Free Tibet - Boycott China Olympics!

Discussion in 'China' started by skip, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. skip

    skip Founder Administrator

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    The violent suppression of peaceful protests in Lhasa, the capital of Tibet, must end. The Chinese government must recognize the independence of the Tibetan people and stop the 50 years of oppression of Tibet, it's people, culture and religion.

    China should NOT be allowed to hold its Olympics under these circumstances. China's response to the protests in Tibet mirrors the deadly repression of protest in Burma and their own unforgivable actions in Tienamen Square during the student protests there that killed so many.

    China has long supressed freedoms in their country, including free speech, freedom of religion and other human rights violations are common.

    We cannot allow the Olympic Games to go forward with the world ignoring the situation in Tibet and the silencing of dissent throughout China.

    Richard Gere, a Tibet Freedom activist is also calling for a boycott of the Games if the Chinese continue to repress the protests.

    This may be the ONLY chance the Tibetan people have to bring the world's attention to their plight.

    It's about a LOT more than a few hundred athletes. It's about millions of people living under a dictatorship. It's about a unique, vibrant culture that has nearly disappeared.

    Richard Gere says the Chinese have misread and acted inappropriately to the Tibet situation for the past 50 years. Instead of engaging with the Tibetan people to discuss autonomy, they have violently supressed all attempts by the Tibetan people to retain their identity and culture.

    And in the meatime the Chinese gov't has RAPED Tibet destroying its native forests and ecology for the sake of profit.

    Now is the time to stand up to China, before it's too late for Tibet and the world, because soon China will be the biggest economic power on the planet, and how they yield that power will affect everyone!

    FREE TIBET NOW!
     
  2. N2h

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    what a load of bull!!!!

    Do you know what the damn rioters have done during the Tibet riots??? They burned five young waitresses alive in a restaurant. They snatched a young Chinese boy from his father, put him on the ground and then stomped on his chest and abdomen. An ethnic Tibetan doctor who tried to save the Chinese boy’s life was beaten by Dalai Lama’s insurgents. The Tibetan doctor is hospitalized in Lhasa, the Tibetan capital. The kid couldn’t make it. How about the infant who was burned alive in her parents’ apartment set on fire by the separatists!!!!!


     
  3. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    I agree Skip, we should boycott the China Olympics. However, I think we should take it a step further and boycott Chinese products as well. I realize that may seem difficult in 21st century America, where most of our retail products seem to come from China, but there are many other nations importing products to the United States and other industrial nations. There are alos alot of products still being manufactured in the U.S. so not buying Chinese is really a lot simpler than it may appear at first glance.

    Just pay attention to the country of origin on your product labels and avoid those products made in China.
     
  4. recklessrick

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    If you support the Dalhi Lama you support Terrorism, just the thing Europe and the U.S. are against, the Middle Eastern people have always stated that these people in Eu. U.S are the true terrorists I feel sometimes, they are right.
     
  5. woodsman

    woodsman Senior Member

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    The Dalhi Lama is a man of peace, he has never advocated terrorism.
     
  6. recklessrick

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    Peace my ass,, if China were to leave Tibet the Americans would go in there and put up missile bases and point their shit at me. the lama dude has been living on 5th ave. in New York all this time banging underage chicks flown over especially for him, his neighbour is Emelda Marcos another exile on main st.When China was fragmented by strife the British came in and controlled Tibet.It had some thing to do with the British and the Opium trade to keep the Chinese hooked and under control,so they could rip the place off. Thats the purpose drugs have in life is to control the population.
     
  7. skip

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    Yup the Chinese propagandists are working overtime these days on damage control thanks to the Chinese gov't's heavy handed, VIOLENT response to PEACEFUL protests in Lhasa. My understanding is that undercover Chinese agents started all the violence, just like the POLICE do in America to discredit peaceful movements for change.
     
  8. McLeodGanja

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    Why don't the Tibetan athletes who have refused to take part, instead take part, but use it as an opportunity to stage a protest. Think about it, the world would be watching as one of them taking part in some event suddenly falls to ground and douses himself in fake blood. Might only get one protest, but it'd be a good one! My guess is the chinese are probably not going to allow Tibet to take part, and that is the real reason they are not taking part. Mind if I double post this into the other Free Tibet thread Skip? I think it is a great idea.
     
