like and times will tell. Wait and see, there is no debating with conservatives.
     
  10. El Guzano

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    you dont travel much out of your gated comunity do you.
     
  11. buttrfly)i(

    buttrfly)i( Member

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    haha nice...
     
  12. El Guzano

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    The Bureau of Public Debt is phasing out paper bonds in favor of web-based electronic bonds. [​IMG]


    Treasury manages the nation’s debt through the Bureau of Public Debt (BPD). BPD oversees the $6.3 trillion federal debt, including the $3.6 trillion held by the public. Last year, BPD issued approximately $3.7 trillion of debt by auctioning marketable Treasury securities and selling savings bonds, and paid off $3.5 trillion in securities. BPD introduced its new TreasuryDirect system in 2002, by offering the first ever all electronic Series I inflation-indexed savings bond (www.treasurydirect.gov). This is the first step of an E-Government initiative to offer retail investors a direct all-electronic means to buy and hold Treasury securities. A key factor in achieving this important goal is the multiyear effort to convert all savings bond holdings to paperless form.
     
  13. El Guzano

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    [size=+1]Marijuana[/size]

    [size=-1]Street terms for marijuana: grass, pot, weed, bud, Mary Jane, dope, indo, hydro1[/size]

    [size=-1]What does marijuana look like?[/size]
    • [size=-1]A green, brown, or gray mixture of dried, shredded leaves, stems, seeds, and flowers of the hemp plant. ("Cannabis" refers to marijuana and other drugs made from the same plant.)[/size]
    • [size=-1]Other forms, less common in the United States, are hashish and hashish oil.[/size]
    [size=-1]What are the methods of usage?[/size]
    • [size=-1]Marijuana is usually smoked as a cigarette (called a joint) or in a pipe or bong.[/size]
    [size=-1]What are some consequences of marijuana use?[/size]
    • [size=-1]May cause frequent respiratory infections, impaired memory and learning, increased heart rate, anxiety, panic attacks, tolerance, and physical dependence.2[/size]
    • [size=-1]Use of marijuana during the first month of breast-feeding can impair infant motor development.3[/size]
    • [size=-1]Chronic smokers may have many of the same respiratory problems as tobacco smokers including daily cough and phlegm, chronic bronchitis symptoms, frequent chest colds; chronic abuse can also lead to abnormal functioning of lung tissues.4[/size]
    • [size=-1]A study of college students has shown that skills related to attention, memory, and learning are impaired among people who use marijuana heavily, even after discontinuing its use for at least 24 hours.5[/size]
    [size=-1]Who uses marijuana?[/size]
    • [size=-1]Marijuana is the most commonly used illicit drug. [/size]
    • [size=-1]At least one-third of Americans have used marijuana sometime in their lives.6[/size]
    [size=-1]How does marijuana get to the United States?[/size]
    • [size=-1]Marijuana produced in Mexico and smuggled into the U.S. remains the most widely available. [/size]
    • [size=-1]High-potency marijuana also enters the U.S. drug market from Canada. [/size]
    • [size=-1]U.S. drug law enforcement reporting suggests increased availability of domestically grown marijuana.7[/size]
    • [size=-1]The availability of marijuana from Southeast Asia generally is limited to the West Coast. [/size]
    [size=-1]How much does marijuana cost?[/size]
    • [size=-1]Prices for commercial-grade marijuana have remained relatively stable over the past decade, ranging from approximately $400 to $1,000 per pound in U.S. Southwest border areas to between $700 to $2000 per pound in the Midwest and northeastern United States. [/size]
    • [size=-1]The national price range for sinsemilla, a higher quality marijuana usually grown domestically, is between $900 and $6,000 per pound.8 http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/marijuana_factsheet.html[/size]
     
  14. El Guzano

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    [size=+1]Marijuana Eradication[/size]


    [size=-1][​IMG][/size] [size=-1]Marijuana is the most widely used and readily available drug in the United States. It is the only major drug of abuse grown within United States borders. The DEA is aggressively striving to halt the spread of marijuana cultivation in the United States. To assist in accomplishing this, the DEA initiated the Domestic Cannabis Eradication/Suppression Program (DCE/SP), which is the only nationwide law enforcement program that exclusively targets marijuana. [/size]

    [size=-1]The DCE/SP began funding eradication programs in Hawaii and California in 1979. The program rapidly expanded to include programs in 25 states by 1982. By 1985, all 50 states were participating in the DCE/SP. In 2004, the DEA continued to improve the effectiveness of its marijuana eradication efforts, providing resources to support the 102 state and local law enforcement agencies that actively participate in the program. This assistance allows the enhancement of already aggressive eradication enforcement activities throughout the nation. In 2004, the DCE/SP was responsible for the eradication of 3,200,121cultivated outdoor marijuana plants, and 206,896 indoor plants. In addition, the DCE/SP has attributed for 8,043 arrests and the seizure in excess of 31.1 million dollars of cultivator assets. The program also removed over 3,758 weapons from marijuana cultivators. [/size][size=-1]The success of the DCE/SP is directly attributed to the decision of the participating agencies to share intelligence, technology and manpower. In many areas of the U.S., cultivators have been forced to abandon large outdoor marijuana plots in favor of smaller, better concealed illicit gardens. Additionally, cultivators have turned to sophisticated technology, cultivating marijuana plants indoors. The use of hydroponics (growing plants in a nutrient laden solution rather than conventional soil) and other technological advances have enabled cultivators to increase the potency of Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana plants. Despite cultivator efforts, the DEA and the cooperating DCE/SP agencies continue to identify and eliminate marijuana grow sites throughout the United States. [/size]
     
