Go China Go!! China will lead the world soon!

Discussion in 'China' started by barefooted_in_iowa, Apr 13, 2010.

  1. TheDayTripper

    TheDayTripper Member

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    when china (or any other country) starts getting ready to take the hegemony from America shits going to go down. i dont know if its going to be bad or good but something is going to happen... im not really looking foreword to that day.
     
  2. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    and of course, one completely insane person's views on the subject:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20018491-503544.html

    we all wish she wasn't privy to some of the classified information that she is privy to, and hopefully she will be privy to never again . . . :rolleyes:
     
  3. goodvibes83

    goodvibes83 Senior Member

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  4. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    and "the GREAT nation of China" [op] is predictably losing its mind

    free tibet, free east turkestan, free inner mongolia

    [fuck china]
     
  5. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    It is very easy to think that the rival or enemy of your enemy is your friend. I would encourage you to dig a little deeper into China's "investment" in Africa. China is the foremost sponsor of genocide, torture, and rape of Africans. I am surprised that no one has mentioned that China is the primary consumer of Sudanese oil, and that China has been illegally selling arms to the Sudan as it has been exterminating the population of Darfur. China has also repeatedly blocked UN humanitarian intervention. 500,000 Africans in Darfur have been exterminated by the Sudanese government with direct support by China. China is also one of primary sponsors of the brutal military dictatorship in Burma. According to Students for a Free Tibet, 1.2 million Tibetans have died as a result of China's occupation of Tibet. China is world's worst polluter. It is the foremost executioner of political prisoners. There is deep corruption and exploitation of its people by wealthy elites.

    I'll reference some articles and web sites here. I think the title of Eric Reeves article, “Partners in Genocide: A comprehensive guide to China's role in Darfur” says it all

    www.sudanreeves.org

    www.studentsforafreetibet.org

    www.hrichina.org

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    “Partners in Genocide: A comprehensive guide to China's role in Darfur”
    Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 12:59 PM
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    The New Republic on-line, December 19, 2007

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=1f4269dd-9d4f-4911-891f-57ae85d66b70

    by Eric Reeves

    Two weeks ago, Britain introduced a toughly worded Presidential Statement at the U.N. Security Council, demanding that Khartoum’s National Islamic Front regime turn over two génocidaires to the International Criminal Court. The first, Ahmed Haroun, who, in a grotesque bit of irony, now serves as Sudan’s minister of humanitarian affairs, is accused of having directly orchestrated many of the vicious crimes documented by the U.N. and independent human rights organizations in Darfur. Similarly, Ali Kushayb, a Janjaweed militia leader, is deeply implicated in the most egregious violations of international law--targeted ethnic slaughter and the use of rape as a weapon of war among them.

    The Presidential Statement should’ve easily passed: The evidence against both men is strong, and because of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1593, the ICC has jurisdiction over the matter. What ended up happening, though, was hardly a surprise to anyone who has watched Darfur closely over the last five years. China threatened to veto the non-binding declaration unless its language was essentially gutted, and rather than force the issue, Britain, France, and the U.S.--as well as the other Security Council members--quietly decided to drop the matter. As a result, not only will Haroun and Kushayb remain free, but the government in Khartoum will feel as if it can block the extradition of those subsequently accused by the Court. The ICC just lost its teeth.

    This under-reported development provides yet another example of China’s enabling role in the Darfur genocide. The crimes that China has abetted in Sudan are almost certainly too numerous to detail in any one place, but, here, for easy documentation, is a précis of how the country has come to have the blood of more than 400,000 Darfuris on its hands.

    •INVESTING IN OIL. First things first: We have to settle the question of why China has made itself such a willing accomplice. One needn’t go much further than the oil fields in the southern part of Sudan to find the answer. Over the last decade, with its economy booming and its need for cheap fossil fuels climbing at a fantastic clip, China has been Khartoum’s primary partner in oil development projects. Of the 500,000 barrels of oil Sudan produces every day, China imports roughly two thirds. That would translate into more than $7 billion a year in costs, if the oil were purchased on the open market. But because China dominates the two major oil production consortia in southern Sudan, Beijing’s petroleum bill was only slightly more than half that. It’s no wonder the Chinese have been so keen on funneling money--some $10 billion--into Sudanese oil infrastructure projects like pipeline construction, all-weather road building, and exploration rigs. Don’t expect the relationship to change any time soon either: China’s petroleum import bill has risen by more than 10% per year for more than a decade and shows no signs of slowing.