  9. recklessrick

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    Come here,, i will defend myself and family from you.Thats my right ......terrorists.
     
  10. McLeodGanja

    McLeodGanja Banned

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    What are you talking about? Have you finished editing your post.
     
  11. chinaraymond

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    skip and woodsman, i think you two are wrong
    i am a Chinese.and i am living close to Tibet
    do you know what Dalhi Lama did in Tibet?
    They destoryed a lot of houses
    they burned four young girls,they all died in the fire
    they did many shit things
    it is a peaceful world,there shouldn't be so many voliences,they are against the human being
    i am very angry about some people who dont know the truth but comment a lot
    they think they know the situation in Tibet,but actually do you went there?do you saw thoes things by yourself?
    so please do not comment about this without any evidence

    then about Olympic Games,it cannot be added political ideas
    i think some coutries are afraid China,because China is becoming more and more stonger,so they did many things to affect our country
    ...
     
  12. McLeodGanja

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    OK so why doesn't China recommend that the Dalia Lama is tried for crimes against humanity? Could it be perhaps that they are themselves one of the worst abusers of human rights in the world today?

    I know of few Chinese people who speak highly of his holiness, do you know why that is? Could it be for the same reason that China is not broadcasting any news articles about the protests?

    It's called brainwashing.

    I find it curious how when people try to defend china, it is all about the Dalai Lama. What about the Tibetan people, doesn't what they want matter?
     
  13. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

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    ^Agreed, also have you noticed how every person that turns up defending china seems to use the exact same arguments, with no links to evidence?
     
  14. chinaraymond

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    I know of few Chinese people who speak highly of his holiness, do you know why that is?
    Communism is the biggest Belief in China,ok?

    Could it be perhaps that they are themselves one of the worst abusers of human rights in the world today?
    human rights?
    ok,when you talk about human rights,why you not think about there are 13 billion chinese people's human rights.i mean why some other countries always talk about the human rights about my country?actually in China,most people are confiedend with our govenment.we also are enjoying or will enjoy a better social environment.so we Chinese doesn't talk about human rights,why you?
    we believe our govrnment.
    when you comment without any true words,that is also a harm to chinese people,it is also offend the 1300000000 chinese people's human rights.do you know?

    What about the Tibetan people, doesn't what they want matter?[/
    you know,Tibet peopel lived a in a Slavery socialism.but now we Chinese people all together are trying to build a more beatiuful ,more Harmony society.
    but why this year,some people even some coutries are tried to make troubles for China?
    mostly because they are afraid China is becoming more and more stronger which is actually a good news.because this means 1300000000 people will enjoy a better life a Harmony society.so why some people who seems to support human rights are rejecting our coutry?is that a offendness to 1300000000 people's human rights?
    so when you talk about some China's situation,please think about more before you make any decision .
     
  15. McLeodGanja

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    http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA17/037/2007/en/dom-ASA170372007en.html

    China: Olympics countdown - human rights abuses risk blighting Olympics legacy
    As the one year countdown begins, time is running out for the Chinese government to fulfil its promise of promoting human rights as part of the Olympics legacy, Amnesty International's Secretary General Irene Khan said today.

    "Unless the Chinese authorities take urgent measures to stop human rights violations over the coming year, they risk tarnishing the image of China and the legacy of the Beijing Olympics," Irene Khan said.

    In its latest assessment of China's progress towards its promised human rights improvements ahead of the 2008 Beijing Olympics, Amnesty International finds that several Beijing-based activists continue to face 'house arrest' and tight police surveillance, while activists in other parts of China are facing heightened patterns of abuse as attention is focused on Beijing in the run-up to the Olympics. The report also highlights an ongoing crackdown on journalists, which has most recently extended to the closure of certain publications on Chinese civil society and development.

    "The crackdown on human rights defenders and domestic media continues to overshadow more positive reforms with regard to the death penalty and foreign media coverage in China. Not only are we not seeing delivery on the promises made that the Olympics would help improve the human rights situation in China, but the police are using the pretext of the Olympics to extend the use of detention without trial."

    The report also highlighted the continued use of detention without trial as part of Beijing's "clean up" operations of the city ahead of the 2008 Games, despite the fact that substantial reform or abolition of methods of arbitrary detention including "Re-education through Labour" has been on China's reform agenda for many years.