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    In addition, the DCE/SP has attributed for 8,043 arrests and the seizure in excess of 31.1 million dollars of cultivator assets "they even brag about how many millions of dollar they have rip off " houses,bissnes,boats,cars,trucks,motorcycle, anything that you happen to own!.
     
  16. SLOTH

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    Sloth Outta Here!
     
  17. El Guzano

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    This is were we are heading.
     
  18. El Guzano

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    On Aug. 22, 1992, on a remote ridge in northern Idaho, aweeklong standoff between white supremacist Randy Weaver andfederal agents ended in a shootout in which an FBI sniper shot andkilled Weaver's wife, Vicky. The Ruby Ridge confrontation began aweek earlier when federal marshals tried to arrest Weaver forfailing to appear in court on weapons charges. At that time, a gunbattle erupted between marshals and Weaver's 14-year-old son,resulting in the deaths of Weaver's son and a marshal.

    The incident led to one of the most intensive internalreviews of an FBI investigation ever. Attorney General Janet Renoestablished a Justice Department task force to investigate theevents at Ruby Ridge. The task force concluded in a 1994 reportthat the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team overreacted to the threat ofviolence and instituted a shoot-on-sight policy that violatedbureau guidelines and Fourth Amendment restrictions on policepower. The FBI disciplined 12 agents and employees, includingLarry Potts, then the head of its criminal division and now itsdeputy director, for their roles in the operation.

    The following document, which is contained in theattached files, is the full text of the task force's unreleased542-page report, which was obtained by LEXIS COUNSEL CONNECT.

    In the hard copy of this document, some material has beendeleted and marked by the word "Garrity," apparently referring toU.S. Supreme Court opinion Garrity v. New Jersey (1967). UnderGarrity, government employees must be granted immunity fromcriminal prosecution if they provide information during anadministrative investigation.
     
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    The issues addressed in this part of our inquiry concern the initial response to the crisis by law enforcement agencies directed by the FBI and the decisions made to resolve the crisis.

    During the early hours of the crisis, in addition to the movement of personnel and equipment, the primary concerns were to stabilize the situation and to gather intelligence. Throughout this early period, FBI officials were formulating a proposed plan of action -- also referred to as an "operation plan" or "operational plan" -- and specialized "Rules of Engagement" ("Rules").

    It has been alleged that during this initial period negotiations were ignored as a strategy and that only tactical responses were considered. Indeed, the FBI has been criticized for its failure to contact the occupants of the Weaver residence until Saturday evening, after the sniper shots had been fired and Vicki Weaver had been killed. We have been told by observers on the scene that law enforcement personnel made statements that the matter would be handled quickly and that the situation would be "taken down hard and fast." [FN528] Some individuals have contended that the helicopter flights over the Weaver compound were designed to lure the subjects out so that they could be targets for the snipers who were under orders to shoot and kill armed adult men.

    Furthermore, it has been alleged that the FBI's operations plan and Rules of Engagement were developed to eliminate witnesses to the shootout on August 21 in retaliation for the death of Deputy Marshal Degan. Of particular concern are the Rules of Engagement, which instructed the FBI Hostage Rescue Team ("HRT") sniper/observers that they "can and should" use deadly force against any armed adult male, even before a surrender announcement had been made to the subjects or notice given that law enforcement was present. The Rules have been interpreted as unlawful "orders to shoot" by their severest critics and as being inappropriate for the situation or being unartfully drafted by others. It has been charged that the Rules used at Ruby Ridge were orders to shoot, which violated federal and state law and the FBI's own standard policy on the use of deadly force.

    In this section we examine the factors considered in the formulation of the Rules and the reasonableness of some of these considerations, including the belief that the Weaver/Harris group was aware of law enforcement's presence and that every armed individual in the Weaver compound intended to cause bodily harm to law enforcement personnel. We also examine the intent of those who reviewed and approved the Rules and whether the Rules and the procedures used to develop and authorize their use conformed with FBI policy.

    Finally, we evaluate those who operated under the Rules of Engagement and the actions they took while at Ruby Ridge. This portion of the report examines the circumstances surrounding the two rifle shots fired by HRT member Lon Horiuchi on August 22, 1992 and whether the ensuing death and injuries were the result of lawful acts
     
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