    • LUBRICATING A GENOCIDAL ECONOMY. In addition to its massive investment in oil development, Beijing has provided more than $6 billion dollars in other commercial and capital investments. Much of the money has been poured into huge dam projects, including the environmentally irresponsible Merowe and Kajbar dams in the northern reaches of the country. Civilian displacement and violent repression of protests in the Nubia region--a direct result of these dam projects--have done nothing to dissuade further investment.

    China has also put significant money into Khartoum’s rail line, port capacity, and the civilian road system that surrounds Khartoum. These investments, some apparently positive, have provided a critical financial bridge for an economy that is plagued by massive external debt--currently more than $25 billion, making Sudan’s economy, on a per capita basis, one of the most indebted in the world. In fact, it is misleading to speak of a “Sudanese economy”: foreign investment benefits almost exclusively Khartoum and its immediate environs. (The electricity generated by the dams mentioned above, for example, will only benefit only the areas in and around Khartoum.) The rest of Sudan, Africa’s largest country, sees almost nothing of this investment or the economic development that is so conspicuous in Khartoum itself. What’s more, the Sudanese companies that benefit most from Chinese investments are controlled, either directly or indirectly, by members of the National Islamic Front, further strengthening the regime’s stranglehold on Sudanese national wealth and power.

    •SUPPLYING WEAPONS. Since 1996, Beijing has been Khartoum’s primary supplier of weapons, military supplies, and weapons technology. Using Chinese-generated oil revenues (and anticipated oil revenues), Khartoum has purchased large quantities of military aircraft, heavy artillery, tanks, armored personnel carriers, and much else that fills the deadly arsenal destined for Darfur. China also helped to improve the regime’s production capacity, with the effect that Khartoum is now largely self-sufficient in building small- and medium-sized weapons.

    Both China and Russia were cited in a May 2007 Amnesty International report on Darfur that highlighted irresponsible weapons transfers. The group discovered that both countries had shipped air-to-ground fighter aircraft and helicopter gunships to Sudan, despite a U.N. weapons embargo. And a June 2007 Amnesty report on China’s international arms transfers, drawing on the work of the UN Panel of Experts on Darfur, highlighted the shipment to Khartoum of Dong Feng military trucks, the very sort implicated in some of the worst mass executions of ethnic African tribal groups in Darfur.

    When asked about these vast weapons shipments, China’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu replied, “In conducting arms sales to African, we carefully consider the local area’s situation and development model and stick to the spirit of protecting local peace and stability.” By “protecting local peace and stability,” she no doubt was referring to Darfur’s millions of displaced persons and hundreds of thousands of war dead.

    •FLEXING ITS DIPLOMATIC MUSCLE AT THE UN. For the past five years, China has played lead blocker for the National Islamic Front regime at the U.N. This semi-official blessing from a permanent member of the Security Council has allowed Khartoum to defy a host of U.N. demands and continue with its genocide. Take a look at this rundown of failed U.N. attempts at peace:

    •Resolution 1556 (July 2004) “demanded” that Khartoum disarm the deadly Janjaweed militia and bring its leaders to justice. China abstained on the resolution, and Khartoum subsequently ignored it, surmising correctly that the international community would have no stomach to back up this “demand” with threats or action.

    •Resolution 1591 (March 2005) imposed an arms embargo on Darfur. China abstained in the vote and Khartoum continues to bring huge quantities of weapons and military supplies into Darfur. China has also opposed any effort to sanction Khartoum for violating the U.N. resolution.

    •Resolution 1593 (March 2005) referred “crimes against humanity” reported by a U.N. panel to the International Criminal Court. China abstained, and Khartoum has subsequently shown nothing but contempt for the ICC.

    •Resolution 1706 (August 2006) authorized more than 20,000 U.N. peacekeepers and civilian police to protect civilians and humanitarian workers in Darfur. China abstained, and would have vetoed the measure had language not been inserted that “invited” the consent of the Khartoum regime. The National Islamic Front declined the “invitation” and refused to accept the U.N. peacekeeping force. China supported Khartoum’s defiance by declaring its belief in “non-interference” in the domestic matters of sovereign nations.