    In its report, Amnesty International welcomed recent statements by Supreme Court officials expressing the need for greater transparency on the death penalty and unified criteria for imposing death sentences. However, the organization urged the authorities to broaden this approach by increasing access to information on individuals facing the death penalty, particularly for lawyers and members of their families, and by publishing full national statistics on death sentences and executions.

    "The application of the death penalty in China -- the world's top executioner -- remains shrouded in secrecy," Irene Khan said.

    "Full transparency is essential to help prevent miscarriages of justice and provide the Chinese public with sufficient information to reach informed conclusions on the death penalty. Nothing short of publishing full national statistics on the application of the death penalty in China will suffice," Irene Khan said.

    Amnesty International's report, China: The Olympics countdown - one year left to fulfil human rights promises, focuses on four key areas of human rights relating to the Olympics: death penalty, detention without trial, human rights activists and media freedom.

    Key findings in the latest assessment are as follows:

    Death penalty
    Continued use of death sentences and executions for non-violent crimes and ongoing failure to disclose national death penalty statistics, despite official assertions that use of the death penalty has declined by 10 per cent following the restoration of Supreme Court review on 1 January 2007;
    Evidence that official commitments to introduce greater transparency in courts at all levels may not be being implemented and the continued denial of access for the families and lawyers to those sentenced to death as well as information on their situation;
    Recent official confirmation that the imposition of the death penalty is often arbitrary with courts applying different criteria in different parts of the country;
    Detention without trial
    Increased use of detention without trial to "clean up" Beijing ahead of the games, including "Enforced Drug Rehabilitation" and the extension of categories of petty crime for which "Re-education through Labour" is applied;
    Human rights activists
    Intensification of abuse against human rights activists in other parts of China, including the death of award-winning housing rights activist Chen Xiaoming in Shanghai on 1 July, shortly after his release from prison on medical parole; reports indicate that he was tortured in detention;
    The targeting of lawyers and legal advisors working on behalf of victims of human rights violations, including the reported beating of imprisoned blind legal advisor Chen Guangcheng by fellow inmates on the orders of prison guards on 16 June. Chen was imprisoned in Shandong province after he tried to bring local authorities to book for allegedly forcing local women to undergo forced abortions and sterilization in pursuit of birth quotas;
    The targeting of activists who try to draw attention to those evicted from their homes as a result of Olympics-related construction projects, including the ongoing imprisonment of Ye Guozhu, who was reportedly beaten with electro-shock batons at the end of last year;
    Media freedom
    A continued crackdown on domestic journalism including the continued imprisonment of journalists and writers, forced dismissal of media staff and the closure of publications;
    Pervasive internet censorship involving the closure of websites and recent attempts in one city, Xiamen, to silence protests with new regulations to force Internet users to register under their real names.

    Amnesty International has sent copies of its latest update to the Chinese authorities and the International Olympic Committee (IOC), noting that these issues are directly relevant to Beijing’s hosting of the Olympics and core principles in the Olympic Charter.

    "The ongoing serious human rights violations in China constitute an affront to core principles in the Olympic Charter relating to the ‘preservation of human dignity’ and ‘respect for universal fundamental ethical principles’. The IOC must promote a positive legacy of the Olympics built on respect for human rights and rule of law," Irene Khan said.

    "With just one year to go, time is running out before the Beijing Olympic Games are irreversibly tarnished by the China's lack of respect for human rights. The Chinese authorities must press ahead with their promises to improve human rights so that when August 2008 arrives the Chinese people can be proud in every respect of what their country has to offer the world."

    Note to editors
    After the embargo, a copy of the report China: The Olympics countdown - one year left to fulfil human rights promises will be available at www.amnesty.org
     
  16. McLeodGanja

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    http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/asset/ASA17/057/2008/en/ASA170572008en.html

