Down in a hole

Tony Nice definition.
But only to those who have any idea what 'thermal radiation and synchrotron radiation.'
"radiation pressure from the nuclear reactions at its core"
"no two fermions, in this case electrons can occupy the same quantum state"
"If the star is too dense to be held at this level then there is no more know source for force to prevent the collapse. The star just becomes denser and denser with nothing to arrest the collapse, this is a black hole"

Means conceptually.. For these things EXIST.
Without CONCEPT.. They are but words.. And words mean little.

Also
"General relativity sees space-time as a smooth manifold within which particles move with some trajectory through this manifold."

Agree
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Quantum filed theory sees space as consisting as an infinite number of discrete harmonic oscillators.


Disagree
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Quantum thereory does not know what space is.. we still cannot grasp time dilation.[care of a einstein.]
Explain to me why V makes T a variable? [descrete harmonic oscillators .......????
LOL Albert would chuckle at that one. ]
Harmonics is 'many inputs intermeshing.'..
We speak of ONE.. V=~T
I believe the BASE laws have NO harmonics. They are rude precise and direct..
Thus you get neutron stars and singularities..
Supergiants and brown dwarves..
Not 'gouda cheese' stars. in this realm of 'evolution' there
is one enviroment and NO competitors]


Occam

 

Sorry I will try to explain my terms.
'thermal radiation and synchrotron radiation.' - Two ways something can emit radiation. Thermal radiation is emitted by warm bodies, the red glow from a hot metal for example, not sure how much of this there would be as atoms probably get broken up fairly quickly. Synchroton radiation is radiaiton emitted by an accelerating charged particle.

"radiation pressure from the nuclear reactions at its core" - Radiation as in EM radiation does exert a pressure, not much but there is some. It would take a pretty bright source to send u flying across the room but then the sun is a pretty bright source. You can use lasers to move light particles.

"no two fermions, in this case electrons can occupy the same quantum state" - This is a bit tricky. Quantum physics allows only certain values for physical quantities such as energy, momentum, spin etc. These values are the quantum numbers for a particle. No two fermions can have the same set of numbers. This is where energy levels in atoms come from. If fermions could have the same value then any number of electrons could pile into the lowest energy state.

"If the star is too dense to be held at this level then there is no more know source for force to prevent the collapse. The star just becomes denser and denser with nothing to arrest the collapse, this is a black hole" - this is simply a point of forces, if there is nothing to stop teh collapse it willjust keep collapsing and getting smaller and denser.

 

Yeah haven't been to this thread in a week or so, finals have a way of doing that. Though on my astrophysics exam, two of the twenty questions were concerning good ole singularities. Two hours and forty-five minutes on twenty questions.

A longer reply will likely be in my future, but not at the present, as I'm working at a security desk right now.

 

..and I don't know if I can be saved

 

Tony.. i knew this, sorry.. i worded wrong
I was speaking for those that did not... fool me..lol

It may help others tho...

Also i noted in your post. Not a word about special relativity or dilation.
Ah well, christmas comes but once a year.

Occam

 

Hearts
The New Uni Has it easy..[20 questions.. you lucky bastard]

Hey i spent 2.5 hours and 20 foolscap on " history of Ruso/German War."
And didnt even get a free keyring for my effort.
Came second in contemp history in 1978 on that one. [in world]

Just ask me about Guderian...lol.. can talk for days.

Occam

 

What specifically did i not mention about time dilation? The concept is well integrated into Physics and its philosophy has been considered for a century, mathematically its very simple stuff. It still captures the imagination though because its so counter intuitive. Special relativity was integrated into quantum mechanics in the early part of the 20th Century in the form of the Dirac and Klein-Gordon equation. This only provides a form for the wavefunction of the particle itself, so says nothing about the field. This resulted in a umber of smei-classical theories. Quantum field theory attempts the quantise the fields as well by thinking of fields as the exchanging of particles. I didn't attempt to make a post because the maths id very involved and very far removed from classical thought making analogy difficult. The wikepedia page explains it better than I can in words. But the quantum harmonic oscillator is the start point for the theory

 

Tony

Anything.

It is on paper. In human minds it IS FAR FROM INTERGRATED.
And.. It has been considered by FEW.
You talk about it as if it was thermodynamics.
Yet you "KNOW' it is beyond the concept of most minds.
What "IS" '1 sec per sec' and how is it a variable.
Statistically i can accurately presume that if i speak to 1000 random persons.
5 will understand the term 'time dilation in special relativity'
One,, will be able to talk about it without eating own foot.

A poor showing considering the money spent on 'education'

See following post.

I realise i'm not 'saying anything' about 'down in a hole'
But step one really should be to get more people involved in
phenomena such as singularities and dilation..
More perspectives gives depth.

Occam

PS.. And note.. I speciffically targeted 'quantum harmonic oscillator'
as a epistemological presumption.
As spock would say.. 'insufficient data.'

 

3 POVS

Subjective 1
Subjective 2
Objective..

When a 'ship' containing 'Subjective 1' passes subjective 2 at 99.888 lightspeed,

Describe perspectives relative to eacthother.
In Newtonian reality this would be no effort.
Special relativity and dilation... makes us REALLY USE
that good old neocortex.
None of the following can be explained in math by or to anyone.
I try to say it so it can be understood.
By anyone. We are all people. We are all the same.
ALL, can understand.

This, tony.. is what undoes the 'pretentious'.
And initially you say .X.. [description. easy enough]
But on 'ship'
S.O.L is not constant to subjective 2
'But Speed Of Light' is constant to all viewers.
But If SOL IS constant to all viewers it is not between perspective 1 and perspective 2.
Otherwise people in perspective 1 could not see or be [being dialated out of frequence of light and physical normality related to perspective 2]
Time dilation.
1 sec per sec is not same.
If those on ship CAN 'percieve'.
Then sol is maintained in their realm. [Or they are in stasis.. ]
But IS NOT same as SOL to perspective 2 which has different dilation.
Thus...SOL is fuction of duration.
And not constant to objective pov. Only to observers within realm. who are 'victims' of dilation
Dilation modifies duration to suit.
SOL. It IS the same to all viewers. But all viewers are not the same.They are isolated. and this is how sol is maintained.. isolation
In time dilation ALL is dilated ,, all physical laws.
otherwise phisicallity could not be maintained between Perspectie 1 and 2.

The speed of light IS a constant.
Yet dilation says all viewers are not constant. They are in isolated realms.
Funny that a ,constant within a 'realm.' is modifiable by changing
the status of the realm. Subjective 1 in realm 1 is existing by a set of laws that have only in name and effect. Any relation to subjective 2 in realm 2.
If a glass falls to the floor in 1, it falls ~100 faster in 2.
[ to objective observer]

Our path to the stars.. . Who can deny a designer?

Thus the SOL is modified in the reality that is modified to make
perspective 2. Upslpope from perspevtive 1.
[up the curve of spac/time/velocity]
Compatible.

Occam

Opinion from 'objective'
Not aimed at you tony.. But at......

PPS And this is Level 1. [the above is obvious]
Level 2 Translates out of the 'set of rules' this facet functions by.
Into true science/philosophy.

THE Inteface

PS.. I wrote the above after a bottle of JD.. LOL