    •Resolution 1769 (July 2007) was a weakened substitute for 1706. The idea was to authorize a “hybrid” U.N./African Union force of some 26,000 troops and civilian police to protect civilians and humanitarians. China eventually voted for the resolution, but only after stripping it of a mandate to disarm combatants. China also refused to approve any sanctions measure in the inevitable event of Khartoum’s non-compliance with the terms of 1769.

    U.N. sources tell me that since the passage of Resolution 1769, China has become more, not less, supportive of Khartoum’s broad defiance of the international community. This stance has brought deployment of U.N.-authorized forces to a standstill, and continues to impede humanitarian aid delivery. Indeed, there is a real danger that the entire U.N./African Union mission will be aborted, precipitating a collapse in security throughout Darfur. As Jean-Marie Guéhenno, head of U.N. peacekeeping, recently asked, "Do we move ahead with the deployment of a force that will not make a difference, that will not have the capability to defend itself, and that carries the risk of humiliation of the Security Council and the United Nations, and tragic failure for the people of Darfur?"

    Once again, it appears as if China will have quietly strong-armed the U.N. into getting exactly what it wants.

    IT TAKES GREAT confidence to engage in long-term genocide before the world’s eyes. China--diplomatically, economically, militarily--has done much to provide Khartoum with that confidence. If the world community wants the genocide to end, the Chinese government must be made to understand that it will lose more by helping to perpetuate the horror in Darfur than it will gain by supporting Khartoum.
     
  6. liquidacrobat

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    How great - the Nobel Peace Prize winner is in prison for (I'm pretty sure on the length of sentence) 11 years for saying China should be a democracy. And news of his honor is totally censored in China. The OP is silly, but pretty good at keeping his thread alive.

    AND, some good information has appeared, e.g., e7m8's post.
     
  7. Nina86

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    China!!!! :D
    yay it rocks my socks :D
     
  8. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    I dont think the US is in a good position for criticizing China. The US start more agression wars against other countries than China and have more people in prison than China does.
     
  9. newbie-one

    newbie-one one with the newbiverse

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    look, there's plenty that's wrong with the US. This does not give the Chinese Government permission to commit genocide, oppress other countries, or engage in massive human rights violations against its own people.

    Evil people in both China and US have a strangle hold on policy. Bad actions by the US Government do not excuse violations by China. The people in both China and the US are victims of powerful, ruthless, wealthy elites.

    THE EVIL CHINESE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T GET A FREE PASS TO COMMIT GENOCIDE!!!
     
  10. midgardsun

    midgardsun Senior Member

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    Just to complete:

    THE EVIL US GOUVERNEMENT DOESN`T GET A FREE PASS TO START MORE AGRESSION WARS AGAINST OTHER COUNTRIES.

    btw: our German gvt is just as evil only the crimes are committed indirectly in other countries, mostly. But millions of unemployed, victims of the banksters, many of them committing suicide, is also a form of genozide.
     
  11. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    fine, but this is a thread about china

    if you'd like to start an anti-american thread, please feel free to do so - you'll find there's lots of competition

    but, as sad as unemployed persons committing suicide is, it is hardly the genocide we all think about when thinking about germany . . .
     
  12. midgardsun

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    Sorry about this- yes the german genozide of the 1930-1940`s is best known as well as its agression wars at the time but now we are catching up, making war in other countries again.

    Can somebody post some material on recent Chinese genozide?

    I only find this

    chinese genocide
    http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Ade%3Aofficial&q=china+genocide&btnG=Suche&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
    well known for Maos crimes and Tibet

    US genocide
    http://www.google.de/search?q=us+ge...&rls=org.mozilla:de:official&client=firefox-a
    well known from the genozide of the american Indians over the Hiroshima/Nagasaki atomic bombs, agent orange in Vietnam to Iraq these days

     
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    midgardsun Senior Member

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  16. wa bluska wica

    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/23/world/asia/23china.html?src=twrhp
     
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    RooRshack On Sabbatical

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    drew5147 Dingledodie

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    wa bluska wica Pedestrian

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    power sucks
     

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