    DOCUMENT - CHINA: FEAR OF TORTURE AND OTHER ILL-TREATMENT

    PUBLIC AI Index: ASA 17/057/2008
    18 March 2008

    UA 76/08 Fear of torture and other ill-treatment
    CHINA Samten (m), aged 17, Lungkar Monastery, Qinghai Province
    Trulku Tenpa Rigsang, (m), aged 26, Lungkar Monastery, Qinghai Province
    Gelek Pel (m) aged 32 Lungkar Monastery, Qinghai Province
    Lobsang (m) aged 15, Onpo Monastery, Sichuan Province
    Lobsang Thukjey (m), aged 19 Onpo Monastery, Sichuan Province
    Tsultrim Palden (m), aged 20 Onpo Monastery, Sichuan Province
    Lobsher (m), aged 20 Onpo Monastery, Sichuan Province
    Phurden, (m), aged 22 Onpo Monastery, Sichuan Province
    Thupdon (m), aged 24 Onpo Monastery, Sichuan Province
    Lobsang Ngodup (m), aged 29 Onpo Monastery, Sichuan Province
    Lodoe (m), aged 30 Onpo Monastery, Sichuan Province
    Thupwang (m), aged 30, Darthang Monastery
    Pema Garwang (m), aged 30, Darthang Monastery
    Tsegyam (m), aged 22, Kashi Monastery
    Soepa (m), aged 30, Mangye Monastery


    According to information published by the Tibetan Centre on Human Rights and Democracy (TCHRD), 15 Tibetan monks were detained on 10 March for staging a peaceful demonstration in Barkhor, Lhasa, the capital of Tibetan Autonomous Region. There is no information of their current whereabouts or of any charges brought against them. They are at high risk of torture and other ill-treatment.

    On Monday 10 March hundreds of monks began a march from Drepung Monastery towards Barkhor. Another group, which included the 15 monks now in detention, began their march from Sera Monastery, but were soon detained. The monks had been demanding that the government ease a “patriotic re-education” campaign which forces them to denounce the Dalai Lama and subjects them to government propaganda.
     
  17. chinaraymond

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    i think it is so funny ,a few so-called human rights countries tell so many lies to their people.
    i feel really Disappointed.
    i think time will tell .thoes anti human beings will fail some day
    and also those who want to make trouble and damage to our coutry will fail some day too.

    but there are still so many coutries around the world support our country,support Olympic Games.so i think time will tell the truth.
     
  18. Finnaz

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    Think of it this way Mr. Raymond, if China has such an amazing human rights record, why does it feel the need to blackout any mention of Tibet or Tiannamen Square when they crop up on foreign news. Or was Tiannemen square part of the Dalai Lama's evil schemes too?
     
  19. McLeodGanja

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    Amnesty International isn't a country, it is an independant human rights organisation that has no connections whatsoever, nor receives any donations from, any government, anywhere in the world.
     
  20. McLeodGanja

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    Taken from a more reliable source than Amnesy International, and based solely upon peoples opinion again without any further links, was it?

    It's better than nothing I guess. A quote i found from a Tibetan poster.

    "I want to ask you: Seruo, who installed your electrical light in your home? Who installed your “wok cover” (satellite receiver)? Who built the the hospital in our village? Where the doctors come from? Who spent money to build the road? Who laid the telephone line for us? "

    Did any of us need modern technology before it was invented?

    For sure we are now preempting our reliance on it, having had a taste for it now. It's like a drug.

    Raymond I understand that you feel the need tro defend your country, as anyone would, but it is not the Chinese people who are under attack here from the media, it is Chinese corruption and imperialism. We also want the people of China to be free from this, the falun gong movement, the poor Chinese villagers who are being forced from their homes because the government wants to build upon their land.

    At the bottom of all arguments though is this. Tibet is a very special place, the people there are simple people, who want to lead spiritual lives. They donot want a McDonalds fast food bar, they want to live off their land and rejoice in the spiritual union of nature.

    Sure, they look kinda Chinese, but then so do Japanese people, Taiwanese people, Vietnamese people, Indonesian people.... They also look a little bit Nepalese. The indian people from the Darjeeling region in India look a little bit Chinese as well.

    I am Scottish though, and 100% caucasian. I find somewhat that Chinese people look a lot the same. I find similarities in Indian people, African people. Not being akin to their genetic make-up I find it harder to identify differences across their demographic and cultural spectrum. I do, however, find it quite easy to tell the difference between Tibetan people and Chinese people. I am not saying all of them, but in general.

    The biggest similarity between Tibetans and Cinese is that they both claim the right for their own government to rule Tibet, only the starkest contrast in identity between them is that the Tibetan people have lived there a lot fucking longer than the Chinese, and that alone gives them the right to choose what they want.
     

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